CAUT

Expand all | Collapse all

Air Compressors

  • 1.  Air Compressors

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 01-07-2017 22:33

    Does anyone have recommendations for air compressors (brand/models, specs, etc) for a small basement size rebuild shop?  I anticipate using the air compressor to spray plates, drive tuning pins, fit pinblocks, shim soundboards (via spurlock method) and other related shop activities.  Currently I am primarily a field technician but am wanting to add full scale rebuilding so I can eliminate the 1.5 hour commutes I frequently have.  Big picture I will be part time in the shop and part time in the field.  So, how large of a tank, how many HP, how much CFM /PSI are appropriate for these and related tasks?  What is not enough vs adequate vs perfect?  Advantages of a double stage vs single stage or oil free vs oil type engines?  Thoughts, recommendations etc are appreciated.

    Many thanks,

    ------------------------------
    Kamuela "Sam" Haasenritter, RPT
    President: Haasenritter Piano Service, Inc.
    Certified Bosendorfer Technician
    Certified WNG Installer
    (404) 932-8863
    sam@hpianoservice.com
    ------------------------------


  • 2.  RE: Air Compressors

    Posted 01-08-2017 00:32

    For painting, I would highly recommend looking at the Fuji Systems spray system. It's HVLP and the platinuim 4 unit will do what you need. It's also very tiny. We love it. 

    ------------------------------
    Jason Davies Associate Member
    TechRx Inc / Fifth Octave, LLC
    Green Bay, WI
    920.884.1195 http://techrxgb.com



  • 3.  RE: Air Compressors

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 01-08-2017 15:58
      |   view attached

    Regarding a good solid air compressor, I would just say don't skimp. Definitely do not even consider one that isn't oil filled. I just saw a Crafstman online that looked like a good "starting place". It had about a 27 gallon tank, and had a max PSI rating of 150. I'm going to try to attach a pic. 

    Of course it all depends on what stores you have in your area, what is readily available, your long term goals, etc vesus how much you are willing to spend. This sample is a little over 500 dollars which I am sure you can do better--plus with Sears selling their Craftman line, etc--not sure I would actually buy it from Sears. If nothing else, hopefully this will "stir the pot" and perhaps others will chime in. 

    Kevin

    ------------------------------
    [Kevin] [Fortenberry] [RPT]
    [Staff Techician]
    [Texas Tech Univ]
    [Lubbock] [TX]
    [8067783962]



  • 4.  RE: Air Compressors

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 02-06-2017 21:12
    Thanks for the replies.  I've gone back and forth with my electrician as he originally voiced concern that I might not have enough amps going into my house to power a shop, along with the house's electrical needs.  So, I was wondering if a 110v compressor would be strong enough.  But from this (as well as a couple others from the archives) I think it is obvious now I need to have a 220V compressor.  And, after double checking things, my electrician has concluded that if I'm not running all my shop tools at the same time I should be ok!  Glad to hear that as I wasn't looking to pay an extra 5k to run a 2nd line into my house. I will definitely not skimp in this area!

    ------------------------------
    Kamuela "Sam" Haasenritter, RPT
    President: Haasenritter Piano Service, Inc.
    Certified Bosendorfer Technician
    Certified WNG Installer
    (404) 932-8863
    sam@hpianoservice.com
    ------------------------------



  • 5.  RE: Air Compressors

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 02-07-2017 08:53
    Sam,

    For quite a few years I got by with a small single stage 12 gal tank sears (I think) compressor, bought used. It delivered almost all I wanted. Yes, occasionally I had to wait for it, and sometimes I wished for more.  But my point is that you don't really need more unless you are running air tools. They gobble up air like mad. 

    So, eventually I did get a big one (not as big as I would like of course 😎) with a big tank. Nice...but I want warn you about something:  NOISE!

    When you do go to buy your final compressor, make sure you hear it running before you buy it, regardless of what anyone tells you!  Mine is so loud it makes me jump anytime it comes on, and if I'm near it I need to wear ear protection. So if you're going to have this in your house you better make sure everyone can live with it.  I know some guys who put their compressor outside their shop for this reason. 

