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Annual humidity swings

  • 1.  Annual humidity swings

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 08-27-2014 16:38
    Thought I'd test out the new email version, with images in the message. This is a chart I finally put together from data I have been collecting for years. To make it more useful, I made an average of all my readings for each month, and also entered a high and a low reading. It gives a nice graphic picture of the situation. Four more years to go to get up to date, and they are severe drought years, so those green lines will be even lower.

    Regards,
    Fred Sturm
    "A mind is not a vessel to be filled, but a fire to be kindled." Plutarch






  • 2.  RE: Annual humidity swings

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 08-27-2014 16:46
    Looks like the image appeared in the body of the email I got, but not on the web page. I'll attach the same image to this email.
    Fred Sturm
    "When I smell a flower, I don't think about how it was cultivated. I like to listen to music the same way." Mompou




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  • 3.  RE: Annual humidity swings

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 08-27-2014 16:50
    Well, that was interesting. I am using Mail on a Mac running Mavericks. The attached file appears in the body both in the email and on the web version. The formatting is my fault (the cursor was in the spot the image is, when I clicked on "attach file").

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    Fred Sturm
    University of New Mexico
    http://fredsturm.net
    "When I smell a flower, I don't think about how it was cultivated. I like to listen to music the same way." -Federico Mompou
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  • 4.  RE: Annual humidity swings

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 08-27-2014 16:53
    I saw the image in both emails...

    Kent





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  • 5.  RE: Annual humidity swings

    Posted 08-27-2014 17:00
    Is everyone able to see the picture via the site?  

    Thanks

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    Clint Sears
    Piano Technicians Guild
    Kansas City KS
    913-432-9975
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  • 6.  RE: Annual humidity swings

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 08-27-2014 17:12

    On Wednesday, August 27, 2014 04:00:24 PM Clint Sears wrote:

    > Is everyone able to see the picture via the site?


    Nope.


    FWIW, I checked it on my Linux machines in both Kmail and Thunderbird and also on Outlook. I also opened all Fred's messages in Outlook on a Windows 7 machine.

    In every case, I got this memo:

    "[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]"



    --

    Regards,


    Alan B. Crane, RPT

    School of Music

    Wichita State University

    alan.crane@wichita.edu




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  • 7.  RE:Annual humidity swings

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 08-27-2014 17:34
    Saw the second post graph on my Note3 but not the 1st post.

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    Larry Messerly, RPT
    Bringing Harmony to Homes
    www.prescottpiano.com
    larry@prescottpiano.com
    928-445-3888
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  • 8.  RE: Annual humidity swings

    Posted 08-27-2014 17:40
    Larry is using Chrome then.... I can see it in safari but we also could not see it in Firefox.  A quick and unscientific search has led me to believe that the first image, which you can see and save is a jpg image because thats what it was converted to by the system when Fred cut and pasted into the email... the second image we are having trouble seeing is still in its TIFF format which is why some browsers are not displaying it correctly/right away.  So... thats one thing that might explain the discrepancy.  Apparently we need to be cautious of TIFF attachments.

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    Clint Sears
    Piano Technicians Guild
    Kansas City KS
    913-432-9975
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  • 9.  RE: Annual humidity swings

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 08-27-2014 17:49
    I'm also using a fairly new Mac with Maverick. I'm seeing nothing--same on both e-mails. Just FYI. I've been seeing all the attachments just fine.
    Kevin


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    Kevin Fortenberry
    Registered Piano Technician
    Lubbock TX
    806-778-3962
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  • 10.  RE: Annual humidity swings

    Posted 08-27-2014 17:52

    Sorry Kevin, are seeing the pictures/attachments or seeing nothing? I maybe making it too convoluted.  I think you are saying its working right? Thanks.

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    Clint Sears
    Piano Technicians Guild
    Kansas City KS
    913-432-9975
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  • 11.  RE: Annual humidity swings

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 08-27-2014 17:59
    No on Fred's first try I saw Fred's comments, but then just a very large empty box-nothing at all inside.
    On his second try, it was the same except I had TWO large empty boxes, and his comments above and below it.
    Now let me make sure I understand something- I've been seeing all attachments by just clicking or double-clicking on the e-mails I receive.  Should we be expected to see something like this only by going "online"??
    Just wanting to make sure.
    Kevin



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  • 12.  RE: Annual humidity swings

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 08-27-2014 18:01
    I pasted in a jpg file, on my original message. When I right-clicked in Chrome, it downloaded a tif file. So I guess the higher logic system converts jpg to tif.

