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Tool bags - Reviving that age old question

  • 1.  Tool bags - Reviving that age old question

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-18-2017 13:48
    My two year old Special Edition ripstop piano tool bag is falling apart. I like the idea of a soft tool bag. Perhaps I'm just putting too much stuff in it. Anyway, I need to replace it so I would like to revive the question of what tool bag/case do you like for daily carry around? Why?

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    Geoff Sykes, RPT
    Los Angeles CA
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  • 2.  RE: Tool bags - Reviving that age old question

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-18-2017 14:03
    I recently re-visited the Big House from Duluth Trading. It's not as nice for our work as the previous version, but I suspect it will hold up better over time. The new one is simply beefier than the previous. It's not small and when it's loaded it's not light. I carry tuning, regulation, voicing, re-pinning, and cleaning products with it. Very handy but not light.

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    -Phil Bondi
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  • 3.  RE: Tool bags - Reviving that age old question

    Posted 03-18-2017 14:32
    I have a used Big House tool bag for sale. It is in excellent condition and I'd let it go for the cost of shipping. I've retired and no longer need it. Contact me and we can work it out. My number is (573) 747-9665.

    Sent from my iPhone




  • 4.  RE: Tool bags - Reviving that age old question

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-18-2017 20:32
    for the last twenty years or so I've used a Domke F6 camera bag. Not cheap but very durable.
    https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/16014-REG/Domke_700_F6B_F_6B_Ballistic_Bag_Black.html

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    Karl Roeder
    Pompano Beach FL
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  • 5.  RE: Tool bags - Reviving that age old question

    Posted 03-18-2017 21:20
    Hi Geoff,
    i got a vanguard supreme 40f case (just happened to get it for a very low price), but it's way too bulky, however extremely durable: it'll probably last me at least a life time and after that someone else will most likely be able to use it for many more years....  Lots of room for many tools and tuning hammers.  I keep it in the trunk of my car and just take out what i need for my appointments (usually 2 hammers, mutes, SAT IV, two screw drivers, head lamp, and lid prop which i put in my shoulder bag.
    Typically, the bigger the case or bag, the more we tend to put in it.  This is what I use:
    http://www.ebags.com/product/clairechase/jumbo-executive-laptop-briefcase/212255?productid=10130865
    It holds pretty much everything, very sturdy and handy.  It has a shoulder strap and I just happen to like the looks of leather.  Probably the "ballistic" material of a bag as suggested by Karl, will be sturdier but the leather gets more character over time.
    There are lots of soft bags made of the "ballistic" material.  Just see what you typically carry, ask yourself if you need all of that and just don't over-fill 'm.
    Peter

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    Petrus Janssen
    Sharpsburg GA
    678-416-8055
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  • 6.  RE: Tool bags - Reviving that age old question

    Posted 03-18-2017 21:34
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    I've been using this suitcase style bag from home depot. Lots of pockets, lots of space, has wheels and handle.






  • 7.  RE: Tool bags - Reviving that age old question

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-19-2017 01:35
    Geoff,
    I use ebags.com
    I like their "vertical mobile office" which can usually be purchased for $159. I've used mine for 2 years of hard day in day out work. It has held up well. Watch their video demo. EBags (their house brand) makes very well designed and high quality luggage.

    Carl

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    CarlPianoTech.com




  • 8.  RE: Tool bags - Reviving that age old question

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-19-2017 03:31
    I use a case I bought at Staples. Many zippered compartments, tough materials, small handles but also a retracting shoulder strap. It holds a lot and gets pretty heavy, so I often put it into a "versacart" when there's walking to be done. I have a system for putting the zipper pulls centered or not centered so I don't confuse the different areas of it.

    Case is sort of like this.

