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  • 1.  To cover or not to cover

    Member
    Posted 03-17-2017 19:20
    Hi~ 

    So I wanted to get your alls thoughts on string covers, pros/cons? I don't have much experience with them. 

    I have a private church client that has one for stability but they don't like having it on during the service, I'm I right to think that defeats the purpose or is it ok if I just make sure to tune it with the cover off? 

    Also in a university setting.... I have a floor with about 10 pianos on it, all with systems, the systems have definitely helped but they need more with fluctuations from 8%-50% humidity!! Was thinking about trying out under covers and/or string covers... 

    Would appreciate any thoughts or on with both matters. 
    Thank you!  

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    Katrina Sapp
    Arlington VA
    703-347-4430
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  • 2.  RE: To cover or not to cover

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-17-2017 21:02
    Katrina 
    String covers are for one of two reasons. One is to keep the dust off the soundboard.  Hence they are called "dust covers". The other reason is to keep moisture off the strings.  Here in Hawaii I have them on grand pianos to keep the salt air off the strings.  

    But regardless of the reason for this cover, there is nothing wrong with removing it during a church service or concert, much less to tune the piano.  

    I don't have much experience with under covers.  Hopefully someone else will answer the last part of your post. 

    Wim Blees
    Hawaii. 

    Sent from my iPhone





  • 3.  RE: To cover or not to cover

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-18-2017 09:10

    I should clarify what I just wrote about speeding up the exchange

    between air and wood.  I meant the exchange of moisture.

    Ruth Zeiner






  • 4.  RE: To cover or not to cover

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-18-2017 10:51
    I have not tried using string covers, as I do not live in an area that has high-moisture problems. However, I definitely see an marked improvement in the effectiveness of grand pianos that have an undercover, so much so that all of my installations now regularly include the undercover.

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    Peter Stevenson RPT
    P.S. Piano Service
    Prince George BC
    250-562-5358
    ps@pspianoservice.com
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  • 5.  RE: To cover or not to cover

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-18-2017 12:47
    I think we may tend to have the misconception that an undercover or a string cover "traps" air that has a different RH from the environment. I am not aware of any actual, rigorous research that has been done, but my own modest research suggests that this is not at all the case. The exchange of moisture in the air happens through either the loose weave of the undercover or through the tighter, thicker wool of the typical string cover essentially as if it weren't there at all.

    (My research has consisted in simply placing a hygrometer within the cover, facing toward and positioned close to the soundboard, leaving it there for a period of weeks, and comparing its minimum and maximum readings with readings of the air in the room. This has been done on grands with full DC systems installed. I have found zero difference. I would welcome more rigorous research, using data loggers inside and outside to track more minutely).

    What the cover does is reduce air movement. Since a Dampp-Chaser system is focused on creating a microenvironment within the inch or two just below the bottom of the soundboard, air motion that affects the cavity can upset that equilibrium. An undercover can reduce that problem (especially where there are outside doors being opened and closed constantly). With respect to a string cover, I think the major affect is to avoid motion of air at a different temperature from blowing across the strings, causing temporary pitch fluctuation (which will be greatest on the bass strings because of the copper windings, and thus will make the piano out of tune with itself as well as changing pitch).

    I don't believe a string cover keeps in moisture from below the board, because I don't think enough moisture actually migrates through the board to create a significantly different microclimate above the soundboard. In any case, all the measuring I have done (on pianos with full systems whose lid is always down, placing the sensor tip of my hygrometer through plate holes toward the tail) I have never measured a higher RH than that of the room. 

    Note that I live in a dry climate, with 5% - 60% fluctuation, so my experimental data is skewed accordingly.

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    Fred Sturm
    University of New Mexico
    fssturm@unm.edu
    http://fredsturm.net
    http://www.artoftuning.com
    "We either make ourselves happy or miserable. The amount of work is the same." - Carlos Casteneda
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  • 6.  RE: To cover or not to cover

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-18-2017 12:54
    I should have mentioned that in placing a hygrometer within the undercover of a grand with a full system, I did not place it above the beams, just higher than halfway up the rim. Placed above the beams, the hygrometer does get a higher reading, in sync with what the particular hygrostat is set at. Re-reading what I wrote, it could be construed that I was saying that the system doesn't do what it says it does (maintaining the microclimate just below the bottom of the soundboard).

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    Fred Sturm
    University of New Mexico
    fssturm@unm.edu
    http://fredsturm.net
    http://www.artoftuning.com
    "We either make ourselves happy or miserable. The amount of work is the same." - Carlos Casteneda
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  • 7.  RE: To cover or not to cover

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-18-2017 13:12
    Fred's experience also matches Dampp-Chaser's claims that the primary function of the undercover is to reduce air movement. My experience is simply that I have noticed a decrease in pitch fluctuations in grand systems with the undercover in relatively normal home environments as well as environments with more extreme air movement. Keep in mind that in my area a "normal home environment" means a house with forced-air heating that has to heat -20 to -40 degree air (that's 0F to -40F) for a few months each year. So that in and of itself might increase air movement enough to cause problems with a grand system with no undercover.

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    Peter Stevenson RPT
    P.S. Piano Service
    Prince George BC
    250-562-5358
    ps@pspianoservice.com
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  • 8.  RE: To cover or not to cover

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-20-2017 09:29
    I have little to no experience with string covers. What I do have experience with is the complete instrument covers. I have found this to be the best BY FAR, provided that the piano is faithfully closed up and covered completely, whenever not in use.

    Of course this is not always practical, but it DOES work!

    Pwg

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    Peter Grey
    Stratham NH
    603-686-2395
    pianodoctor57@gmail.com
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  • 9.  RE: To cover or not to cover

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-18-2017 09:10

    Hi Katrina,

    Air flow is a major contributor to instability, as it speeds up the exchange

    between air and wood.  Cold air returns are terrible, as are vents blowing

    at the piano from above.  In those cases, top and bottom covers will greatly

    help.  Sometimes the direction of the airflow can be changed by moving

    the vent cover 90 degrees.  I'd keep the string cover on while tuning.

    For those of you who haven't found full control of pitch movement with DC

    installed, have you tried adding extra dehumidifiers?  It's very effective.

    Ruth Zeiner