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I just serviced a 2007 Heintzman 132E upright (Chinese-made) with wandering centre pins - hammer, wippen, and jack. Probably damper flanges too, but I didn't check. They have what appear to be metal-lined bushings. Has anyone seen these before? Anything I should know about them when I send a quote for repinning and/or rebuilding the action?


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Peter Stevenson RPT
P.S. Piano Service
Prince George BC
250-562-5358
ps@pspianos.com
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Is it an aluminum foil shim? Never seen that before. Flange replacement or rebushing should be in the estimate.
Repairs are likely to exceed to piano's Fair Market Value.

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Regards,

Jon Page
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Original Message:
Sent: 08-15-2018 11:04
From: Peter Stevenson
Subject: Heintzman metal-lined flange bushings

I just serviced a 2007 Heintzman 132E upright (Chinese-made) with wandering centre pins - hammer, wippen, and jack. Probably damper flanges too, but I didn't check. They have what appear to be metal-lined bushings. Has anyone seen these before? Anything I should know about them when I send a quote for repinning and/or rebuilding the action?


------------------------------
Peter Stevenson RPT
P.S. Piano Service
Prince George BC
250-562-5358
ps@pspianos.com
------------------------------

There is a normal cloth bushing in there, but there is this very thin metal layer on the outside. It could certainly be foil.

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Peter Stevenson RPT
P.S. Piano Service
Prince George BC
250-562-5358
ps@pspianos.com
------------------------------

Original Message:
Sent: 08-15-2018 11:20
From: Jon Page
Subject: Heintzman metal-lined flange bushings

Is it an aluminum foil shim? Never seen that before. Flange replacement or rebushing should be in the estimate.
Repairs are likely to exceed to piano's Fair Market Value.

------------------------------
Regards,

Jon Page

Original Message:
Sent: 08-15-2018 11:04
From: Peter Stevenson
Subject: Heintzman metal-lined flange bushings

I just serviced a 2007 Heintzman 132E upright (Chinese-made) with wandering centre pins - hammer, wippen, and jack. Probably damper flanges too, but I didn't check. They have what appear to be metal-lined bushings. Has anyone seen these before? Anything I should know about them when I send a quote for repinning and/or rebuilding the action?


------------------------------
Peter Stevenson RPT
P.S. Piano Service
Prince George BC
250-562-5358
ps@pspianos.com
------------------------------

I know I'm a little late here, but why would you recommend rebushing over repinning? If the centre pins are walking, it's the bird's eye that's the problem, not the bushing. So wouldn't just replacing the centre pins with larger sizes fix the problem?

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Peter Stevenson RPT
P.S. Piano Service
Prince George BC
250-562-5358
ps@pspianos.com
------------------------------

Original Message:
Sent: 08-15-2018 11:20
From: Jon Page
Subject: Heintzman metal-lined flange bushings

Is it an aluminum foil shim? Never seen that before. Flange replacement or rebushing should be in the estimate.
Repairs are likely to exceed to piano's Fair Market Value.

------------------------------
Regards,

Jon Page

Original Message:
Sent: 08-15-2018 11:04
From: Peter Stevenson
Subject: Heintzman metal-lined flange bushings

I just serviced a 2007 Heintzman 132E upright (Chinese-made) with wandering centre pins - hammer, wippen, and jack. Probably damper flanges too, but I didn't check. They have what appear to be metal-lined bushings. Has anyone seen these before? Anything I should know about them when I send a quote for repinning and/or rebuilding the action?


------------------------------
Peter Stevenson RPT
P.S. Piano Service
Prince George BC
250-562-5358
ps@pspianos.com
------------------------------

( - post deleted after a second look. sorry - )

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Geoff Sykes, RPT
Los Angeles CA
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Original Message:
Sent: 08-15-2018 11:04
From: Peter Stevenson
Subject: Heintzman metal-lined flange bushings

I just serviced a 2007 Heintzman 132E upright (Chinese-made) with wandering centre pins - hammer, wippen, and jack. Probably damper flanges too, but I didn't check. They have what appear to be metal-lined bushings. Has anyone seen these before? Anything I should know about them when I send a quote for repinning and/or rebuilding the action?


------------------------------
Peter Stevenson RPT
P.S. Piano Service
Prince George BC
250-562-5358
ps@pspianos.com
------------------------------

how do you roll tin foil that small ? Would be interesting to know if this exists in other pianos in their line and how many. The cost will add up if all of the centers need new bushings.

