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  • 1.  Voicing for partial development

    Posted 01-07-2014 17:19
    This message has been cross posted to the following Discussions: CAUT and Voicing .
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    Happy New Year!

    During the Christmas Holiday break I read Carl-Johan Forss' well written and translated book Upright and Grand Piano Repair which leads to my inquiry.  On page 492 he writes "The hammers must never be needled so much that the 8th, 9th, and 10th partial are weakened more than necessary."  Further on the following page he writes "It must be possible to identify the first six partials of every note in the piano".  He also notes that "the only usable method of voicing is needling the hammers radially at and around the shoulders."

    He does not elaborate on method to achieve these goals, only that the hammers should be needled radially at and around the shoulders.  Is there a "formula" of where needling should be done to bring out specific partial/partials.  For example, I can look at the partial pattern on a given note with my Verituner.  It shows that the First and Third partials are "weak" relative to others (this is purely hypothetical). 

    Has anyone written and/or published about a methodical approach to development of partials when voicing?  Interested to hear your thoughts.

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    Henry Nicolaides
    Piano Technician
    Southern Illinois University
    Carbondale, Illinois
    email: henryn@siu.edu
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  • 2.  RE:Voicing for partial development

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 01-07-2014 18:09
    That's an interesting way of describing voicing, specifying specific upper partials in discussing voicing criteria. It seems like a good way to be precise, though I can't say I have ever thought of it exactly in those terms, singling out the partials to be listening to. I think more in terms of the hammer "coming up" and producing "brilliance" on harder blows, and that there needs to be a fairly high degree of "brilliance" available in all hammers. But it amounts to the same thing, as it is the upper partials that provide brilliance of tone. 

    Essentially, the core of the felt above the molding needs to be dense enough to produce the higher partials. This is why many voicing instructions tell you never to insert a needle there, and why when lacquering a less dense hammer it is essential that there be plenty of lacquer precisely there. I think it has partly to do with the shape of the deformation of the string caused by a hard blow of the hammer, and that "dense triangle" under the crown is what determines the shape of the deformation.

    I'm not sure about radial insertions being the only possibility. I am more pragmatic. With particularly dense hammers that are hard to penetrate, for instance, I often make the first insertion starting at the surface a little above the bulge of the shoulder (9:30 or so) and the needles go in more or less parallel with the lower shoulder, a 2 - 3 mm below the surface. The next insertion will be more or less parallel to the first, another 2 - 3 mm along, etc. I am gradually opening up the felt from the outside to the inside, making room for the next insertion that is going in deeper into the shoulder. So I do end up with deep insertion into the central portion of the shoulder, but it wasn't all achieved radially. I have found this works quite well, and have seen/heard no down sides. 

    Radially implies that you are inserting directly toward the wooden core. Baldassin, teaching and writing for Renner, recommends aiming for a point within the lowish shoulder felt above the core. It's a different sort of radial, a little eccentric (in the mathematical sense of the word, "off center"). I agree with that approach based on my own experience. This kind of pattern, opening the shoulders of each hammer, will result in a good balance of partials, growing evenly with harder blows so that more high partials are added. The key is consistency and control of what you do, not trying to customize each hammer. Customizing should be just a last step of very minor adjustment.

    When hammers are over needled, whether it is too much close to the crown, too much at the crown, cross stitching, etc, the sound may be very mellow and "beeautiful" but it has no range, no growth. And you would be missing the higher partials if you analyze the tone. Particularly if you do an analysis of tone from ppp to fff - it wouldn't change nearly as much.

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    Fred Sturm
    University of New Mexico
    fssturm@unm.edu
    http://fredsturm.net
    "When I smell a flower, I don't think about how it was cultivated. I like to listen to music the same way." -Federico Mompou
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  • 3.  RE:Voicing for partial development

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 01-08-2014 10:21
    It's a limited view of voicing.  Partial balance is only one aspect of voicing and is influenced by other factors and other voicing concerns.  Overall dynamic range, impedance matching (relationship between attack and sustain phase), partial development, are all things we address in voicing (not to mention evenness and balance--top to bottom--a given).  Addressing one impacts the other and sometimes in a direction we don't want, or can't avoid as do the inherent characeristics of the hammers themselves.  Those in turn determine, to a great degree, our voicing strategies and the limits of the potential outcomes on any given instrument with a given set of hammers:  Can we change the spring rate of the hammer or are we stuck with just creating a density gradient, a faux spring rate, as it were; how do the impedance characteristics force us in a direction that we may not want in an ideal situation; what are the inherent characteristics of a set of hammers that push is in one direction or the other.  Voicing only for partial development leaves many other important issues of voicing unaddressed.

