Pianotech

Expand all | Collapse all

Foam Baffles

  • 1.  Foam Baffles

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 11-23-2015 16:39

    Who's making foam baffles for grands now?  

    ------------------------------
    David Love RPT
    www.davidlovepianos.com
    davidlovepianos@comcast.net
    415 407 8320
    ------------------------------


  • 2.  RE: Foam Baffles

    Posted 11-23-2015 17:57

    Just go to a fabric store and purchase foam cushion material and cut them yourself. It's rather easy. Pick up some voicing needles while you're there and might as well pick up some string cover material too.

    ------------------------------
    Regards,

    Jon Page



  • 3.  RE: Foam Baffles

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 11-23-2015 21:18

    > pick up some string cover material too.

    I realize this is probably fuel for another thread, but I've wanted to learn how to make my own string covers, with fabric store material, for a while and nobody around here, (not meaning this group), either knows how to do it or is willing to share the procedure. Is this something that you can explain? For instance, how do you figure out how to lay out and cut the material for the shape of a given piano so that it fits correctly?

    Thanks --

    -- GS

    ------------------------------
    Geoff Sykes, RPT
    Los Angeles CA



  • 4.  RE: Foam Baffles

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 11-23-2015 23:03
    Geoff:
    You can make a pattern, or simply use the felt itself. Lay the paper on the closed lid of the piano and draw/cut the outline. The resulting pattern will be slightly larger than the inside of the case, which is what you want. You'll want to cut back some overhang over the stretcher because the lid will extend several inches past the stretcher when it's closed.
    The pattern will be a little larger than the inside of the case, which is good because the plate will lift the material in the middle, so the extra material is needed so it will reach the perimeter of the soundboard. Even if the material is a little excessive, you can place the edges against the inside of the case so it "seals" the soundboard. Most of the covers I've seen made by Edwards and Dawson and others have battens sewn in to keep the material from touching the strings. You can do this with magnets instead. Radio Shack sells them. Simply stretch the cloth across the struts and hold in place with the magnets. Or you could use some monofilament fishing line and tie across the struts for the same purpose.
    If you want to get decorative, you can sew a nice border pattern and serger the edges so they look clean and won't unravel. You could have an embroidery company make a logo or name of the piano.
    Not exactly rocket science, but it takes a bit of doing.

    As far as baffles, acoustic foam is only good for about 15% reduction in sound in my experience. You can order from Markertek (sp?) or other sound company. Sometimes you can find some on Craigslist from someone making/selling excess foam in their sound studio. It won't block sound, but absorbs some. For that you'd need some vinyl mass-loaded soundproofing which is much heavier and more expensive. The foam material most people think of is meant to absorb reflections of sound from walls and not meant for blocking sound altogether.
    For cutting foam, use an electric knife. Ask the wife first!

    Paul McCloud
    San Diego




  • 5.  RE: Foam Baffles

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 11-23-2015 23:39

    Paul --

    Thanks for this. Exactly the info I was missing. 

    -- GS

    ------------------------------
    Geoff Sykes, RPT
    Los Angeles CA



  • 6.  RE: Foam Baffles

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 11-25-2015 12:35

    On the string cover element of this thread, if you decide to do magnets, a good source is KJ Magnetics. Lots of varieties, shapes and sizes. (Radio Shacks are becoming less common these days.)

    ------------------------------
    Fred Sturm
    University of New Mexico
    fssturm@unm.edu
    http://fredsturm.net
    http://www.artoftuning.com
    "We either make ourselves happy or miserable. The amount of work is the same." - Carlos Casteneda



  • 7.  RE: Foam Baffles

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 11-29-2015 00:31
    I have used magnets on a few pianos and my recommendation would be to
    get a couple of yard sticks (1/4" X 1" slats if you don't like the
    hardware store ad printing) and use these instead of magnets. A few
    pieces of adhesive Velcro hook material attached to the sticks would
    keep them attached to most fabrics.




  • 8.  RE: Foam Baffles

    Posted 11-24-2015 07:01

    I mostly offer string covers that i make from wool material purchased at a fabric store. Good quality cloth will run about $15+ for a grand, I try to find a bolt on clearance. I place the yardage on the lid with the front edge placed over the front plate flange. I'll trim the fabric using the lid as a template. This offers enough material to drape over the struts and cover the interior fully except a little on the straight bass side. I place a few thin slats of wood to keep the strings from draping on the strings: one over the dampers, one or two diagonally across the bass/tenor/treble and one resting on the diagonals down the middle of the bass strings extending over the bass bridge. Most commercial string covers tend to drape at that low end. Not only do they keep the dust away, they keep the strings from oxidation.

    ------------------------------
    Regards,

    Jon Page



  • 9.  RE: Foam Baffles

    Posted 11-24-2015 07:04

    > ...to keep the strings from draping on the strings..

    ...to keep the string cover from draping on the strings...

