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University/School 1-2 year(s) Piano Technology Certification Program

  • 1.  University/School 1-2 year(s) Piano Technology Certification Program

    Posted 03-30-2017 22:49
    Dear Colleagues,

    My name is Li Yeoh and I am the piano technician at the University of Nebraska-Lincoln. I am collecting data for my beginner class piano technology students on the topic/list of University/School that offers 1/2-year Piano Technology Certification Program (Undergraduate/Graduate) available in north America, but have found limited info. My students (Undergraduate & Graduate) are graduating soon, does your College offer 1/2-year Piano Technology Certification Program? If so, could you please provide either the coarse website or related links?

    The info I have found online so far are:
    1) Piano Technology - Western University (suspended?)
    2) Piano Technology | The Royal Conservatory of Music
    3) Randy Potter School of Piano Technology -
    4) The Premier Craft, Trade, & Artisan School in Boston MA " North Bennett Street School
    5) University of North Texas
    6) Florida State University
    7) ...???


    Thank you for your time and help.

    Sincerely,

    Li

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    Li Yeoh
    Piano Technician & Lecturer, Piano Technology
    University of Nebraska-Lincoln
    Lincoln NE
    402-472-2568
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  • 2.  RE: University/School 1-2 year(s) Piano Technology Certification Program

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-30-2017 23:10
    Hello Li,

    The University of Western Ontario program is no more. And as far as I know there is no piano technology school at either the Royal Conservatory of Toronto or the University of North Texas. The Randy Potter school is a correspondence school, so if you are including those there are several others as well.

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    Peter Stevenson RPT
    P.S. Piano Service
    Prince George BC
    250-562-5358
    ps@pspianoservice.com
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  • 3.  RE: University/School 1-2 year(s) Piano Technology Certification Program

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-30-2017 23:16
    Does BYU offer a certificate?  I know they employ students in the shop and tuning. I think I understood that to be the case. I have an independent study course but it's just a two credit class. Was the teaching position at Florida State filled?

    Chris





  • 4.  RE: University/School 1-2 year(s) Piano Technology Certification Program

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-30-2017 23:18
    Sorry, I thought my signature lines would show up. I am the tech at Middle Tennessee State University. 





  • 5.  RE: University/School 1-2 year(s) Piano Technology Certification Program

    Posted 04-01-2017 16:53
    Hi Chris,

    Does Western Iowa Tech still offer Piano Technology certification? I am not sure whether the following is the correct link? Class Search at WITCC
    Witcc remove preview
    Class Search at WITCC
    Western Iowa Tech Community College (WITCC) is a two-year college with programs ranging from police or fire science, carpentry or construction, robotics or wind energy, motorcycle powersports, audio engineering and video production, culinary, auto body and auto tech as well as business classes such as accounting, human resources, child care and much more.
    View this on Witcc >
    Thanks,

    Li

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    Li Yeoh
    Piano Technician & Lecturer, Piano Technology
    University of Nebraska-Lincoln
    Lincoln NE
    402-472-2568
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  • 6.  RE: University/School 1-2 year(s) Piano Technology Certification Program

    Posted 04-01-2017 17:14
    The WITCC piano technology program closed ten years ago.

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    Ed Sutton
    ed440@me.com
    (980) 254-7413
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  • 7.  RE: University/School 1-2 year(s) Piano Technology Certification Program

    Posted 04-01-2017 17:15
    Oops, yes, 1997 was 20 years ago.

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    Ed Sutton
    ed440@me.com
    (980) 254-7413
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  • 8.  RE: University/School 1-2 year(s) Piano Technology Certification Program

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 04-01-2017 17:25
    Just as an aside.....
    This year makes 70 years that NBSS has been teaching piano technology.  Started in 1947!!

    Debbie Cyr
    Instructor, Piano Technology
    North Bennet Street School
    Registered Piano Technician 
    508-202-2862 cell

    Sent from my iPhone





  • 9.  RE: University/School 1-2 year(s) Piano Technology Certification Program

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 04-01-2017 17:14
    Western Iowa Tech closed their piano technology program at least 20 years ago. 
    Chicago closed 3-4 years ago. 
    Western Ontario closed their program 2-3 years ago. 
    Florida State Masters program in piano technology is trying to hire someone to fill the instructor position. 
    Vancouver Piano Technology for the Blind just recently decided to close. 