    Come to my class, Structural Voicing, at WestPacIV and we'll talk more about all of these issues as well as strategies for selecting and dealing with different types of hammers. 
     
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  • 4.  RE:Voicing for partial development

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 01-08-2014 16:28
    True, there are a number of other considerations, but I would place "partial development" and "partial balance" at the very top of the list. BTW, I put those two factors in one sentence in my post: "This kind of pattern, opening the shoulders of each hammer, will result in a good balance of partials, growing evenly with harder blows so that more high partials are added." The last phrase is the significant one, and growing is the key word.

    To put it a little differently, partial development is the tonal gradient of the piano, where a larger proportion of the tone is made up of higher partials the louder the note is played, and partial balance can be thought of as a kind of overall average over the whole dynamic range of the piano. Partial development is absolutely critical to the pianist. Many speak of having a tone "ring out" and this is entirely based on the gradient available from each hammer. It goes in both directions: the other hammers need to be able to "get under" while the prominent one (or more) "rings out." The way we needle hammers affects this gradient a lot, making it wider in both directions if done well.

    I'm not sure how "impedance matching" really changes the picture. It has more to do with a choice of the average partial balance than anything else. It is simply a judgment call as to how to address the attack/decay profile of the piano: nothing we can do (in the way of voicing techniques like sticking needles in felt) will make the decay curve significantly different - though I know some voicing instructors who have claimed that they can get "more sustain" by some kind of needling. I haven't found that to be the case, myself. So it is a matter of making the best of what is in front of you.

    Significantly different hammers will require somewhat different approaches, but one assumes Forss is talking about the fairly standard Renner/Abel product and the like: a relatively dense felt, with which most of us are experienced. There is a basic pattern that works well with these hammers, well described in the materials provided by Renner, by Yamaha, by Kawai, etc. They are all pretty consistent with one another, and the techniques produce reliable results.

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    Fred Sturm
    University of New Mexico
    fssturm@unm.edu
    http://fredsturm.net
    "When I smell a flower, I don't think about how it was cultivated. I like to listen to music the same way." -Federico Mompou
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  • 5.  RE:Voicing for partial development

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 01-08-2014 18:46
    Everything interacts, including the impedance of the piano.  The relationship between attack and sustain will be determined in part by the impedance charateristics.  For example, a low impedance system with a heavy and relatively hard hammer will require some heavy needling to get the hammer to absorb unwanted energy that would not do well in the low impedance system.  That needling (plus the mass of the hammer) impacts partial development.  In order to bring the low impedance system under control, in this case, you will sacrifice or at least change the partial balance that you might other wise want.  Similarly on a high impedance system with a light soft hammer you will have to harden it to get more energy to the soundboard.  In doing so you will boost the high partial development because of the combination of hard and light.  You won't be able to avoid that or at least a movement in that directly.  Everything interacts and must be considered as a whole, both selection of hammer and what needling does.

    BTW not all hammers fall into the realm of "standard products".  The Renner/Abel products can be quite different in terms of internal tension, density, type of felt, mass, shape (profile).  Hammers with more tension will react differently to voicing (say shoulder needling) than hammers with less tension or no tension.  For example a lacquered Steinway style hammer doesn't react much at all to shoulder needling. 

    A lot to get into here but that's the gist. 

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    davidlovepianos@comcast.net
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  • 6.  RE:Voicing for partial development

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 01-09-2014 00:01
    Edits to my original post below.  Would be easier if the original message could just be edited permanently.





