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CLP vs Pro Lube

  • 1.  CLP vs Pro Lube

    Posted 02-15-2018 14:26
    Which product better enhances string rendering across the understring felt?

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    Thomas Black
    Decatur AL
    256-350-9315
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  • 2.  RE: CLP vs Pro Lube

    Posted 02-15-2018 15:13
    I don't know if this wI'll help you. But I have followed a variation of Jims advice.  I use delrin under the felt and no glue where the strings contact the felt. Seems to help quite nicely. I think glue under there is problematic.



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  • 3.  RE: CLP vs Pro Lube

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 02-15-2018 21:55
    I mix the two together to get the best of both. Works well for me for a long time.

    Pwg

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    Peter Grey
    Stratham NH
    603-686-2395
    pianodoctor57@gmail.com
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  • 4.  RE: CLP vs Pro Lube

    Posted 02-15-2018 21:57
    Thanks Peter....50/50?

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  • 5.  RE: CLP vs Pro Lube

    Posted 02-16-2018 05:59
    I like to add a little Break Free CLP to Goose Juice CLP. Strings render across the tenor counter bearing felt quite nicely.

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    Jon Page
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  • 6.  RE: CLP vs Pro Lube

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 02-16-2018 09:28
    Not scientific. I think more like 70/30 thin/thick. 

    Pwg

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    Peter Grey
    Stratham NH
    603-686-2395
    pianodoctor57@gmail.com
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  • 7.  RE: CLP vs Pro Lube

    Posted 02-16-2018 10:47
    What's in ProLube? Is it similar to Break Free or Hoppes 9?

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    Jon Page
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  • 8.  RE: CLP vs Pro Lube

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 02-16-2018 12:54
    Are we really sure that felt actually causes a significant amount of friction compared to that of the agraffes or capo bar?
    It's hard to believe. The only time I tried this was on a recalcitrant Baldwin that everyone has tuning. The only effect of the lube was that the felt swelled way up. Didn't tune a bit easier.

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    Scott Cole
    Talent OR
    541-601-9033
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  • 9.  RE: CLP vs Pro Lube

    Posted 02-18-2018 18:19
    The ratcheting is caused mainly by the oxidation on the wire dragging on the felt. One can reduce or eliminate the ratcheting by lubricating the string/felt interface.

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    Jon Page
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  • 10.  RE: CLP vs Pro Lube

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 02-18-2018 12:04
    I never understood the difference between CLP and ProLube. Reading between the lines on the bottle descriptions left me with the impression that ProLube is CLP that has been formulated for spray (spritzer bottle) application.

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    Anthony Willey
    Shoreline WA
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  • 11.  RE: CLP vs Pro Lube

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 02-18-2018 18:27
    I have tried using Protek on balance and front rail pins. It doesn't do the same job as the Prolube. Prolube works much better for that application. Prolube seems to leave a slippery coating on the pins, but Protek does not.
    My experience anyway.
    Paul McCloud
    San Diego




    Anthony Willey
    I never understood the difference between CLP and ProLube. Reading between the lines on the bottle descriptions left me with the impression that ProLube is CLP that has been formulated for spray (spritzer bottle) application.

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    Anthony Willey
    Shoreline WA



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  • 12.  RE: CLP vs Pro Lube

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 02-19-2018 12:29
    The tremendous pressure that the cloth is subjected to eventually results in (as Jon pointed out) the cloth taking on a mirror image of the surface of the wire with oxidation (rust, etc.). Any pits or uneven surfaces have their counterpart in the bearing cloth. Moving the wire produces clicking and jumping as a result. Lubrication smooths this out (at least temporarily). It is a general myth that this phenomenon of jumping wire comes from the agraffe or capo. I'm not saying it CAN'T happen, but the available evidence points to 99% cloth/wire interface.

    Pwg

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    Peter Grey
    Stratham NH
    603-686-2395
    pianodoctor57@gmail.com
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