    North Bennet Street School is the only full time resident program remaining.   They have a 9 month beginner course learning tuning, repairs & regulation and a 9 month program in grand rebuilding.   John Cavanaugh at Oberlin has a 2 year advanced performance program. Steve Carver at Juilliard has a 1 year advanced performance, but just for 1 student. 

    I know Alan Eder at CalArts does training with interns, as does BYU. 

    There are several correspondence courses.... Randi Potter, Jim Busby, and a few others. 

    I will say our recent experience is that there is a really strong demand/shortage for good piano techs....all over the US and the world.  It is really too bad all these programs closed. 
    Hope this helps. 

    Debbie Cyr
    Registered Piano Technician 
    508-202-2862 cell

    Sent from my iPhone





  • 10.  RE: University/School 1-2 year(s) Piano Technology Certification Program

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 04-04-2017 10:08
    Jim Busby has a correspondence course? I want to take it!

    Alan

    P. S. Has Rick Butler's "Skype" course been mentioned?

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    Alan Eder, RPT
    Herb Alpert School of Music
    California Institute of the Arts
    Valencia, CA
    661.904.6483
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  • 11.  RE: University/School 1-2 year(s) Piano Technology Certification Program

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 04-04-2017 10:50
    I'm not sure about a correspondence course, but Jim Busby has been hard at work on a series of iBooks. So far he has completed Vertical Regulation and Grand Regulation. They include short videos showing how to do various things. Really excellent material, which I highly recommend. I'm not sure, but I think this is Mac only platform, only compatible (at least officially) on iMac, iPad, iPhone, though there may be workarounds.

    Jim is working on material about voicing at the moment. Check out his web page http://www.pianotechniciantutorials.com/index.php

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    Fred Sturm
    University of New Mexico
    fssturm@unm.edu
    http://fredsturm.net
    http://www.artoftuning.com
    "We either make ourselves happy or miserable. The amount of work is the same." - Carlos Casteneda
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  • 12.  RE: University/School 1-2 year(s) Piano Technology Certification Program

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 04-01-2017 18:25
    Hi Li,

    Your question about Western Iowa Tech has been well answered.  I attended there in 1981-82.  As for your earlier question, no, I do not have a link or web page for my class.  

    Sorry,

    Chris

    Christopher Purdy, RPT
    Piano Technician
    MTSU School of Music
    An All Steinway School
    Murfreesboro, TN  37132
    office: 615-898-5893
    cell: 740-590-3842







  • 13.  RE: University/School 1-2 year(s) Piano Technology Certification Program

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 04-02-2017 17:56
    Li,

    Are you asking for yourself or someone else?

    I have been teaching piano technology at Tarranty County College for five years
    as a Continuing Education course. 

    Recently, I created The North Texas School of Piano Technology as a private
    school. It is full time, and is listed on my website (but I have not fleshed out the
    curriculum yet). I is intended as something physical like NBBS, but as one-on-one
    supervised instruction and training directly with me, covering every aspect of 
    piano work except refinishing.







  • 14.  RE: University/School 1-2 year(s) Piano Technology Certification Program

    Posted 03-30-2017 23:48
    Hi Chris,

    Thank you for the reply. I think BYU program is very interesting, Student Work Program
    Byu remove preview
    Student Work Program
    Occasionally BYU Piano shop hires student workers. Students will be expected to be engaged in learning opportunities such as those found outlined in "Becoming a Piano Technician" below. Piano Shop student employees are hired as needed and as the budget allows. Jobs are available at the discretion of the full-time technicians and School of Music administrators.
    View this on Byu >

    Do you have a link to your independent study course?

    Best,

    Li



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    Li Yeoh
    Piano Technician & Lecturer, Piano Technology
    University of Nebraska-Lincoln
    Lincoln NE
    402-472-2568
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  • 15.  RE: University/School 1-2 year(s) Piano Technology Certification Program

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-31-2017 02:13
    Didn't John Cavanaugh start something like that at Oberlin Conservatory recently? Anybody have any info?