    Finally though, just like pianos, the bigger the better. More CFM means quicker recovery. Buy the one with the most CFM and largest tank you can afford and fit. Till then I would bet you could easily get by with a little portable one. 

    And make sure you drain it regularly!

    Pwg

    ------------------------------
    Peter Grey
    Stratham NH
    603-686-2395
    pianodoctor57@gmail.com
    ------------------------------



  • 6.  RE: Air Compressors

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 02-07-2017 09:52
    Thanks Peter. This is a long term goal and so is still a ways off. But I do plan to use a pneumatic palm nailer for driving tuning pins, as well as a few other air tools (spurlocks tool for routing/shimming boards and an angle grinder for fitting pinblocks  are what I foresee utilizing). I will pay attention to the db of the unit though but will either put it outside or hide it in a closet.


    Kamuela "Sam" Haasenritter, RPT
    President: Haasenritter Piano Service, Inc.
    Certified Bosendorfer Technician
    Certified WNG Action Installer
    Registered Piano Technician
    www.hpianoservice.com
    (404) 932-8863 (TUNE)

    On Feb 7, 2017 8:52 AM, "Peter Grey via Piano Technicians Guild" <Mail@connectedcommunity.org> wrote:
    Sam, For quite a few years I got by with a small single stage 12 gal tank sears (I think) compressor, bought used. It delivered almost all I... -posted to the "CAUT" community
    Please do not forward this message due to Auto Login.

    CAUT

      Post New Message
    Re: Air Compressors
    Reply to Group Reply to Sender
    Feb 7, 2017 8:53 AM
    Peter Grey
    Sam,

    For quite a few years I got by with a small single stage 12 gal tank sears (I think) compressor, bought used. It delivered almost all I wanted. Yes, occasionally I had to wait for it, and sometimes I wished for more.  But my point is that you don't really need more unless you are running air tools. They gobble up air like mad. 

    So, eventually I did get a big one (not as big as I would like of course ��) with a big tank. Nice...but I want warn you about something:  NOISE!

    When you do go to buy your final compressor, make sure you hear it running before you buy it, regardless of what anyone tells you!  Mine is so loud it makes me jump anytime it comes on, and if I'm near it I need to wear ear protection. So if you're going to have this in your house you better make sure everyone can live with it.  I know some guys who put their compressor outside their shop for this reason. 

    Finally though, just like pianos, the bigger the better. More CFM means quicker recovery. Buy the one with the most CFM and largest tank you can afford and fit. Till then I would bet you could easily get by with a little portable one. 

    And make sure you drain it regularly!

    Pwg

    ------------------------------
    Peter Grey
    Stratham NH
    603-686-2395
    pianodoctor57@gmail.com
    ------------------------------
      Reply to Group Online   View Thread   Recommend   Forward  
    ------------------------------



     
    To change your subscriptions, go to My Subscriptions. To unsubscribe from this community discussion, go to Unsubscribe.



    Original Message------

    Sam,

    For quite a few years I got by with a small single stage 12 gal tank sears (I think) compressor, bought used. It delivered almost all I wanted. Yes, occasionally I had to wait for it, and sometimes I wished for more.  But my point is that you don't really need more unless you are running air tools. They gobble up air like mad. 

    So, eventually I did get a big one (not as big as I would like of course 😎) with a big tank. Nice...but I want warn you about something:  NOISE!

    When you do go to buy your final compressor, make sure you hear it running before you buy it, regardless of what anyone tells you!  Mine is so loud it makes me jump anytime it comes on, and if I'm near it I need to wear ear protection. So if you're going to have this in your house you better make sure everyone can live with it.  I know some guys who put their compressor outside their shop for this reason. 

    Finally though, just like pianos, the bigger the better. More CFM means quicker recovery. Buy the one with the most CFM and largest tank you can afford and fit. Till then I would bet you could easily get by with a little portable one. 

    And make sure you drain it regularly!