    Solo Classic Smart Strap Black Polyester Laptop Briefcase (SGB300-4) | Staples®
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    And as I get older, I find the folding Versacart more and more helpful. Holds as much as I want. I can even hang my folding action cart on the handles. (Amazon)  I even wonder if I should buy a spare in case this one wears out. It lives in the back seat.

    https://www.amazon.com/Folding-Shopping-Cart-Versacart-Water-Resistant/dp/B000LPFUG8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1489908589&sr=8-1&keywords=versacart

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    Susan Kline
    Philomath, Oregon
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  • 9.  RE: Tool bags - Reviving that age old question

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-19-2017 12:37
    Soft shell bags seem to be the vogue nowadays, however, for durability I don't think you can beat the old style hard shells.  For one thing they accommodate tool pallets, which let you see at a glance where everything is and if you're missing anything.  These two cases were  bought from APSCO back in the seventies, and have been in use on a daily basis ever since.  Yes, they're terribly beat up, the handles need replacing (again), and I've had to reinforce the corners with aluminum stock and pop rivets, but I haven't found anything yet that I like better.


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    Cecil Snyder
    Torrance CA
    310-542-7108
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  • 10.  RE: Tool bags - Reviving that age old question

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-19-2017 18:45
    Cecil:
    I use a case I purchased about 15 years ago made by Platt. Their cases are made mostly for electronic technicians. Mine's a bit beat up, but I like the hard case style. I had previously used Apsco (Chicago Case) similar model, but the new model seemed cheap, so I returned it. A local electronic tech had a discount from a local electronic supply store, and he purchased it for me for about $175. They're probably a bit more now. Two pallets, with a lot of storage and compartments underneath, and in the top behind the pallet there. Looks real good, and back then I used to get compliments about it. They have lots of options and models to choose from. If you're interested, I'll find the model.
    Good luck.
    Paul McCloud
    San DIego




  • 11.  RE: Tool bags - Reviving that age old question

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-19-2017 15:21
    Hi Geoff

    I use a very inexpensive bag I bought from Costco. The writing on it says "Ciao". I think it was $29 or $39. Because I do a great deal of work in the city and I carry anything and everything I might need, I opted for something that I can roll. I do spend a lot of time carrying it too, though, and I'd guess it weighs at least 40-50lbs. It's held up very well the last 5 years.
    There is a flat zipper pocket inside I can keep paperwork in that I use for Dampp-chaser pads and literature. The flat pocket acts like a divider, so in front of it I can store long thin tools (long screwdrivers, clamps, the Steinway damper tool for neck bends) and behind it is the main luggage cavity into which all my zipper tool pouches go. (Each category of tool bag is a different color because I need fast access to my tools, especially for concert work.)
    There are two side pouches, one I keep tuning tools in, the other contains various types of pliers, wrenches, damper squeezing pliers, etc. There are 3 small front pouches, the top one has a small tin of ibuprofen, pens, spare voicing needles, business cards, etc. The bottom contains a ziplock bag of various kinds of glue, key cleaner, polyester case polishing compound, rags, a small bottle of naphtha.
    Inside is also a mesh zipper pocket that holds my voicing tool, humidity gauge, a few other things.

    The only things that have worn out on this bag are the Velcro that secures the two handles together, and the mesh zipper pocket is ripped. Considering I'm running 4-6 appointments Tuesday-Saturday, with concert work 2-3 Sundays per month, I really think it's held up well. I don't find the nice Genck type cases practical because they can't carry everything I need and they are heavy and awkward to carry for me. I've seen people buy the Swiss bags, and the extending component for wheeling it around broke, and the zipper pouches broke, but mine has held up. Not bad for spending $80-100 less!

    As an aside, my favorite small zipper tool pouch is cylindrical (pencil case from staples or something) and contains a small tool roll with all my regulation tools. I can access anything there just by unzipping the pouch.

    And while we're on the subject of good quality carrying cases, I bought a used turbodiesel VW Sportwagen last summer and to me it is the ideal technician car. Excellent MPG, lots of storage, and the leather/sunroof models unlock if the key is in your pocket- a great feature if you're getting in and out of the car 8x a day.