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James Kelly
Pawleys Island SC
843-325-4357
------------------------------

Original Message:
Sent: 08-15-2018 11:29
From: Geoff Sykes
Subject: Heintzman metal-lined flange bushings

( - post deleted after a second look. sorry - )

------------------------------
Geoff Sykes, RPT
Los Angeles CA

Original Message:
Sent: 08-15-2018 11:04
From: Peter Stevenson
Subject: Heintzman metal-lined flange bushings

I just serviced a 2007 Heintzman 132E upright (Chinese-made) with wandering centre pins - hammer, wippen, and jack. Probably damper flanges too, but I didn't check. They have what appear to be metal-lined bushings. Has anyone seen these before? Anything I should know about them when I send a quote for repinning and/or rebuilding the action?


------------------------------
Peter Stevenson RPT
P.S. Piano Service
Prince George BC
250-562-5358
ps@pspianos.com
------------------------------

Are you absolutely sure they are cloth bushings? Looks an awful lot like this early 80's Steinway Teflon bushing to me. 

Photo is a little hard to see but the Teflon is encased in metal.

Pwg

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Peter Grey
Stratham NH
603-686-2395
pianodoctor57@gmail.com
------------------------------

Original Message:
Sent: 08-15-2018 13:38
From: James Kelly
Subject: Heintzman metal-lined flange bushings

how do you roll tin foil that small ? Would be interesting to know if this exists in other pianos in their line and how many. The cost will add up if all of the centers need new bushings.

------------------------------
James Kelly
Pawleys Island SC
843-325-4357

Original Message:
Sent: 08-15-2018 11:29
From: Geoff Sykes
Subject: Heintzman metal-lined flange bushings

( - post deleted after a second look. sorry - )

------------------------------
Geoff Sykes, RPT
Los Angeles CA

Original Message:
Sent: 08-15-2018 11:04
From: Peter Stevenson
Subject: Heintzman metal-lined flange bushings

I just serviced a 2007 Heintzman 132E upright (Chinese-made) with wandering centre pins - hammer, wippen, and jack. Probably damper flanges too, but I didn't check. They have what appear to be metal-lined bushings. Has anyone seen these before? Anything I should know about them when I send a quote for repinning and/or rebuilding the action?


------------------------------
Peter Stevenson RPT
P.S. Piano Service
Prince George BC
250-562-5358
ps@pspianos.com
------------------------------

Yeah, it's definitely cloth. The metal bit can pop out showing red bushing cloth. I have been trying to talk to people who have worked on a lot of Heintzmans or have been involved in the factory, and no one knows about this. It's almost like someone in the factory was experimenting with something without telling anyone.

------------------------------
Peter Stevenson RPT
P.S. Piano Service
Prince George BC
250-562-5358
ps@pspianos.com
------------------------------

Original Message:
Sent: 08-27-2018 11:36
From: Peter Grey
Subject: Heintzman metal-lined flange bushings

Are you absolutely sure they are cloth bushings? Looks an awful lot like this early 80's Steinway Teflon bushing to me.

Photo is a little hard to see but the Teflon is encased in metal.

Pwg

------------------------------
Peter Grey
Stratham NH
603-686-2395
pianodoctor57@gmail.com

Original Message:
Sent: 08-15-2018 13:38
From: James Kelly
Subject: Heintzman metal-lined flange bushings

how do you roll tin foil that small ? Would be interesting to know if this exists in other pianos in their line and how many. The cost will add up if all of the centers need new bushings.

------------------------------
James Kelly
Pawleys Island SC
843-325-4357

Original Message:
Sent: 08-15-2018 11:29
From: Geoff Sykes
Subject: Heintzman metal-lined flange bushings

( - post deleted after a second look. sorry - )

------------------------------
Geoff Sykes, RPT
Los Angeles CA

Original Message:
Sent: 08-15-2018 11:04
From: Peter Stevenson
Subject: Heintzman metal-lined flange bushings

I just serviced a 2007 Heintzman 132E upright (Chinese-made) with wandering centre pins - hammer, wippen, and jack. Probably damper flanges too, but I didn't check. They have what appear to be metal-lined bushings. Has anyone seen these before? Anything I should know about them when I send a quote for repinning and/or rebuilding the action?