    Pwg

    ------------------------------
    Peter Grey
    Stratham NH
    603-686-2395
    pianodoctor57@gmail.com
    ------------------------------


  • 7.  RE: Air Compressors

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 02-07-2017 10:43
    Yes, very sage advice Peter! 

    ------------------------------
    [Kevin] [Fortenberry] [RPT]
    [Staff Techician]
    [Texas Tech Univ]
    [Lubbock] [TX]
    [8067783962]
    ------------------------------



  • 8.  RE: Air Compressors

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 02-07-2017 11:12
    To better visualize your situation, it might help to know the size of the basement space (including ceiling height), as well as the actual level of current electrical service available.  Depending upon the extent of natural ventilation, you could expend a considerable amount of your usage on air quality - temperature, dehumidification (you are in GA after all), particulate dust and fumes.  

    Then, of course, there's good lighting and primo sound system.

    ------------------------------
    David Skolnik
    Hastings-on-Hudson NY
    914-231-7565
    ------------------------------



  • 9.  RE: Air Compressors

    Posted 02-07-2017 15:12
    You haven't defined exactly what level of rebuilding you want to get into. To be fair, its hard to predict where one will end up with their rebuilding, because the available jobs you land will define that for you. This means that despite the best laid plans, things can escalate quickly, especially  in the air department.

    For instance, if you just planned on doing action work, you would think a small work-site 1-1/2hp portable, like carpenters use, would be sufficient. And that would be correct...kind'a.  Kind'a, because for much of what we need air for a small compressor is fine, brad nailing jigs, blowing crud off parts, and running maybe a die grinder very very occasionally for a short period of time, spraying a small part that's not too picky.   But then, you have a job come in where you want to clean up a vintage action. Now what?...this means a blasting cabinet, and the game escalates out of control in the capital expense and air department. Now you need serious cfm and HP and a well thought out plumbing system, and amperage that may or may not be appropriate to your service, dust collection, etc, etc. And then , even with serious current, newer large compressors are really picky about voltages and consistency of voltages...the newer machines seem to burn out, way more often than they ought  

    So, if I were thinking about this, I would start small. I only had a 1.5hp for 20 years. There were times I was frustrated by this, and eventually I did upgrade. The upgrade certainly changed what I could do and how well I could do it, but I resisted it for a long time, as I knew it would be a serious pain to set up. It was in fact a real pain, and it was very expensive in the hidden cost department, ie in items other than the compressor...it also took a huge amount of time to tweak and get so I didn't burn out motors or regulators every 2 months, etc, etc.

    So, I'm saying serious air is useful, but a pain in the ass, either continually, or until the compressor gods decide to smile on you. I would define your work around what you could do on a limited capital outlay for now, and sub out the items that need serious air, at least until you see if you can swing this part of the business.   
         

    ------------------------------
    Jim Ialeggio
    grandpianosolutions.com
    Shirley, MA
    978 425-9026
    ------------------------------



  • 10.  RE: Air Compressors

    Posted 02-07-2017 15:54
    For as many that go DIY with piano maintenance, I am surprised you are involving an electrician. Get the right book, you can wire a whole house easy. Way easier than an action job, prehung or not. Afraid of electrocution? Turn off the main switch. Wiring to messenger cable, i.e., from house to street? Call your energy provider, they turn it off free, here anyway. I replaced wire to my whole circuit box, a surge that could kill you.

    Just get your ducks in a row. 

    What's wrong with a sledgehammer for driving in tuning pins? I got a paint gun. Can you rent tools in your area? How much stringing and painting are you doing?

    ------------------------------
    Benjamin Sloane
    Cincinnati OH
    513-257-8480
    ------------------------------



  • 11.  RE: Air Compressors

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 02-07-2017 16:10
    The desert island or far north woods, or, based upon my own recent interactions, the creative mexican approach, and, before you start getting offended, I say that with awe and respect, but, along with a number of luminaries on the list, both living and recently departed, I've had recent experience with fire and its aftermath, including insurance, and I'd suggest that the last thing you want to save a few bucks on is unlicensed, imaginative electrical installation.  