    I hope this helps!
    Elizabeth




  • 12.  RE: Tool bags - Reviving that age old question

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-19-2017 16:29
    It sounds like you've really devised a good working system, Elizabeth!

    I tried tool pallets for a little while, and tool rolls, but found them both cumbersome. The pallets also add weight.

    Instead, I have some wizard zippered bags (very tough material, a fine stiff black mesh) which Ritmuller was handing out at conventions awhile back. I was around just after the end of a convention and got some extras from them, and Ted Sambell gave me his. One can see through them.

    In my main kit, one bag holds everything resembling a screwdriver. I extended the definition to include a capstan wrench, and the drivers for thin stud regulation. I also have screw holders, the ones with magnets on the far ends. I have a small plastic can with screws for fallboards.

    A second black bag holds "tools", including anything like pliers: bending pliers, needle nose pliers, key easing pliers. Also medical tweezers, letoff tools (I have a dandy old one with a rosewood handle I found in an old upright, and a new one from Jurgen, which has a flexible shaft -- great tool!). A diagonal damper wire bender in the universal handle. The keypin bender for the universal handle. The umbrella rib in a handle to ease damper guide rail bushings, or to put a little VJ lube in to quiet hammer springs on teflon. (Drat that sprayed green teflon! It may be slippery but it certainly is not quiet!) Small vise grips. Small and medium-sized crescent wrenches, the exceedingly helpful Hart spring tool.

    A third black bag holds various action cloth, scrap hammer felt, hammer files, and the wooden slats to support grand hammers for filing.

    With my case from Staples came a soft-sided zippered bag probably intended for writing implements to go with a computer and notebooks. I put everything I need for tuning in it, except the tuning hammer. The tuning hammer, soft-sided case, and Bill Spurlock's lid prop share their own compartment.

    A large ziploc bag in the same large compartment as the three black bags holds everything wet. White glue, small CA glue (and I carry a spare still on cardboard), VJ lube, "vodka" in a dropper bottle, ultrablonde shellac in an old tincture bottle for voicing, talc in a small plastic jar  (I gave up on teflon when I read that it's more toxic than I realized), black markers for scratches on stage pianos, and a small tube of toothpaste for totally filthy keys. Most of these items live in their own smaller ziploc bags.

    Shop towels, the piano atlas, and a large flat flashlight (LED) have another compartment to themselves. Invoices go into the zippered pouch in front. Behind it is a section with lots of pockets and loops, where I put fine felt scissors, small files, another flashlight, a dental mirror, the simpler version of a tension gauge,  -- and in a business envelope Jon Page's immensely ingenious Taut Line Regulation Gauge (don't leave home without one!)

    I picked up an idea in a seminar in Seattle, when Steve Brady brought a German Steinway technician to demonstrate voicing on both NY and Hamburg Steinways. Fascinating. His kit was tiny, and he naturally had to travel with it a lot. Of course, he always was working on just a couple of models of Steinway, mostly D's - so he could bring just a couple of replacement parts. But what really got my attention was that he carried fluids like glue and voicing solution in extremely tiny containers. Despite one of them containing ether (and collodion) he was able to fly with the case because the amounts were so tiny. I realized that anything with liquids in it should be fairly small -- not as small as his, but not nearly as big as I had been carrying. The little white glue bottle about as big as your palm, not the 8 oz. version -- etc. The "vodka" is in a 2 oz. plastic bottle, and even that will last me for months.

    When hauling a big heavy kit stops being reasonable, one can reevaluate what comes into the house and what stays in the car. I decided that spare parts, pinning tools, a punching box, wire and stringing tools, more "wet" containers like polish and scratch remover and Murphy's oil soap (in a six-pack cooler), a hammer shank box, and quite a few other things (like knee pads) could live in the trunk.