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    Israel Stein RPT
    P.O. Box 68141
    Jerusalem, Israel 9168002
    510-558-0777
    istein248@gmail.com
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  • 16.  RE: University/School 1-2 year(s) Piano Technology Certification Program

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-31-2017 07:48
    I was at one of the Steinway training weeks at Oberlin in 2008, and they had several student shop workers. I forget if they also learned tuning as well, but I think so.  It was at a point where the students who had been there a couple years were teaching the new students. They did everything shop wise at least.  I would contact John there and ask; john.cavanaugh@oberlin.edu.

    While at UNL (Univ of NE) before Li, I taught a basic one semester piano technology class but it was more like a "peek under the lid" type of class and didn't actually teach tuning. They only learned basic theories of tuning, regulation, and repairs with much hands-on practice. In other words, they learned just enough to get themselves into trouble!

    Hi Li, hope you're still enjoying UNL!

    Best,
    Paul

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    Paul T. Williams RPT
    Director of Piano Services
    School of Music
    813 Assembly St
    University of South Carolina
    Columbia, SC 29208
    pwilliams@mozart.sc.edu
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  • 17.  RE: University/School 1-2 year(s) Piano Technology Certification Program

    Posted 03-31-2017 08:09
    Thanks for the input, Paul! The reason of this thread (the List) is to get the students to see their possible potential to continue Piano Technology study in another higher learning institute, and hopefully keep them out of trouble! So far, I have 100% attendance every class and love to see sparkles in students souls.

    Best,

    Li

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    Li Yeoh
    Piano Technician & Lecturer, Piano Technology
    University of Nebraska-Lincoln
    Lincoln NE
    402-472-2568
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  • 18.  RE: University/School 1-2 year(s) Piano Technology Certification Program

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-31-2017 10:11
    The PTG website has a pretty good listing, fairly comprehensive. Alan Eder has a program similar to BYU's at CalArts that isn't listed.

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    Fred Sturm
    University of New Mexico
    fssturm@unm.edu
    http://fredsturm.net
    http://www.artoftuning.com
    "We either make ourselves happy or miserable. The amount of work is the same." - Carlos Casteneda
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  • 19.  RE: University/School 1-2 year(s) Piano Technology Certification Program

    Posted 04-01-2017 16:31
    Hi Fred,

    Thank you for the link, I have found another piano tech school that's not on the list -The Chicago School for Piano Technology: Review & Facts | American School Search
    American-school-search remove preview
    The Chicago School for Piano Technology: Review & Facts | American School Search
    Detailed information about The Chicago School for Piano Technology: enrollment information, tuition costs, program offerings, admission requirements, and more.
    View this on American-school-search >

    Anybody knows whether this school still available? I tried to call their number  312-666-7440 but is not a working number.

    Best,

    Li

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    Li Yeoh
    Piano Technician & Lecturer, Piano Technology
    University of Nebraska-Lincoln
    Lincoln NE
    402-472-2568
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  • 20.  RE: University/School 1-2 year(s) Piano Technology Certification Program

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 04-04-2017 14:06
    Li,

    I suppose if Paul Williams replied, I'd better chime in since I, too, worked at UNL.  Being at the flagship university for Nebraska, you are in prime position to help technicians in the area.  I can't tell you how many techs came to consult, or ask for help.  Since there are many "practice" pianos in the building, bushing, or repining, or restringing, or regulation, or tuning are all available for someone who wants some guided instruction.  And they can be helpful as they learn.  Whether you have a full blown program, or are just there for part-time instruction, you will have to decide what your time is worth.  Every time you teach you're not doing actual piano service. Sometimes it seems like it would be easier to just keep working than spend time helping a novice technician.  But I enjoyed the teaching and felt that it was part of my job to reach out to the community.  For every university technician there are a dozen outside technicians many of whom need help.  

    One thing that hasn't come up since you posted is the opportunity to make use of PTG.  PTG has a lot of resources. Encouraging people to join can expose them to a community of technicians who are striving to learn and be better technicians. The Nebraska chapter has been working with nonmembers and Associates for years spreading the message of continuing education and basic knowledge and standards.  The chapter experimented with a curriculum which had mixed results. But the camaraderie was and is great and shouldn't be underestimated. Yes, having a full-blown 2 or 3 or 4 year curriculum would be laudable. But it's a lot of work and takes strong leadership to manage. Only a few schools have actually succeeded. I was always envious. But modest help offered in a friendly and encouraging way can also go a long way to encourage newbies to better themselves. Many people can't attend a full time school and are just looking for guidance. They are often highly motivated, and can be self taught or "homeschooled" with just occasional help from a technician such as yourself.