    ------------------------------
    David Skolnik
    Hastings-on-Hudson NY
    914-231-7565
    ------------------------------



  • 12.  RE: Air Compressors

    Posted 02-07-2017 16:20
    David,

    Chances are that you do a better job than a contractor. 

    3 wires, mostly. Sometimes 4. Color coated. Home Depot claims it is easier than sanding and refinishing floors. You got a better chance at rewiring a house than refinishing a piano...

    ------------------------------
    Benjamin Sloane
    Cincinnati OH
    513-257-8480
    ------------------------------



  • 13.  RE: Air Compressors

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 02-07-2017 16:36
    Ben -
    I'm internally grateful for you vote of confidence, unless, of course, your intended meaning is that my refinishing skills are SO bad that even my amateur dabbling in the dark arts of agitated electrons would be more successful.. You might be right.  Still, there are such things as knowledge, experience, municipal code and insurance requirements.  Are you suggesting that, were the un-speakable to occur, after Kamuela (Sam) had self-executed the electrical renovations,  that the insurance folks (let's assume he has them) would look kindly upon remuneration, especially if there were even a chance that that work played a role?  

    ------------------------------
    David Skolnik
    Hastings-on-Hudson NY
    914-231-7565
    ------------------------------



  • 14.  RE: Air Compressors

    Posted 02-07-2017 16:49
    Every county is different. But generally, code requires wire to be in conduit pipe mounted to the wall if not behind it.



    ------------------------------
    Benjamin Sloane
    Cincinnati OH
    513-257-8480
    ------------------------------



  • 15.  RE: Air Compressors

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 02-07-2017 18:13
    While I am convinced that there is nothing a good piano technician cannot accomplish with his hands and very often to a higher degree of quality than most, it really comes down to what is one comfortable with. I for one, would rather forgo several hundred dollars for a licensed electrician to come in and wire  the shop for a 240 volt socket, several extra 120 volt sockets, and shop lighting, especially since my family happens to reside in the floor above 24/7.  Add to that my breaker panel is full. The implications of a DIY piano job gone wrong are nothing in comparison to a DIY electrical job gone bad. Personally, I value the peace of mind that comes with an electrician doing the job especially since my family's future and my financial future could be jeopardized far too greatly due to my ignorance with the electrical trade.

    As far as refinishing is concerned, that is something I would job out. And using a sledge to drive tuning pins is fine. But I would rather restring a whole piano today and be able to do four tunings for the next several days straight without a sore arm.

    Kamuela "Sam" Haasenritter, RPT
    President: Haasenritter Piano Service, Inc.
    Certified Bosendorfer Technician
    Certified WNG Action Installer
    Registered Piano Technician
    www.hpianoservice.com
    (404) 932-8863 (TUNE)

    On Feb 7, 2017 4:48 PM, "Benjamin Sloane via Piano Technicians Guild" <Mail@connectedcommunity.org> wrote:
    Every county is different. But generally, code requires wire to be in conduit pipe mounted to the wall if not behind it. ----------------------... -posted to the "CAUT" community
    Please do not forward this message due to Auto Login.

    CAUT

      Post New Message
    Re: Air Compressors
    Reply to Group Reply to Sender
    Feb 7, 2017 4:49 PM
    Benjamin Sloane
    Every county is different. But generally, code requires wire to be in conduit pipe mounted to the wall if not behind it.



    ------------------------------
    Benjamin Sloane
    Cincinnati OH
    513-257-8480
    ------------------------------
      Reply to Group Online   View Thread   Recommend   Forward  
    ------------------------------



     
    To change your subscriptions, go to My Subscriptions. To unsubscribe from this community discussion, go to Unsubscribe.



    Original Message------

    Every county is different. But generally, code requires wire to be in conduit pipe mounted to the wall if not behind it.



    ------------------------------
    Benjamin Sloane
    Cincinnati OH
    513-257-8480
    ------------------------------


  • 16.  RE: Air Compressors

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 02-07-2017 18:51
    Thanks for the insightful comments Jim. To bring more definition to this discussion, my long-term goal is both comprehensive and high-quality rebuilding work. So with that end in mind, I'd rather start with a larger air compressor. When a job comes up that needs blasting, I'm more than happy to have the person doing the keytops do the blasting as well. That way I can sidestep the whole capital expenditure for something I will use seldom.
     