------------------------------
Peter Stevenson RPT
P.S. Piano Service
Prince George BC
250-562-5358
ps@pspianos.com
------------------------------

Are you sure the metal is not from some kind of extreme flaking of the pin? It has been a while since I first saw your picture, but that was my first thought.

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John Formsma, RPT
New Albany MS
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Original Message:
Sent: 08-27-2018 18:25
From: Peter Stevenson
Subject: Heintzman metal-lined flange bushings

Yeah, it's definitely cloth. The metal bit can pop out showing red bushing cloth. I have been trying to talk to people who have worked on a lot of Heintzmans or have been involved in the factory, and no one knows about this. It's almost like someone in the factory was experimenting with something without telling anyone.

------------------------------
Peter Stevenson RPT
P.S. Piano Service
Prince George BC
250-562-5358
ps@pspianos.com

Original Message:
Sent: 08-27-2018 11:36
From: Peter Grey
Subject: Heintzman metal-lined flange bushings

Are you absolutely sure they are cloth bushings? Looks an awful lot like this early 80's Steinway Teflon bushing to me.

Photo is a little hard to see but the Teflon is encased in metal.

Pwg

------------------------------
Peter Grey
Stratham NH
603-686-2395
pianodoctor57@gmail.com

Original Message:
Sent: 08-15-2018 13:38
From: James Kelly
Subject: Heintzman metal-lined flange bushings

how do you roll tin foil that small ? Would be interesting to know if this exists in other pianos in their line and how many. The cost will add up if all of the centers need new bushings.

------------------------------
James Kelly
Pawleys Island SC
843-325-4357

Original Message:
Sent: 08-15-2018 11:29
From: Geoff Sykes
Subject: Heintzman metal-lined flange bushings

( - post deleted after a second look. sorry - )

------------------------------
Geoff Sykes, RPT
Los Angeles CA

Original Message:
Sent: 08-15-2018 11:04
From: Peter Stevenson
Subject: Heintzman metal-lined flange bushings

I just serviced a 2007 Heintzman 132E upright (Chinese-made) with wandering centre pins - hammer, wippen, and jack. Probably damper flanges too, but I didn't check. They have what appear to be metal-lined bushings. Has anyone seen these before? Anything I should know about them when I send a quote for repinning and/or rebuilding the action?


------------------------------
Peter Stevenson RPT
P.S. Piano Service
Prince George BC
250-562-5358
ps@pspianos.com
------------------------------

it may have been an attempt to prevent the pins from walkout and to keep the bushings from getting pushed out during repinning- a sort of retainer. do you have a picture of one popped out of the flange ? how much bigger is the hole that holds the grommet and felt ? .

------------------------------
James Kelly
Pawleys Island SC
843-325-4357
------------------------------

Original Message:
Sent: 08-27-2018 18:59
From: John Formsma
Subject: Heintzman metal-lined flange bushings

Are you sure the metal is not from some kind of extreme flaking of the pin? It has been a while since I first saw your picture, but that was my first thought.

------------------------------
John Formsma, RPT
New Albany MS

Original Message:
Sent: 08-27-2018 18:25
From: Peter Stevenson
Subject: Heintzman metal-lined flange bushings

Yeah, it's definitely cloth. The metal bit can pop out showing red bushing cloth. I have been trying to talk to people who have worked on a lot of Heintzmans or have been involved in the factory, and no one knows about this. It's almost like someone in the factory was experimenting with something without telling anyone.

------------------------------
Peter Stevenson RPT
P.S. Piano Service
Prince George BC
250-562-5358
ps@pspianos.com

Original Message:
Sent: 08-27-2018 11:36
From: Peter Grey
Subject: Heintzman metal-lined flange bushings

Are you absolutely sure they are cloth bushings? Looks an awful lot like this early 80's Steinway Teflon bushing to me.

Photo is a little hard to see but the Teflon is encased in metal.

Pwg

------------------------------
Peter Grey
Stratham NH
603-686-2395
pianodoctor57@gmail.com

Original Message:
Sent: 08-15-2018 13:38
From: James Kelly
Subject: Heintzman metal-lined flange bushings

how do you roll tin foil that small ? Would be interesting to know if this exists in other pianos in their line and how many. The cost will add up if all of the centers need new bushings.