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    Fred Sturm
    University of New Mexico
    http://fredsturm.net
    "When I smell a flower, I don't think about how it was cultivated. I like to listen to music the same way." -Federico Mompou
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  • 13.  RE: Annual humidity swings

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 08-27-2014 18:30
    Fred, I think I just answered my own question. I clicked on reply to discussion and your excellent graph appeared. VERY impressive. Unfortunately for you, it's almost a perfect "zero to 60 in 6 months flat!"  Excuse the pun on "flat"--that would be in the middle of winter/60 to zero. Ha ha.
    Kevin

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    Kevin Fortenberry
    Registered Piano Technician
    Lubbock TX
    806-778-3962
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  • 14.  RE: Annual humidity swings

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 08-27-2014 22:46
    Kevin: "Unfortunately for you, it's almost a perfect "zero to 60 in 6 months flat!" 

    Yes, and the graphic really brings that out. I knew the facts, but they are even starker when you see the regularity of the curves. The really frustrating thing is that the big, very rapid rise happens starting 6 weeks before fall semester begins. I have over 90 instruments, so I really have to start at least four weeks ahead to have everything usable for the start of semester. 

    And that means that the pianos I tune first are still rising. I've been retuning them the last two weeks, about 5-10¢ sharp. Not so bad, a lot easier than the big pitch lowering push. A month and a half and I'll be pulling up pitch again. And the pattern repeats again, 28 times and counting.

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    Fred Sturm
    University of New Mexico
    http://fredsturm.net
    "When I smell a flower, I don't think about how it was cultivated. I like to listen to music the same way." -Federico Mompou
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  • 15.  RE: Annual humidity swings

    Posted 08-28-2014 17:00

    Fred, what about this?

    https://discussions.apple.com/thread/4883983?tstart=0

    Can you go back to your original SENT email that went into the system and see if the file is a TIFF there? Thanks.
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    Clint Sears
    Piano Technicians Guild
    Kansas City KS
    913-432-9975
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  • 16.  RE: Annual humidity swings

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 08-28-2014 21:08
    Yep, I guess Apple decided to convert the file from jpg to tif, so what I sent to MyPTG was a tif file. Still, I'd think higher logic could handle tif and display it.

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    Fred Sturm
    University of New Mexico
    http://fredsturm.net
    "When I smell a flower, I don't think about how it was cultivated. I like to listen to music the same way." -Federico Mompou
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  • 17.  RE: Annual humidity swings

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 08-27-2014 17:12
    In my Zimbra email reader, I get no inline images, and no link to a file on my.ptg.org. at the bottom of the page.
    I'm PC based with XP. Set to plain text messages on my.ptg.org.
    Paul mcCloud


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  • 18.  RE: Annual humidity swings

    Posted 08-27-2014 17:13
    Paul, can you change your settings to anything other than just text and see what you get in the future? Text will deliver just that, only text.  Thanks.

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    Clint Sears
    Piano Technicians Guild
    Kansas City KS
    913-432-9975
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  • 19.  RE: Annual humidity swings

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 08-27-2014 17:16
    ok, will give it a try..
    Paul


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  • 20.  RE: Annual humidity swings

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 08-28-2014 12:40
    In the daily digest in Outlook 2013 the picture(s) came through fine. The messages seem to look the way they've been composed. BTW, I am replying on the site now.

    If there's something to be criticized from my perspective (you couldn't wait), it's that the HTML is sometimes too wide and requires scrolling horizontally to see all of the text in each row. I see that the digest uses the <table> tag with width="100%" and floating column widths, which explains why a wide embedded image will push the column with action links to the right. Today, in several digests, I've had to scroll far right to catch the entire text on each line. This gets tedious and discourages reading. Now that people are even more encouraged to embed images within the body, which I personally think is a mistake because it adds weight and throws formatting off, this behavior is only going to get more frequent. It would be nice to have this fixed.

