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  • 1.  drop screws maxxed out

    Member
    Posted 09-23-2016 05:37

    Ok, I'm kinda stumped.  I'm regulating a 15 yr old Steinway D.  Parts are in pretty good condition, not a lot of wear.  Several (5-6 of the drop screws are turned up all the way, yet I still need more drop out of these keys.  Anyone know of a workaround for this problem?

    Please be aware that in order to get some aftertouch on this action I've already set the dip a bit lower than spec (10.5 mm+), the hammer shanks are a little higher off the rest rail than I would prefer (1/4"+) , letoff is a little more than optimal (a bit more than 1/16th in all sections above bass).

    Because the piano has little wear on the action parts, I don't see why this action would be difficult to regulate.  At this point all the settings can be made acceptable except for the drop screw problem, which causes a mushy feel because I can't get letoff and drop to be simultaneous unless I set letoff unacceptably far away from the strings.

    Does anyone have a remedy for drop screws turned up to their limit but still allowing too much drop?

    ps - Regulating for a concert this weekend.  Ordering new parts, etc is not an option.

    Looking forward to your suggestions!

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    Tim Jasnau
    Makawao HI
    808-633-6655
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  • 2.  RE: drop screws maxxed out

    Posted 09-23-2016 07:52
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    My bet is that the String Plane or String Height (SH) is higher than 'spec'. Attached is some info that Newton Hunt posted many years ago.

    Measure the Hammer Center Height (HCH). The Wippen Center Height (WCH) should be 64mm below that.

    You'll more than likely need to elevate the top action to satisfy this equation: SH - HCH = Hammer Bore.

    Another way to get more 'drop' is to replace the cover at the end of the rep lever with thinner material. On one set, I needed to remove wood as well as install thinner Ecsaine.

    Raising the top action will also bring the Let Off closer.

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    Regards,

    Jon Page

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  • 3.  RE: drop screws maxxed out

    Posted 09-23-2016 15:21

    Look at the action spread too. Does the knuckle core align with the jack center at rest?

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    Regards,

    Jon Page



  • 4.  RE: drop screws maxxed out

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-26-2016 09:38
    A lot of great answers to this one. I would recommend checking the repetition springs like Paul suggested first, and if that isn't the issue, setting out to check if the parts are rolled in toward the whippen rail, parts variations and the spread/action geometry.
    (Our shop has had to fix action geometry on some pretty new Steinway Ds in the last year, so it's definitely a possible issue.)
    If the springs lack enough tension it can cause the hammer to plummet down at the point of drop, and give you a false reading.

    Good luck! I'm curious to see what you come back with.

    Elizabeth




  • 5.  RE: drop screws maxxed out

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-26-2016 10:00
    Be sure to double check the action bracket screws.  I've run into Steinways with action bracket screws that seem to tighten and yet the bracket feet aren't screwed all the way down, leaving the action stack hanging a little high. Or they were high before removing the stack and then screwing them down actually lowered the stack in relation to the key frame. Sometimes the order of loosening screws and then reinstalling/tightening screws can make a difference in how the action stack mates to the key frame.  It's not a bad idea to have a loosening/tightening sequence that you use every time you remove/replace the action stack.





  • 6.  RE: drop screws maxxed out

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-23-2016 20:10

    Hi Tim,

    I've already replied to your updated post but I'm including my reply here as well.

    Check the repetition lever spring. It is almost certainly too weak for the notes you mention. You will need to strengthen it. You can test this on a grand action model if you wish. It duplicates the problem you are experiencing.

    Paul.

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    Paul Brown, RPT
    Vancouver, BC Canada
    Email: paulbrn@telus.net



  • 7.  RE: drop screws maxxed out

    Posted 09-27-2016 09:59

    Hi Tim,

    BTW, Steinway D's don't have hammer rest rails for shanks. Blow distance is something measured from the string, not wippen cushions.

    Have you checked the glides?

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    Benjamin Sloane
    Cincinnati OH
    513-257-8480