     As far as shop space is concerned, I'll have enough room to comfortably work on a 7-foot grand with the plate pulled and the action on a bench as well as more counter space and room for some portable shop machinery (aka table saw, grinder, drill press, planer etc). 

    Comprehensive rebuilding work for me means everything with the exception of refinishing which I would job out. I would not press my own soundboards but would order a board in a box duplication of what is there, or have someone like Revely custom build a board as per my customer's wallet. But comprehensive & high quality in every other aspect . . . Soundboard installation, resetting bearing, notching Bridges, pinblock installation, back action, resetting action elevation, custom Hammer hanging and backcheck location. If new keys/balance rail location, etc are needed, there are several high quality keyboard experts in our industry that I would trust. Richard Cromwell did a phenomenal job for me 3 years ago on a 1937 Steinway. Not only was everything both perfect and beautiful, but the repetition / checking dance came out great. So I anticipate jobbing things out in a collaborative effort. Sometimes it would be things that I could do but for profitability reasons makes sense for somebody else to do. At other times it would be because that level of expertise is something I don't want to have to invest my resources for that learning curve.

    I do realize that greatly narrows the market that would pay for this kind of work. But my field service is high quality. If customers are not willing to pay for that,  then they don't need my quality as a technician. I plan on taking that same approach with rebuilding as well. And so that means passing up low paying jobs because it would compromise the quality of work I want to do.


    Kamuela "Sam" Haasenritter, RPT
    President: Haasenritter Piano Service, Inc.
    Certified Bosendorfer Technician
    Certified WNG Action Installer
    Registered Piano Technician
    www.hpianoservice.com
    (404) 932-8863 (TUNE)

    On Feb 7, 2017 3:12 PM, "Jim Ialeggio via Piano Technicians Guild" <Mail@connectedcommunity.org> wrote:
    You haven't defined exactly what level of rebuilding you want to get into. To be fair, its hard to predict where one will end up with their... -posted to the "CAUT" community
    Please do not forward this message due to Auto Login.

    CAUT

      Post New Message
    Re: Air Compressors
    Reply to Group Reply to Sender
    Feb 7, 2017 3:12 PM
    Jim Ialeggio
    You haven't defined exactly what level of rebuilding you want to get into. To be fair, its hard to predict where one will end up with their rebuilding, because the available jobs you land will define that for you. This means that despite the best laid plans, things can escalate quickly, especially  in the air department.

    For instance, if you just planned on doing action work, you would think a small work-site 1-1/2hp portable, like carpenters use, would be sufficient. And that would be correct...kind'a.  Kind'a, because for much of what we need air for a small compressor is fine, brad nailing jigs, blowing crud off parts, and running maybe a die grinder very very occasionally for a short period of time, spraying a small part that's not too picky.   But then, you have a job come in where you want to clean up a vintage action. Now what?...this means a blasting cabinet, and the game escalates out of control in the capital expense and air department. Now you need serious cfm and HP and a well thought out plumbing system, and amperage that may or may not be appropriate to your service, dust collection, etc, etc. And then , even with serious current, newer large compressors are really picky about voltages and consistency of voltages...the newer machines seem to burn out, way more often than they ought  

    So, if I were thinking about this, I would start small. I only had a 1.5hp for 20 years. There were times I was frustrated by this, and eventually I did upgrade. The upgrade certainly changed what I could do and how well I could do it, but I resisted it for a long time, as I new it would be a serious pain to set up. It was very expensive in the hidden cost department, ie in items other than the compressor...it also took a huge amount of time to tweak and get so I didn't burn out motors or regulators every 2 months, etc, etc.

    So, I'm saying serious air is useful, but a pain in the ass, either continually, or until the compressor gods decide to smile on you. I would define your work around what you could do on a limited capital outlay for now, and sub out the items that need serious air, at least until you see if you can swing this part of the business.   
         