  • 7.  RE:Voicing for partial development

    Posted 01-09-2014 06:28
    Und ein glückliches neues Jahr to you. Hopefully this discussion will unclose because lack of recognition for the perspective of Forss is perhaps the main reason the much ballyhooed drive for a CAUT endorsement failed. Intimidating some of the most capable techs into silence has its consequences. The most piano technology centered voicing happens on stages featuring a variety of pianists. However, it is to much chagrin acknowledged that concert work is very possible for a mediocre technician to stay mediocre doing. Experience can sometimes teach us the wrong method is effective, and for that reason, can make a terrible teacher. The greater tension created by the plate in a piano string itself augments the possibility for natural harmonics, as that the tension forces the string to vibrate at a narrower arch. The vibrations are multiplied regardless of what the piano technician does to the hammer. To voice the hammer in a way to bring out the fundamental is to fight the piano. It is to make the piano do something it is not designed to do. Love is correct to a degree. Though some stretch the top octave of the piano, it is in the upper range that voicing requires brilliance due to the range and mass of hammers, though it is this type of voicing we associate with that which will bring out partials, in spite of the fact the technician at least moves toward the fundamental when ascending while tuning. Perhaps partials become more prominent when the fundamental of the actual string or note it produces in the string it divides is reproduced by the hardening of the hammer employed not in the note of the upper partial, but the pitch the partial produces in the piano by striking the key, not tuning natural harmonics. Harpsichord tuning is contracted not only due to a lack of range and lower tension, but a plucked string. When a string is plucked and is at a lower tension, it bends more when the vibration is produced. Here, theoretically, not empirically, a hammer with a heavily needled crown produces at a micro level with a higher tension string an effect like this. The string will incline toward a vibration from termination to termination, which is arched wider, rather than the narrower vibration a natural harmonic produces, with a softer crown. A harder core will only reinforce the hammer in this way causing the string to bend further still as that the blow is absorbed initially by the aggressively needled crown, making the fundamental even more prominent on an instrument design for something altogether different. Harder shoulders and crown will produce a glancing blow more likely to bring out natural harmonics, or partials, by driving itself less into the string, and causing an arched vibration with less arch, in more places, without losing bloom, a term preferable to sustain, again, not possible with piano, a non-sustaining instrument, assuming the core is not permeated with a hardening agent. It is conceded that shift pedal voicing on crown improves all around bloom, and color, despite what is sacrificed in the process. The context of the excerpt will say a lot. It is safe to observe that to voice a modern piano with a plate to withstand tension in the strings in a manner to bring out the fundamental is to fight and resist the overall structure. ------------------------------------------- Benjamin Sloane Cincinnati OH 513-257-8480 -------------------------------------------


  • 8.  RE:Voicing for partial development

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 01-09-2014 22:20
    I have never thought of impedance as a separate issue and in those terms (while voicing) - but perhaps I should. My own approach has always been to "see what the piano is capable of" and adapt the voicing level, including the "overall partial balance" (average tone color) and the "partial development curve" (degree to which the tone changes to having more higher partials on heavier blows, and how fast that occurs) to the potential of the piano. But I guess that is really saying the same thing, as it is precisely the same as adaptation to different impedance systems when you come down to it, at least in large part. The impedance determines to a large degree what the "potential of the piano" is.

    In any case, I do think Forss' thoughts on specifying partials that should be heard in every note, and his advice that we should not voice so as to remove those higher partials (8th, 9th and 10th) that give brilliance to piano tone are well taken (and, practically speaking, it means treading very carefully in the crown area). It is a good idea to have some guideposts rather than the notion of some version of "beautiful tone color" that we are trying to achieve, especially when dealing with performance instruments. The concert technician (which really includes all CAUTs) needs to be particularly aware of the need to bring out upper partials on all notes, and needs to develop techniques of voicing that "avoid killing them," something that is fairly easy to do. It is quite a bit harder to preserve the ability to produce the higher partials, while at the same time creating a more mellow pp to mp sound.

    With respect to different techniques for different hammers, I am more struck by the overall consistency of the type of pattern to be applied than by the differences. In most cases it is more a matter of doing more or less of the same procedure than it is one of a different procedure. There are some exceptions, as, for instance, some hammers can be easily "needled up" (made more brilliant) by deep insertions of a particular sort, while on others this has little effect.