    The most important thing, IMO, is to know where everything is. (Where's the sticky travel paper? -- in a film can in the same compartment as the felt scissors. Where are the rubber buttons? The knobs? How about spare agraffes? And spare jack springs? -- all in plastic "assortment" boxes on the floor behind the passenger seat.)

    More than anyone wanted to know -- sorry.

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    Susan Kline
    Philomath, Oregon
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  • 13.  RE: Tool bags - Reviving that age old question

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-19-2017 15:36
    Here is a link to the bag, which now that I'm thinking about it, I bought with the notion that I'd use it while I looked for something better. :o)

    CIAO TRAVEL CASE UNDER-THE-SEAT ROLLING TRAVEL BAG MULTI-POCKETED ZIPPERED CASE | eBay http://r.ebay.com/JKMFSs

    Elizabeth




  • 14.  RE: Tool bags - Reviving that age old question

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-19-2017 16:31
    <<I bought with the notion that I'd use it while I looked for something better. :o) >>

    Life is what happens while we're making other plans.

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    Susan Kline
    Philomath, Oregon
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  • 15.  RE: Tool bags - Reviving that age old question

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-19-2017 17:52
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    My mentor, Wendell E. Eaton, always carried his tools in a doctor's bag. He usually wore a suit to the client's home as well. I have 'followed suit' and have carried a doctor's bag for most of the past 45 years. It has a 'professional' look and very practical as well. 
    http://www.professionalcase.com

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    Rick Butler
    Bowie MD
    240 396 7480
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  • 16.  RE: Tool bags - Reviving that age old question

    Posted 03-19-2017 21:06
    hi Rick,
    does it have compartments, and does it fold out like a toolbox?
    Peter

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    Petrus Janssen
    Sharpsburg GA
    678-416-8055
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  • 17.  RE: Tool bags - Reviving that age old question

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-19-2017 21:50
    I too have used a doctor's bag from day one. My very first teacher told me: "You're a professional...look like one, act like one, dress like one."  Somehow I associated the old doctors bag with that image and have always used it (and dress appropriately too).

    I tend to like the old antique black style. Unfortunately they are harder and harder to find in good condition. I can't bring myself to just buy a brand new one (it just ain't the same to me).

    I modify the inside with a couple of wood trays and a leather pouch that allows me to keep most of my tools vertical and instantly handy. 

    My current bag needs replacement. I have its successor but it needs a "little" attention before I put it into service. I found a guy in England who is a leather restorer who can fix it. Not much success finding a true leather craftsman in the U.S. (at least not one who can restore a doctor's bag properly).

    Pwg

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    Peter Grey
    Stratham NH
    603-686-2395
    pianodoctor57@gmail.com
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  • 18.  RE: Tool bags - Reviving that age old question

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-19-2017 21:59
    Yes, me too. Rick & Peter. Please post pics of the inside of your Dr's Bag. 

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    Geoff Sykes, RPT
    Los Angeles CA
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  • 19.  RE: Tool bags - Reviving that age old question

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-20-2017 05:27
    There are several designs of doctor's bags available. The 'paramedic' bags have compartments. The web site has pictures of the interior. I have various small cloth and vinyl zipper bags that organize the inside of my bag.  My particular bag is, for the most part, open inside except for the zippered pockets on either side. 

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    Rick Butler
    Bowie MD
    240 396 7480
    RichardRichardRichardRichardRichard
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  • 20.  RE: Tool bags - Reviving that age old question

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 04-13-2017 20:56
    Update on tool case quest. I looked at all the recommendations here, even went to the store to check a couple of them out, and nothing I found would work for me and the way I like to have my tools available. Without making any attempt to mimic Henry O. Studley, I built my own. 

    Here is the case I wanted to retire. Compact. Stylish. Expensive.

    CMyPxmeRRiGS69tJYHij_BagClosed.jpg
    I don't think you can see it here but it was falling apart at the seams. Only about two years old. It was also my second one. The first one got returned after less than a year because of the same problem. 

