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Credit card fees

  • 1.  Credit card fees

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-26-2018 11:44
    It is rare that I get asked if I take a credit card.  Maybe once a year.  I do not take credit cards in payment and people are always glad to pay by check or cash.

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    Clarence Zeches
    Piano Service Enterprise School of Technology
    Toccoa GA
    706-886-4035
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  • 2.  RE: Credit card fees

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-26-2018 11:50

    I am cash or check. I have thought about getting set up for a card for anything over $500. Since I'm a CAUT, I rarely get outside jobs that big or refer them to collegues. Too much time! I usually just tune over lunch hours or Saturday mornings.

     






  • 3.  RE: Credit card fees

    Posted 09-26-2018 18:49
    For the most part people pay me with checks or cash but a little while back I discovered that China doesn't have personal checks. We have a pretty large Chinese population here so I was glad I was able to take their credit card! It's nice to have the ability to take cards even though I don't very often. Actually, I'm surprised at how many young people have checks! I have them, but write very few anymore.

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    "That Tuning Guy"
    Scott Kerns
    www.thattuningguy.com
    Tunic OnlyPure, TuneLab & Easy Piano Tuner user
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  • 4.  RE: Credit card fees

    Posted 09-26-2018 19:58
    I have just one client, IBM, who pays by credit card.  Why should I lose money to service one account?  Ergo, I charge my regular fee plus credit card and transaction fee.

    Best,
    Jim





  • 5.  RE: Credit card fees

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-26-2018 21:39
    For those of you who are so adamant about not taking credit cards, I hope you feel the same way about using them.  I presume all of you that don't accept credit cards also don't use them in your everyday activities, like buying gas, groceries, going out to dinner, much less traveling.  

    Paying by cedit cards have become a way of life.  Yes there is a fee, but why not charge extra for all your services and then give a discount for cash or even checks.

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    Willem "Wim" Blees, RPT
    Mililani, HI 96789
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  • 6.  RE: Credit card fees

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-27-2018 00:39
    Awesome point Wim. As of late I've been forgetting to tell people there's a convenience fee, and so don't charge them. I think I'll just drop it all together soon. 

    Plus, I recently redid my website (again), and forgot to put it on the new one. Not a big deal, but after a week of working on it, I'm ready for a break... for a few days at least....

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    Benjamin Sanchez
    Professional Piano Services
    (805)315-8050
    www.professional-piano-services.com
    BenPianoPro@comcast.net
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  • 7.  RE: Credit card fees

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-27-2018 02:07
    I use a debit card, as a convenience, but that's in stores, not to individual business people.

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    Susan Kline
    Philomath, Oregon
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  • 8.  RE: Credit card fees

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-27-2018 03:12
    Susan

    What's the difference? The bank and credit card companies still get their piece of the action, regardless where you use the card.

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    Willem "Wim" Blees, RPT
    Mililani, HI 96789
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  • 9.  RE: Credit card fees

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-27-2018 03:26
    One difference is that I'm never carrying a balance, so I never pay them any interest.

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    Susan Kline
    Philomath, Oregon
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  • 10.  RE: Credit card fees

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-27-2018 16:22
    As several others have said, using cc's can be profitable.  I buy most of my groceries, gas and prescriptions at Costco. I spend. N average if $1100 a month. Then every 3 months I get a check for about $80 from Visa to use any way I want.  Free money.  

    I use a Hawaiian Airlines cc for all my other purchases, including travel, which gives me miles. Over the past 8 years I've flown free to the mainland several times, saving me $500 per trip.  And Ive flown to neighboring island free a bunch of times, again, saving me $150 per trip. That adds up. 

    As as I said before, I'm more than happy to accept cards, not only for my benefit, but my customers, too.

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    Willem "Wim" Blees, RPT
    Mililani, HI 96789
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  • 11.  RE: Credit card fees

    Member
    Posted 09-27-2018 07:59
    Wim,

    In response to your comment...I don't use my credit card unless I have to use it. That, to me, means airline travel, hotel, rental car, and very rarely an online purchase. Honestly, I've never used it for restaurant meals, gas, groceries, etc....