    Interestingly, I have found that lacquered hammers respond to deep shoulder needling in a way that is analogous to "hard-pressed" hammers - if they haven't been over-lacquered. By "over-lacquered" I mean hammers where deep insertion of a needle meets great resistance and leaves a hole, to put it in practical terms. Sometimes it can be impossible to insert a needle 10 mm into a shoulder, in an extreme case. In hammers lacquered so that a three needle tool can be inserted with a normal amount of pressure10 mm into shoulders, and when withdrawn the hole has at least partially closed up, I find that normal techniques for hard-pressed hammers do, indeed have an effect that is quite helpful, both in bringing down excess harshness and in developing more range of tone color. It is particularly useful in a piano that has been played quite a while and has become overly harsh (also due to filing and exposing denser felt). I guess I heard someone say once that he had done that successfully, and decided to try it again myself (earlier experiments had seemed to confirm the generally accepted opinion that shoulder needling had no effect). I have done this to a few of my concert instruments with good success. If there is too much lacquer, you need to wash some out first. (Again, confirmed by experiment).

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    Fred Sturm
    University of New Mexico
    fssturm@unm.edu
    http://fredsturm.net
    "When I smell a flower, I don't think about how it was cultivated. I like to listen to music the same way." -Federico Mompou
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  • 9.  RE:Voicing for partial development

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 01-09-2014 23:39
    I would agree that the impedance determines to a large degree what the potential of the piano is.  So does the hammer you start with.  At least, it pushes you in a direction.

    The partial thing is complicated because it depends where in the piano we are talking about.  The 10th partial in the 5th octave is pretty meaningless. 

    When one does a spectrum analysis it is interesting to note that the partial strength can vary note to note depending on, probably, inherent soundboard resonances, impedance charateristics, or other factors.  This is true especially in the lower partials.  It is relatively easy to influence the development of high partials with needling or polishing the crown of the hammer.  Lacquer works on the crown as well but I consider that something undesirable as it will also tend to overdevelop the high partials on a soft blow--something that is a bit bassackwards, IMO.  What is also interesting to note is that the relative strength of the partials may or may not change as you go through the dynamic range (on a single note for example).  That seems to be related to the specific characteristics of the hammer.

    For example, today I worked on a Steinway AIII and a Steinway B (newish) for a new customer who owns both.  The new Steinway B has a set of semi bulky Steinway hammers, lacquer of course.  The AIII has a new action which I installed with a set of Ronsen Weickert Special Felt Low Profile hammers (my design with help from Jack Brand and Ray).  It's a fairly lightweight hammer, much in keeping with the original, cold pressed, of course.  There are some other features as well which I won't get into now.  What is interesting is that when you put the Spectrum analysis on it you find that the New Steinway maintains a fairly consistent relationship between the partials as you climb the dynamic ladder.  The AIII, on the other hand, shows greater development in the upper partials as you move from p to ff.  In other words, the partial balance remains the same on the new B, on the AIII it changes.  It may be interesting to note that the customer in conversation before I revealed this finding to him expressed that while he very much liked the B and the tone that it produced he found himself gravitating to the AIII in large part because he felt that it had a broader color pallette.  I'll let you draw your own conclusions, I have (had) already drawn mine.  The differences in the hammers are fairly obvious in terms of tension, spring-like qualities, mass, as well as felt type (read quality), and, of course, the presence of lacquer and its impact on overall flexibility. 

    I do think that different hammers respond differently and that it has to do with the reactivity of the felt, i.e. the amount of stored tension.  A hammer that has little tension, less spring like quality will not respond in the same way as one that does thus in the process of voicing your procedures and goals are different.  In one case you are relaxing the spring, in the other case you are creating an artificial spring by manipulating a density gradient.  In the former, the felt when needled away from the crown reacts at the crown.  The degree to which it reacts is a function of tension and also the makeup of the felt itself (combination of different fiber lengths perhaps).  In the later case you have to do more needling nearer to the crown (or directly into the crown) because there is no stored tension to release or use.  Thus, the two hammers will have different spring rates, the rate at which the hammer stiffens when subjected to compressive force.  That combined with the differences in mass, shape, etc, mean that the spectral development will also vary.  The pianos will develop a different relationship between volume and partial development. 