    ------------------------------
    Regards,

    Jon Page



  • 10.  RE: Foam Baffles

    Posted 11-24-2015 08:12

    hi Jon,

    could you please take a picture of the slats of wood you use?

    thank you,

    Peter

    Janssen Piano Services

    678 416 8055

    ------------------------------
    Petrus Janssen
    Sharpsburg GA
    770-253-5083



  • 11.  RE: Foam Baffles

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 11-23-2015 20:59

    I've had good luck buying material from The Foam Factory sound proofing deadening, acoustic insulation foams, echo elimination, home studio soundproofing foam, and cutting it to fit as necessary. They make it in many thicknesses and many styles. I also seem to find myriad uses for the scrap in the shop.

    ------------------------------
    Karl Roeder
    Pompano Beach FL



  • 12.  RE: Foam Baffles

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 11-24-2015 05:24

    I have used both acoustical foam and just plain regular two-inch thick mattress foam. Can't tell the difference - both worked just fine. 

    ------------------------------
    Israel Stein RPT
    P.O. Box 68141
    Jerusalem, Israel 9168002
    510-558-0777
    istein248@gmail.com



  • 13.  RE: Foam Baffles

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 11-24-2015 10:09

    Thanks for the detailed replies but the question was is there a company making these baffles for the underside of the piano. I know how to do it myself but have no interest nor is it reasonable in this case. Don't need a string cover or foam for the top, just a company name that's still in businesss that makes baffles for the underside and that has the bracing dimensions on various makes and models. 

    ------------------------------
    David Love RPT
    www.davidlovepianos.com
    davidlovepianos@comcast.net
    415 407 8320



  • 14.  RE: Foam Baffles

    Posted 11-24-2015 21:15

    David, that is a non-techniciajn response if I ever heard one: I don't want to make it myself. i want it to fit  universally. Do they make hammer like this too?

    Big G

    ------------------------------
    Regards,

    Jon Page



  • 15.  RE: Foam Baffles

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 11-24-2015 21:34

    No Jon. The piano is an hour and a half from me. At one time you could buy these premade for about $200. For me to make the trip to a store, drive to his place, make and install them I'd be charging 600-700. If he can buy readymades for 200 it would be unethical of me to charge him my price. I don't need to make money that way. I'm busy enough.

    A non technician approach? That's insulting.

    ------------------------------
    David Love RPT
    www.davidlovepianos.com
    davidlovepianos@comcast.net
    415 407 8320



  • 16.  RE: Foam Baffles

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 11-24-2015 21:41

    BTW it used to be that my previous supplier had the templates for a bunch of different pianos and so they weren't universals. I'm looking for a supplier who has this information and if you know one if appreciate the info and a bit less moralizing. There are many things I don't make from scratch if they are available. I would assume that's true for most people who have any sense.

    ------------------------------
    David Love RPT
    www.davidlovepianos.com
    davidlovepianos@comcast.net
    415 407 8320



  • 17.  RE: Foam Baffles

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 11-24-2015 22:28

    BTW it used to be that my previous supplier had the templates for a bunch of different pianos and so they weren't universals. I'm looking for a supplier who has this information and if you know one if appreciate the info and a bit less moralizing. There are many things I don't make from scratch if they are available. I would assume that's true for most people who have any sense.

    ------------------------------
    David Love RPT
    www.davidlovepianos.com
    davidlovepianos@comcast.net
    415 407 8320



  • 18.  RE: Foam Baffles

    Posted 11-25-2015 07:47

    Tell the guy to go to a local fabric store and purchase thick cushion foam and cut them himself. There's really nothing to it.

    ------------------------------
    Regards,

    Jon Page



  • 19.  RE: Foam Baffles

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 11-25-2015 09:22

    Tell/suggest?




  • 20.  RE: Foam Baffles

    Posted 11-25-2015 09:23

    Command

    ------------------------------
    Regards,

    Jon Page



  • 21.  RE: Foam Baffles

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 11-25-2015 09:25

    Oh!Ha.Ha.




  • 22.  RE: Foam Baffles

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 11-25-2015 12:25

    Not everyone is a do-it-yourselfer and for some the time and effort is not worth it if they can just buy it.  I've given him photos of the procedure but if he can find a commercial supplier (and there used to be at least one) then I think he would prefer that, as would I.

    ------------------------------
    David Love RPT
    www.davidlovepianos.com
    davidlovepianos@comcast.net
    415 407 8320



  • 23.  RE: Foam Baffles

    Posted 12-15-2015 11:45

    A local piano owner called up the local foam shop.  They sell foam mattresses, and all kinds of foam for cushions, upholstery, crafts etc. My town is not large, and this kind of shop should be almost anywhere.  If not, upholstery people are.

     They sent a guy out who took measurements/ made a paper template rubbing, and then installed foam between beams.  It worked well and cuts the sound down surprisingly.

    ------------------------------
    Jurgen Goering