    Many university techs teach a basic piano information class to piano majors and interested folks. This, too, is important.  Before I offer to help a young student, I suggest that he or she takes the piano design class I used to teach. A few went on to become technicians. Most discovered how demanding the profession is and decided it wasn't for them.  It's important to be up front and clear with interested folks. They often come to our profession with a sort of romantic idea of the self-employed, independent technician. It's sometimes hard to break through that without sounding discouraging or unhelpful. As you well know, there are many skill sets involved with our profession. There's a fine balance that makes a person successful

    Good luck. I'm glad to see your posts in the PTG community.  I hope that it's just the start of a long and helpful association. I was a reluctant PTG member in the beginning, but I've learned to appreciate it because of the wealth of knowledge and friendship that is freely given. 

    Richard West, Emeritus Staff Piano Technician, University of Nebraska, Lincoln, NE. (Now retired and living in Oro Valley, AZ)








  • 21.  RE: University/School 1-2 year(s) Piano Technology Certification Program

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 04-04-2017 17:25
    Richard,

    You wrote: 
    "Every time you teach you're not doing actual piano service. Sometimes it seems like it would be easier to just keep working than spend time helping a novice technician."

    Earlier in this thread, Fred Sturm and Debbie Cyr mentioned the apprentices I have at CalArts. Richard, you attended my shop-help class at the national a couple of years ago. In it, I stated that I am looking for apprentices who can be productive from day one (and they have to be, od there is no day two), and I am looking for a massive return on investment where my time teaching them is concerned. NOT one to one, but ten to one, fifty to one, a hundred to one (no kidding). I do not teach people out of the goodness of my heart. There MUST be a net gain in it for me personally and for the school for whom I work, and if this gain is not substantial, then it's just not worth it in the first place.

    That said, I have had the opportunity to usher several people into the professional--including very high-level work--and to build a community of technicians. All deeply gratifying.

    Best,

    Alan



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    Alan Eder, RPT
    Herb Alpert School of Music
    California Institute of the Arts
    Valencia, CA
    661.904.6483
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  • 22.  RE: University/School 1-2 year(s) Piano Technology Certification Program

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 04-04-2017 18:36
    To add one more formal educational opportunity to the mix, Ken Eschete is doing an advanced course he calls "Bellyman's Holiday." It begins as on line, then has an opportunity to do a five day intensive with a top notch rebuilder. http://bentsidearts.com/bentside-school/ He's also doing an all day Friday this summer at St. Louis.

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    Fred Sturm
    University of New Mexico
    fssturm@unm.edu
    http://fredsturm.net
    http://www.artoftuning.com
    "We either make ourselves happy or miserable. The amount of work is the same." - Carlos Casteneda
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  • 23.  RE: University/School 1-2 year(s) Piano Technology Certification Program

    Posted 03-30-2017 23:47
    Thank you Peter, could you please elaborate "other schools"?

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    Li Yeoh
    Piano Technician & Lecturer, Piano Technology
    University of Nebraska-Lincoln
    Lincoln NE
    402-472-2568
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  • 24.  RE: University/School 1-2 year(s) Piano Technology Certification Program

    Posted 04-04-2017 19:50
    Dr. Yeoh-
    I notice you are not yet a member of PTG.
    I suggest it is very important for someone who wants to participate in our profession in the United States to join PTG and get to know what the organization has to offer, and the many people who work to make it happen.
    By joining PTG you will soon know the answers to many of your questions about learning opportunities.

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    Ed Sutton
    ed440@me.com
    (980) 254-7413
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  • 25.  RE: University/School 1-2 year(s) Piano Technology Certification Program

    Posted 04-04-2017 21:08
    Stop relying on Westerners. We're clueless

    The Piano in a Factory
    http://imdb.com/rg/an_share/title/title/tt1723118/

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    Benjamin Sloane
    Cincinnati OH
    513-257-8480
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