    If I were designing the HTML, I would look at putting the content of the action column on the top of each message, scrunched as small as I could get away with. But I would avoid the right column. I would probably use <div>s with CSS instead of a table for greater word-wrap flexibility or would set the table and main column to absolute widths. Not sure how much control you have over the HTML formatting, but thought I'd tell you about this.

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    Mario Igrec
    http://www.pianosinsideout.com
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  • 21.  RE: Annual humidity swings

    Posted 08-28-2014 12:55

    Thanks Mario, 

    It is a problem but fortunately I believe it is a temporary problem as we will be moving to a bootstrap design across the board next month.

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    Clint Sears
    Piano Technicians Guild
    Kansas City KS
    913-432-9975
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  • 22.  RE: Annual humidity swings

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 08-28-2014 08:52
    I'm using a 2008 iMac with Mavericks, and all the images came through fine in Mac Mail. I get the digest.

    Fred, I just grabbed a photo of that graph from your office door! It's really worth a thousand words... but they still haven't changed the HVAC, right?

    Now for fun, see if my attached JPEG logo makes it through via my email reply...

    --Cy--

    P.S. Send your ideas for PTG Denver 2015 to class-ideas@ptg.org ! We're picking classes a month from now.

    Cy Shuster, RPT
    Shuster Piano Service
    Albuquerque, NM 
    505-265-4234

    Registered Piano Technician
    Dampp-Chaser Certified Installer
    PianoDisc Certified Service Technician

    [Non-text portion of this message removed]





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  • 23.  RE: Annual humidity swings

    Posted 08-28-2014 09:09
    The system is set up to not accept images under a certain size so that we don't get cluttered with everyone's personal logos.

    I am still looking into the other thing. Thanks.

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    Clint Sears
    Piano Technicians Guild
    Kansas City KS
    913-432-9975
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  • 24.  RE: Annual humidity swings

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 08-27-2014 17:39
    Seems to be browser-related. Doesn't show in Chrome or Firefox, but does in Safari.

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    Fred Sturm
    University of New Mexico
    http://fredsturm.net
    "When I smell a flower, I don't think about how it was cultivated. I like to listen to music the same way." -Federico Mompou
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  • 25.  RE: Annual humidity swings

    Posted 08-29-2014 00:55
    I receive discussions in a daily digest. I open the digest in Outlook on my Win 8 machine. I saw the images embedded in the message in both posts.

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    Alan McCoy
    Spokane WA
    ahm2352@gmail.com
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  • 26.  RE: Annual humidity swings

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 08-29-2014 13:18
    After all this fun and games with beta-testing and analysis, I am going back to the file I initially sent, and will attach it so that it goes to the library. I am uploading both jpg and png versions, same image. That way those of you who are interested can blow it up and see the details better.

    I have posted this graph on my office door (which happens to be in a well-traveled area), where it has been looked at a good bit. As I have time, I'll add the most recent four years, where the lows have been even lower due to drought, and it should have that much more of an impact - thinking down the line to trying to obtain some degree of humidity control, if only to maintain a basement of 20 - 30%. Probably won't happen on my watch, but if the whole faculty is aware of the conditions, that will help. 

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    Fred Sturm
    University of New Mexico
    http://fredsturm.net
    "When I smell a flower, I don't think about how it was cultivated. I like to listen to music the same way." -Federico Mompou
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  • 27.  RE: Annual humidity swings

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 08-29-2014 13:39
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    I might as well upload the Excel file, in case you want to see what I did. I started with an Excel file exported from my service records database, including only the fields date and RH (some 2200 rows for seven years). I then worked from that, rather tediously: delete the zeros (where I didn't enter RH data for that particular service - since I wanted to do it by month, I couldn't make that an automatic function, or didn't know how. You can ask excel to ignore zeros in creating a graph, but I needed to take an average of readings for each month); take each month and do an average: formula =sum(select the corresponding cells)/# of entries for that month; then create another spreadsheet with month/year rows, and enter the average, scanning each month for high and low as well. A little time-consuming, but not too bad.

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    Fred Sturm
    University of New Mexico
    http://fredsturm.net
    "When I smell a flower, I don't think about how it was cultivated. I like to listen to music the same way." -Federico Mompou
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