    ------------------------------
    Jim Ialeggio
    grandpianosolutions.com
    Shirley, MA
    978 425-9026
    ------------------------------
      Reply to Group Online   View Thread   Recommend   Forward  
    ------------------------------



     
    To change your subscriptions, go to My Subscriptions. To unsubscribe from this community discussion, go to Unsubscribe.



    Original Message------

    You haven't defined exactly what level of rebuilding you want to get into. To be fair, its hard to predict where one will end up with their rebuilding, because the available jobs you land will define that for you. This means that despite the best laid plans, things can escalate quickly, especially  in the air department.

    For instance, if you just planned on doing action work, you would think a small work-site 1-1/2hp portable, like carpenters use, would be sufficient. And that would be correct...kind'a.  Kind'a, because for much of what we need air for a small compressor is fine, brad nailing jigs, blowing crud off parts, and running maybe a die grinder very very occasionally for a short period of time, spraying a small part that's not too picky.   But then, you have a job come in where you want to clean up a vintage action. Now what?...this means a blasting cabinet, and the game escalates out of control in the capital expense and air department. Now you need serious cfm and HP and a well thought out plumbing system, and amperage that may or may not be appropriate to your service, dust collection, etc, etc. And then , even with serious current, newer large compressors are really picky about voltages and consistency of voltages...the newer machines seem to burn out, way more often than they ought  

    So, if I were thinking about this, I would start small. I only had a 1.5hp for 20 years. There were times I was frustrated by this, and eventually I did upgrade. The upgrade certainly changed what I could do and how well I could do it, but I resisted it for a long time, as I knew it would be a serious pain to set up. It was in fact a real pain, and it was very expensive in the hidden cost department, ie in items other than the compressor...it also took a huge amount of time to tweak and get so I didn't burn out motors or regulators every 2 months, etc, etc.

    So, I'm saying serious air is useful, but a pain in the ass, either continually, or until the compressor gods decide to smile on you. I would define your work around what you could do on a limited capital outlay for now, and sub out the items that need serious air, at least until you see if you can swing this part of the business.   
         

    ------------------------------
    Jim Ialeggio
    grandpianosolutions.com
    Shirley, MA
    978 425-9026
    ------------------------------

    Original Message:
    Sent: 02-07-2017 11:12
    From: David Skolnik
    Subject: Air Compressors

    To better visualize your situation, it might help to know the size of the basement space (including ceiling height), as well as the actual level of current electrical service available.  Depending upon the extent of natural ventilation, you could expend a considerable amount of your usage on air quality - temperature, dehumidification (you are in GA after all), particulate dust and fumes.  

    Then, of course, there's good lighting and primo sound system.

    ------------------------------
    David Skolnik
    Hastings-on-Hudson NY
    914-231-7565
    ------------------------------

    Original Message:
    Sent: 02-06-2017 21:12
    From: Kamuela (Sam) Haasenritter
    Subject: Air Compressors

    Thanks for the replies.  I've gone back and forth with my electrician as he originally voiced concern that I might not have enough amps going into my house to power a shop, along with the house's electrical needs.  So, I was wondering if a 110v compressor would be strong enough.  But from this (as well as a couple others from the archives) I think it is obvious now I need to have a 220V compressor.  And, after double checking things, my electrician has concluded that if I'm not running all my shop tools at the same time I should be ok!  Glad to hear that as I wasn't looking to pay an extra 5k to run a 2nd line into my house. I will definitely not skimp in this area!

    ------------------------------
    Kamuela "Sam" Haasenritter, RPT
    President: Haasenritter Piano Service, Inc.
    Certified Bosendorfer Technician
    Certified WNG Installer
    (404) 932-8863
    sam@hpianoservice.com
    ------------------------------

    Original Message:
    Sent: 01-08-2017 15:57
    From: Kevin Fortenberry
    Subject: Air Compressors

    Regarding a good solid air compressor, I would just say don't skimp. Definitely do not even consider one that isn't oil filled. I just saw a Crafstman online that looked like a good "starting place". It had about a 27 gallon tank, and had a max PSI rating of 150. I'm going to try to attach a pic. 

