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  • 1.  bleached ivories

    Member
    Posted 09-06-2018 18:07
    Hi folks,

    Has anyone had success bleaching ivories? I'm considering trying it on my stock of ivory heads, which are mostly quite yellow. I figured if I could whiten them up a bit they might be more useful since almost every time I need to replace one, my selection is too yellow to match well. 

    If so, can you share your preferred method?

    Thanks in advance.
    Jeff Farris

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    Jeff Farris
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  • 2.  RE: bleached ivories

    Posted 09-06-2018 18:13
    Paper towels, diluted food grade hydrogen peroxide on a sun shiny day works very well. Do not use too strong a solution as it will eat into the ivory.
    Also on some sets, just sanding and polishing works wonders.





  • 3.  RE: bleached ivories

    Posted 09-06-2018 21:21
    Make sure that they're glued tightly first.

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    Jon Page
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  • 4.  RE: bleached ivories

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-06-2018 22:11
    All of the above.  I've used 30% hydrogen peroxide in the past on a very sunny day with a cotton swab and gloves. Periodically I visit the Basking keytops say about every 15 minutes or so, and reapply with the cotton swab.  Wood bleach the two part stuff has hydrogen peroxide. Wear gloves! Tilt the keys so that they are as 90?? to the Sun as possible. The only time I've had trouble with the solution etching into the keys is when I set them entirely in solution as in no longer attached to the Keys. When they are as white as you would like them to be then polish them to finish the job.

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  • 5.  RE: bleached ivories

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-06-2018 22:56
    Make sure you read the post before commenting.

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  • 6.  RE: bleached ivories

    Posted 09-07-2018 00:09
    Ok, loose ivories. There has been posts on this, check the archives from many years ago. I think it involved turning the heads as they dry so as not to curl. It might have involved an oven to aid the drying process.

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    Jon Page
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  • 7.  RE: bleached ivories

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-07-2018 08:33
    Jeff,

    I have the same issue pretty much, so when I go for a replacement I search through the vast storehouse of ivory and find the best fit (length, width, notch, no chips). Then I will sand first with 600 to see if it starts to whiten (which it usually does). Then I glue it on and sand/polish/fit to match.

    At that point (securely glued on) if sanding does not work well enough, then judiciously apply HP as others have suggested. I did successfully whiten an entire keyboard with HP under a grow light. Slow, but worked great. Just kept applying HP as needed with a rag. 

    Pwg

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    Peter Grey
    Stratham NH
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  • 8.  RE: bleached ivories

    Posted 09-07-2018 19:00

    Hairdressing suppliers have the strongest peroxide you can purchase outside of the medical industry.

    40 volume is what you are looking for and buy the gelled one so it doesn't run all over everything else.

    Ivory can be treated as wood. Sand lightly first to open up the grain then apply and set them out into the sun. When dry, apply again and then dry.

    Wipe down with damp cloth then sand lightly with 320, 400, 600, then buff on the wheel with Tripoli cake. Do the plastic fronts with brasso or toothpaste.

    Bleach will melt ivory so using bleach weakens the product.

    I don't match them any longer. If either side is missing I replace the whole thing head and tail. Matching missing pieces of worn ivory is a futile exercise.

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    Dan Silverwood
    www.silverwoodpianos.com
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  • 9.  RE: bleached ivories

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-08-2018 16:36
    I have read somewhere, perhaps on this list a few years back, that to avoid the ivory pieces curling upon drying to lean them at an angle against a wall or fence so that air flows on both sides of the piece. Since the evaporation happens on top and bottom of the pieces at the same time, the curling does not occur.

    Joe Wiencek