    Here is what that case looked like open from the top

    IZohlSkRqGPrg77zSnaQ_BagOpen-top.jpg
    And here is what it looked like when you flipped it over and opened up the other side

    DowoELvcSPKRZs9ouWjq_BagOpen-bottom.jpg
    It actually holds quite a lot. The major downside of this handy compactness is that inevitably every tool I needed next was on the other side. And it was falling apart.

    Here is what I replaced it with. About $26 at Harbor Freight.

    vc0qHtEcS6KjyHTFpWGk_AluminumCase.jpg
    Here is what it looks like open, new and empty.

    4c0CC0ZhTjWHDQ4jyAN0_AluminumCaseOpen_new.jpg
    I did some modifications to make it work for me, tossing out all the foam and the dividers that came with it.

    Here is what it looks like today, with modifications (almost) complete and all of the tools that were previously in the old case.

    JrW3NdB2QJenaae70cKB_AluminumCase-openModifiedFull.jpg
    AND, I have room left over should I decide to punish myself and add extra weight. The pallet in the lid folds down so I can store paperwork, etc., in there. At the moment all that's back there are a couple of microfiber rags and a soundboard steel.

    The old bag weighed 4 lbs empty and 16 lbs full.
    The aluminum case weighs 5 lbs empty and 17 lbs full. 
    I've gained a whole pound.

    I had one of these cases before but after a couple of years the dividers that came with it just stopped dividing. But the case is almost indestructible. I've been using it for years to carry my collection of universal bass strings, plain wire and wire tools. 

    The modifications I made were to make sturdier and more permanent dividers that were of the right length to divide the case up in a way that I could actually use. The dividers that come with it are useless. 

    Here is a closer look at how I did the dividers. They are made of 1/8" x 3" Basswood covered with a plastic heavy duty industrial liner sheet, that's a little over 1 mm thick, to protect the wood. The dividers have been braced at the end contact locations and epoxied in place. They're solid. 

    SSsAyoMRwGeca6RYINmA_AluminumCase-openModifiedDetail.jpg
    Everything is now so easy to access. No more zipping, flipping and unzipping, and then back again, to get to everything. And the seams aren't going to tear. I'm happy.

    I'll report back in a couple of years with an update on how it's aging.

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    Geoff Sykes, RPT
    Los Angeles CA
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  • 21.  RE: Tool bags - Reviving that age old question

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 04-14-2017 10:10
    Looks good Geoff.

    Aside from the new case looking a bit industrial, it's a nice durable looking alternative to the falling apart at the seams soft sided case you retired.  I'm intrigued by your custom laminate covered dividers.  Great idea!!

    I've been using a laptop bag for years now.  I find them on Craigslist used for about what you paid for your new case.  The current one I'm using is leather and quite nice looking.  I have to  be careful about how much stuff I put in it but that's not all that bad an idea.  Parts are kept in the car in a plastic storage bin or two next to some of the least used tools kept in a Genke case that I hated from day one.  The little punk that stole my car didn't want that case either.  I should have clipped a $20 bill on it.

    Typically after 4 or 5 years the zippers fail on my computer bag and I have to replace it.  It's two sided like your retired one but I don't keep active things in the one side ..... it's full of dividers for paperwork like a portable file.  I keep an extra tuning fork and some of my longer tools in that side.  The more active side is loaded with my daily stuff.

    For about a year I tried using a tool roll to reduce weight but I found myself running out to the car WAY to often.  It was a pleasure to use and sometimes I take something similar on trips but lately I've been more interested in relaxing and getting away from the world I've made a living in for decades.

    Yes, please let us all know how your creation holds up as the year's daily grind beats the crap out of it.  I'm not knocking your choice, just citing reality.  It looks like it will suffice nicely.

    Lar

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    Larry Fisher
    Owner, Chief Grunt, Head Hosehead
    Vancouver WA
    360-256-2999
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