    Of course it all depends on what stores you have in your area, what is readily available, your long term goals, etc vesus how much you are willing to spend. This sample is a little over 500 dollars which I am sure you can do better--plus with Sears selling their Craftman line, etc--not sure I would actually buy it from Sears. If nothing else, hopefully this will "stir the pot" and perhaps others will chime in. 

    Kevin

    ------------------------------
    [Kevin] [Fortenberry] [RPT]
    [Staff Techician]
    [Texas Tech Univ]
    [Lubbock] [TX]
    [8067783962]

    Original Message:
    Sent: 01-08-2017 00:32
    From: Jason Davies
    Subject: Air Compressors

    For painting, I would highly recommend looking at the Fuji Systems spray system. It's HVLP and the platinuim 4 unit will do what you need. It's also very tiny. We love it. 

    ------------------------------
    Jason Davies Associate Member
    TechRx Inc / Fifth Octave, LLC
    Green Bay, WI
    920.884.1195 http://techrxgb.com


  • 17.  RE: Air Compressors

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 02-07-2017 18:18
    A primo sound system! Darn, I knew that there was something I forgot to ask for with the electricians' quotes

    Kamuela "Sam" Haasenritter, RPT
    President: Haasenritter Piano Service, Inc.
    Certified Bosendorfer Technician
    Certified WNG Action Installer
    Registered Piano Technician
    www.hpianoservice.com
    (404) 932-8863 (TUNE)

    On Feb 7, 2017 11:12 AM, "David Skolnik via Piano Technicians Guild" <Mail@connectedcommunity.org> wrote:
    To better visualize your situation, it might help to know the size of the basement space (including ceiling height), as well as the actual level... -posted to the "CAUT" community
    Please do not forward this message due to Auto Login.

    CAUT

      Post New Message
    Re: Air Compressors
    Reply to Group Reply to Sender
    Feb 7, 2017 11:12 AM
    David Skolnik
    To better visualize your situation, it might help to know the size of the basement space (including ceiling height), as well as the actual level of current electrical service available.  Depending upon the extent of natural ventilation, you could expend a considerable amount of your usage on air quality - temperature, dehumidification (you are in GA after all), particulate dust and fumes.  

    Then, of course, there's good lighting and primo sound system.

    ------------------------------
    David Skolnik
    Hastings-on-Hudson NY
    914-231-7565
    ------------------------------
      Reply to Group Online   View Thread   Recommend   Forward  
    ------------------------------



     
    To change your subscriptions, go to My Subscriptions. To unsubscribe from this community discussion, go to Unsubscribe.



    Original Message------

    To better visualize your situation, it might help to know the size of the basement space (including ceiling height), as well as the actual level of current electrical service available.  Depending upon the extent of natural ventilation, you could expend a considerable amount of your usage on air quality - temperature, dehumidification (you are in GA after all), particulate dust and fumes.  

    Then, of course, there's good lighting and primo sound system.

    ------------------------------
    David Skolnik
    Hastings-on-Hudson NY
    914-231-7565
    ------------------------------


  • 18.  RE: Air Compressors

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 02-07-2017 19:33
    Sam,

    Do you currently have a 100 amp or 200 amp service coming into your house? If 100 I can definitely understand why you could have limitations electrically. A 200 amp service should be able to handle just about anything (unless you have a gigantic house wired to the hilt). These days it is usually worth it to have a 200 amp service anyway. Piggyback breakers can extend the effective capacity also, or make room for a 220 circuit if necessary. 

    I agree with advice to let the pro do it unless you absolutely know what you are doing. I can wire a 110 outlet or a light, but when it comes to 220 I let the pro do it. Faster, better, and he knows the codes as well as the tricks of the trade.

    One thing I am a little concerned with is spraying in a basement. HVLP certainly reduces overspray, etc. but you better be prepared to set up exhaust, or figure out a way to do it outdoors. A pain, but it can be done. From what you have said so far it sounds like you have a walkout basement, yes?