    With respect to Steinway hammers responding to shoulder needling I think you are basically correct.  A light application of lacquer will simply stiffen the fibers and with it the spring.  The hammer is stiffer but the full range of it's compression is not yet altered.   Needling in the shoulder still relaxes the spring.  As you add more lacquer you begin to bind everything together and to add density which, in effect, begins to limit the range of compression of the spring.  It bottoms out earlier.  That might be desirable if you are after power.  But it can't help but have an effect on the spring-like quality of the hammer that contributes to how the partials will develop through the dynamic range. 

    No time to proofread so forgive any typos.  There is, of course, more to the story which I hope to present at WestPacIV (Structural Voicing). 

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    David Love RPT
    www.davidlovepianos.com
    davidlovepianos@comcast.net
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  • 10.  RE:Voicing for partial development

    Posted 01-11-2014 11:12
    For the sake of argument hyperbole in both directions toward generalities and particularities can be detrimental to our understanding of the subject. One distinction yet to be made is concerning old vs. new hammers. Without knowing context is it safe to assume Forss is talking about new hammers? Where do piano technicians learn the fine art of crown needling? Is it on the concert stage with a Steinway D, or on an aging 3 generation baby grand with rusty strings the color of poo and hammers with felt hard as krytonite? Grandma must be bitter about something, definitely a dysfunctional family. Isn't that really the setting that turns a piano technician into a miracle worker, not the stage, crown needling? Yet some were depicting crown needling the system of seasoned action rebuilders and concert techs, when it really, in this region, has functioned most optimally as ersatz for tuning, i.e., at that rate instead of tuning, on multi-generation rusting decaying pianos with so much case buzzing that any reduction in sound production will be an improvement; you could needle the hammer from any direction and enhance the sound. Is concert work on new pianos or restored actions really the foundations of crown needling? Certainly, also, there is the context of needling to open the hammer up to consider, to which crown needling almost has the opposite effect. According to the American Steinway World-Wide Technical Reference Guide, p. 14, Steinway began its pre-lacquering process "Beginning First Quarter 2006." Many piano technicians learned to lacquer Steinway Hammers prior. Re-skimming the instructions of Steinway on juicing American Steinway hammers, from what I learned prior to 2006, the recommended methods for lacquering absolutely will require crown needling. The instructions for juicing and the pre-lacquering process seem counter-productive. Oberlin developed a method for lacquering American Steinway hammers before 2006 doing 15 to 20 action jobs a year that made needling not only the crown, but the shoulders, almost completely unnecessary. Needling was to compensate for mistakes and misplaced lacquer. There are regions of the piano, depending on the American Steinway hammer as that it is impossible to make any hammer entirely consistent, in which the crown may require no lacquer at all, and at which, the coeval heavily lacquered and crown needled American Steinway hammer sounds awful comparatively speaking. What is the venue? Another misleading generalization is "lacquer." This aside, the more "standard" hammer with understanding of the limitations generalities pose, if new, is it really designed for crown needling? Isn't crown needling something that becomes more useful as a hammer ages? In those cases of old hammers, is crown needling really the best remedy, or just a quick fix? What about steaming, and hammer softeners? As for partials opposed to the fundamental, where Forss may be guilty of hyperbole is just for that part of the argument, not hammer needling. A strong fundamental may be the most desireable component of voicing in many situations. Chamber music groups with and without voice make names for themselves altering thirds, sixths, and so on so as to make such intervals pure, in order to conceal a vibrating harmonic or partial. If hearing a 5:4 or 6:5 third is so pleasing why do musicians try to conceal them by making these pure? The fundamental becomes more prominent when making a third mean. Isn't this what makes a historical temperament appealing? It is not untenable that the human ear is more inclined to appreciate the fundamental sound of a string than its parts. ------------------------------------------- Benjamin Sloane Cincinnati OH 513-257-8480 -------------------------------------------