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I do not have experience with the newest P22's, but in my part of the country, easing the balance hole (conservatively!) is routine for new Yamaha uprights.  So is ironing the key bushings, but again, I would not want any more side play that what should be expected for a freshly serviced keyboard.

In my thinking, proper rear weighting is the issue when dealing with key mass in an upright.  I'm not sure how lighter wood would make a difference, other than in terms of strength.  But perhaps someone has some solid data that will open my eyes to something new here.

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Floyd Gadd
Regina SK
306-721-9699
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Original Message:
Sent: 03-08-2017 08:31
From: Linda Scott
Subject: Yamaha P22 query

Hey all,

Is anybody very familiar with theYamaha P22 over the last couple of years?  I have the vague impression that something in the action has changed.  Since I never examined one carefully until yesterday, I don't know if that's true.  What I do notice, is that the keysticks are extremely light, and heavily weighted at the back of the key throughout the keyboard.   Playing it, there's a "too-tight-bushing" feeling I never noticed before (slower repetition; key doesn't follow the finger).  To get rid of that feeling, the keysticks have to be very loose at the bushings...but then their lack of mass still leaves repetition a bit slower than I remember from this piano.

I still like the way it sounds, but am not as pleased with the action as I initially was.  I wonder:  did I just not notice before, or has the keystick design changed?

thanks,

Linda

Linda Scott

pianositter.com

I haven't had much experience with the latest P22s, but I suggest you use a balance rail hole reamer (Part# KCS-1B from PIanotek, available from Renner as well) before using the oblong balance rail hole easing tool. If that doesn't improve the situation consider cleaning & polishing the key pins,  and possibly using teflon powder on the bushing felt &/or iron the bushings.

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Patrick Draine
Billerica MA
978-663-9690
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Original Message:
Sent: 03-08-2017 08:31
From: Linda Scott
Subject: Yamaha P22 query

Hey all,

Is anybody very familiar with theYamaha P22 over the last couple of years?  I have the vague impression that something in the action has changed.  Since I never examined one carefully until yesterday, I don't know if that's true.  What I do notice, is that the keysticks are extremely light, and heavily weighted at the back of the key throughout the keyboard.   Playing it, there's a "too-tight-bushing" feeling I never noticed before (slower repetition; key doesn't follow the finger).  To get rid of that feeling, the keysticks have to be very loose at the bushings...but then their lack of mass still leaves repetition a bit slower than I remember from this piano.

I still like the way it sounds, but am not as pleased with the action as I initially was.  I wonder:  did I just not notice before, or has the keystick design changed?

thanks,

Linda

Linda Scott

pianositter.com

Thanks for your ideas...but I found neither tight balance holes or friction at the keypins.  It's subtle and just a little 'off' what I remember.
Linda

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Linda Scott, RPT
Portland, OR
503-231-9732
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Original Message:
Sent: 03-08-2017 12:11
From: Patrick Draine
Subject: Yamaha P22 query

I haven't had much experience with the latest P22s, but I suggest you use a balance rail hole reamer (Part# KCS-1B from PIanotek, available from Renner as well) before using the oblong balance rail hole easing tool. If that doesn't improve the situation consider cleaning & polishing the key pins,  and possibly using teflon powder on the bushing felt &/or iron the bushings.

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Patrick Draine
Billerica MA
978-663-9690
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Original Message:
Sent: 03-08-2017 08:31
From: Linda Scott
Subject: Yamaha P22 query

Hey all,

Is anybody very familiar with theYamaha P22 over the last couple of years?  I have the vague impression that something in the action has changed.  Since I never examined one carefully until yesterday, I don't know if that's true.  What I do notice, is that the keysticks are extremely light, and heavily weighted at the back of the key throughout the keyboard.   Playing it, there's a "too-tight-bushing" feeling I never noticed before (slower repetition; key doesn't follow the finger).  To get rid of that feeling, the keysticks have to be very loose at the bushings...but then their lack of mass still leaves repetition a bit slower than I remember from this piano.

I still like the way it sounds, but am not as pleased with the action as I initially was.  I wonder:  did I just not notice before, or has the keystick design changed?

thanks,

Linda

Linda Scott

pianositter.com

We have 2 nearly new P22s. EXCELLENT feedback so far. Ironing the bushings with the heated broaches, THEN easing the key holes properly as mentioned above, AND lubricating the key pins (teflon powder is best but you are in a rush, etc applying Mc Lube 444 dry film lubricant carefully with the keys off will also work well) --this is my protocol and it works really well. Also a good idea to lube the captsans with that dry film lube also while you are ar it. Schaff sells Mc Lube 444 in a small bottle with a dobber included. Makes it SUPER easy & SUPER fast. My guess is if you get all this right, etc you/they will be really happy with these pianos. As bad as I hate to admit it we have had much better "luck" with these than our new U1s in our practice rooms. More regulation issues, etc than the P22s. However, our P22s are in professor's studios as opposed to open practice rooms--different setting altogether. Hope this helps. 

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[Kevin] [Fortenberry] [RPT]
[Staff Techician]
[Texas Tech Univ]
[Lubbock] [TX]
[8067783962]
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Original Message:
Sent: 03-08-2017 12:11
From: Patrick Draine
Subject: Yamaha P22 query

I haven't had much experience with the latest P22s, but I suggest you use a balance rail hole reamer (Part# KCS-1B from PIanotek, available from Renner as well) before using the oblong balance rail hole easing tool. If that doesn't improve the situation consider cleaning & polishing the key pins,  and possibly using teflon powder on the bushing felt &/or iron the bushings.

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Patrick Draine
Billerica MA
978-663-9690
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Original Message:
Sent: 03-08-2017 08:31
From: Linda Scott
Subject: Yamaha P22 query

Hey all,

Is anybody very familiar with theYamaha P22 over the last couple of years?  I have the vague impression that something in the action has changed.  Since I never examined one carefully until yesterday, I don't know if that's true.  What I do notice, is that the keysticks are extremely light, and heavily weighted at the back of the key throughout the keyboard.   Playing it, there's a "too-tight-bushing" feeling I never noticed before (slower repetition; key doesn't follow the finger).  To get rid of that feeling, the keysticks have to be very loose at the bushings...but then their lack of mass still leaves repetition a bit slower than I remember from this piano.

I still like the way it sounds, but am not as pleased with the action as I initially was.  I wonder:  did I just not notice before, or has the keystick design changed?

thanks,

Linda

Linda Scott

pianositter.com