    Deb







  • 12.  RE: Credit card fees

    Posted 09-27-2018 08:46
    Deb, using a cc for all purchases is smart money. I rarely carry cash. Pay the balance every month to avoid interest and you get cash back (with the right card), it's like getting a discount on every purchase, pennies add up.  It's also a good way to track expenses. Don't leave home without it.

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    Regards,

    Jon Page
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  • 13.  RE: Credit card fees

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-27-2018 12:35

    It's a good point that credit card payments are ubiquitous.  I use my debit card a lot.  However, credit card companies can put the screws on small businesses.  Because there are just a few companies involved and a lot of people have just one card, places like restaurants can't drop, say, Visa as a payment option if Visa jacks up their rates.  As a matter of principle, I pass on most of the fee that my payment processor charges to the customer.  My processor charges 2.75%, and I ask my customers for 2%.  Customers who have the card out ready to go often switch to a check to avoid the fee, even well-to-do types to whom the fee should be trivial.  This indicates to me that people perceive it as an issue of fairness.  2% sounds like a lot, even though the actual dollar amount isn't that much.   A check costs a customer maybe 10 cents, and they often have it written when I'm done packing up my tools, so it usually takes less time than using a card. 

     

    My processor charges 2.75%.  Let's say I'm depositing $1000 worth of checks (I usually use a phone app).  Using a card, the fee on this amount would be $27.50.  What exactly is the credit card company doing that has a value of $27.50?  It takes me maybe 10 minutes to deposit $1000 worth of checks, so by taking the checks instead of using the card I'm effectively making over $100 an hour. 

     

    Folding credit card fees into your standard fees to customers is understandable – lots of companies do this dozens of ways.  But then it's a substantial hidden fee that everyone pays, not just the customers that use credit cards.  It seems to me this is something like health insurance.  Employers subsidize health insurance so most people aren't fully aware how much it costs.  I'm aware because I'm self employed, and it's unbelievably expensive.  If people had to pay the full share of their health insurance, they might be more motivated to take action to address health care costs. 






  • 14.  RE: Credit card fees

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-27-2018 07:25
    I've noticed a big surge in the use of Venmo for payment, especially among my clients under age 35 or so.  Much better for the merchant than a credit card, as there are no fees.

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    Kent Burnside, RPT
    Franklin TN
    615.430.0653
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  • 15.  RE: Credit card fees

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-27-2018 07:54
    Mr Burnside,
    I'm baffled by crypto currency in general. Can you explain how one would turn a venmo payment into hard currency?

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    Karl Roeder
    Pompano Beach FL
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  • 16.  RE: Credit card fees

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-27-2018 13:43
    Karl,

    Venmo isn't crytopcurrency.  It's like PayPal, and in fact is owned by PayPal.  The buyer simply pays me via his or her mobile app, after which I use the app on my own device to transfer the money to my bank account.  No cost to either of us, and I have the funds the next day.

    I own some rental properties, and I now use Venmo, PayPal Friends and Family, and Square Cash for all my rent collection.  No more checks or cash, and no cost to me.  Another option is Google Pay, though I don't happen to use that one.  Cheers.

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    Kent Burnside, RPT
    Franklin TN
    615.430.0653
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  • 17.  RE: Credit card fees

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-29-2018 14:47

    Several years ago, I started to accept card payments when a client told me she no longer used checks. For me to get payment from her, she had to call her bank and request a check to be sent to me. I now tell clients I will take payment either way but prefer check. I checked my receipts for last month. About 15% paid by card. Now an increasing number of my clients ask if I take payment by Venmo or other methods of payment. One technician in our area recently told me that Venmo was his client's preferred method of payment. I don't even know how that works but I am thinking I am going to have to find out. I think payment by check is on its way out.

     

    Keith Kopp

     

    801-235-8077

    pianokopp@comcast.net

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