    Pwg

    ------------------------------
    Peter Grey
    Stratham NH
    603-686-2395
    pianodoctor57@gmail.com
    ------------------------------



  • 19.  RE: Air Compressors

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 02-07-2017 22:09
    Hi Peter
     
     Actually, I have a 150 service coming into the house. But, I had an electrician evaluate it and he concluded it should be sufficient as long as everything isn't running in the house at the same time. So I think that is very doable. I won't be too concerned about spraying as I will job out the finishing. And, will probably set up some kind of portable spray booth to shoot the plate as I do have a walkout basement. I agree with you. Doing any kind of spraying in the basement would not be good for anyone living here.

    Kamuela "Sam" Haasenritter, RPT
    President: Haasenritter Piano Service, Inc.
    Certified Bosendorfer Technician
    Certified WNG Action Installer
    Registered Piano Technician
    www.hpianoservice.com
    (404) 932-8863 (TUNE)


    On Feb 7, 2017 7:33 PM, "Peter Grey via Piano Technicians Guild" <Mail@connectedcommunity.org> wrote:
    Sam, Do you currently have a 100 amp or 200 amp service coming into your house? If 100 I can definitely understand why you could have limitations... -posted to the "CAUT" community
    Please do not forward this message due to Auto Login.

    CAUT

      Post New Message
    Re: Air Compressors
    Reply to Group Reply to Sender
    Feb 7, 2017 7:33 PM
    Peter Grey
    Sam,

    Do you currently have a 100 amp or 200 amp service coming into your house? If 100 I can definitely understand why you could have limitations electrically. A 200 amp service should be able to handle just about anything (unless you have a gigantic house wired to the hilt). These days it is usually worth it to have a 200 amp service anyway. Piggyback breakers can extend the effective capacity also, or make room for a 220 circuit if necessary. 

    I agree with advice to let the pro do it unless you absolutely know what you are doing. I can wire a 110 outlet or a light, but when it comes to 220 I let the pro do it. Faster, better, and he knows the codes as well as the tricks of the trade.

    One thing I am a little concerned with is spraying in a basement. HVLP certainly reduces overspray, etc. but you better be prepared to set up exhaust, or figure out a way to do it outdoors. A pain, but it can be done. From what you have said so far it sounds like you have a walkout basement, yes?


    Pwg

    ------------------------------
    Peter Grey
    Stratham NH
    603-686-2395
    pianodoctor57@gmail.com
    ------------------------------
      Reply to Group Online   View Thread   Recommend   Forward  
    ------------------------------



     
    To change your subscriptions, go to My Subscriptions. To unsubscribe from this community discussion, go to Unsubscribe.




    Original Message------

    Sam,

    Do you currently have a 100 amp or 200 amp service coming into your house? If 100 I can definitely understand why you could have limitations electrically. A 200 amp service should be able to handle just about anything (unless you have a gigantic house wired to the hilt). These days it is usually worth it to have a 200 amp service anyway. Piggyback breakers can extend the effective capacity also, or make room for a 220 circuit if necessary. 

    I agree with advice to let the pro do it unless you absolutely know what you are doing. I can wire a 110 outlet or a light, but when it comes to 220 I let the pro do it. Faster, better, and he knows the codes as well as the tricks of the trade.

    One thing I am a little concerned with is spraying in a basement. HVLP certainly reduces overspray, etc. but you better be prepared to set up exhaust, or figure out a way to do it outdoors. A pain, but it can be done. From what you have said so far it sounds like you have a walkout basement, yes?

    Pwg

    ------------------------------
    Peter Grey
    Stratham NH
    603-686-2395
    pianodoctor57@gmail.com
    ------------------------------


  • 20.  RE: Air Compressors

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 02-07-2017 20:36
    Peter - In his last post, he said:
    Comprehensive rebuilding work for me means everything with the exception of refinishing which I would job out.
    But earlier, he did, in fact, say:
    I anticipate using the air compressor to spray plates,

    so you're right to remind him of this.   So much depends upon the proximity and disposition of neighbors.  

    ------------------------------
    David Skolnik
    Hastings-on-Hudson NY
    914-231-7565
    ------------------------------