------------------------------
James Kelly
Pawleys Island SC
843-325-4357

Original Message:
Sent: 08-15-2018 11:29
From: Geoff Sykes
Subject: Heintzman metal-lined flange bushings

( - post deleted after a second look. sorry - )

------------------------------
Geoff Sykes, RPT
Los Angeles CA

Original Message:
Sent: 08-15-2018 11:04
From: Peter Stevenson
Subject: Heintzman metal-lined flange bushings

I just serviced a 2007 Heintzman 132E upright (Chinese-made) with wandering centre pins - hammer, wippen, and jack. Probably damper flanges too, but I didn't check. They have what appear to be metal-lined bushings. Has anyone seen these before? Anything I should know about them when I send a quote for repinning and/or rebuilding the action?


------------------------------
Peter Stevenson RPT
P.S. Piano Service
Prince George BC
250-562-5358
ps@pspianos.com
------------------------------

it is on both an upright hammer flange and grand flange so maybe this was a bad batch of action parts that they decided to jerry rig to save the part . If there are walking pins all over its going to be a major job to repin and rebush . before jumping into this quicksand you should experiment on some - maybe the birdseyes are also oversized.

------------------------------
James Kelly
Pawleys Island SC
843-325-4357
------------------------------

Original Message:
Sent: 08-28-2018 08:11
From: James Kelly
Subject: Heintzman metal-lined flange bushings

it may have been an attempt to prevent the pins from walkout and to keep the bushings from getting pushed out during repinning- a sort of retainer. do you have a picture of one popped out of the flange ? how much bigger is the hole that holds the grommet and felt ? .

------------------------------
James Kelly
Pawleys Island SC
843-325-4357

Original Message:
Sent: 08-27-2018 18:59
From: John Formsma
Subject: Heintzman metal-lined flange bushings

Are you sure the metal is not from some kind of extreme flaking of the pin? It has been a while since I first saw your picture, but that was my first thought.

------------------------------
John Formsma, RPT
New Albany MS

Original Message:
Sent: 08-27-2018 18:25
From: Peter Stevenson
Subject: Heintzman metal-lined flange bushings

Yeah, it's definitely cloth. The metal bit can pop out showing red bushing cloth. I have been trying to talk to people who have worked on a lot of Heintzmans or have been involved in the factory, and no one knows about this. It's almost like someone in the factory was experimenting with something without telling anyone.

------------------------------
Peter Stevenson RPT
P.S. Piano Service
Prince George BC
250-562-5358
ps@pspianos.com

Original Message:
Sent: 08-27-2018 11:36
From: Peter Grey
Subject: Heintzman metal-lined flange bushings

Are you absolutely sure they are cloth bushings? Looks an awful lot like this early 80's Steinway Teflon bushing to me.

Photo is a little hard to see but the Teflon is encased in metal.

Pwg

------------------------------
Peter Grey
Stratham NH
603-686-2395
pianodoctor57@gmail.com

Original Message:
Sent: 08-15-2018 13:38
From: James Kelly
Subject: Heintzman metal-lined flange bushings

how do you roll tin foil that small ? Would be interesting to know if this exists in other pianos in their line and how many. The cost will add up if all of the centers need new bushings.

------------------------------
James Kelly
Pawleys Island SC
843-325-4357

Original Message:
Sent: 08-15-2018 11:29
From: Geoff Sykes
Subject: Heintzman metal-lined flange bushings

( - post deleted after a second look. sorry - )

------------------------------
Geoff Sykes, RPT
Los Angeles CA

Original Message:
Sent: 08-15-2018 11:04
From: Peter Stevenson
Subject: Heintzman metal-lined flange bushings

I just serviced a 2007 Heintzman 132E upright (Chinese-made) with wandering centre pins - hammer, wippen, and jack. Probably damper flanges too, but I didn't check. They have what appear to be metal-lined bushings. Has anyone seen these before? Anything I should know about them when I send a quote for repinning and/or rebuilding the action?


------------------------------
Peter Stevenson RPT
P.S. Piano Service
Prince George BC
250-562-5358
ps@pspianos.com
------------------------------

Maybe it's a secret new process that will revolutionize the piano industry and this was a test piano put out into the field for future research and data collection. 

Or it could be a hidden transmitter sending your every move back to the factory.  Watch out!

😉

Pwg

------------------------------
Peter Grey
Stratham NH
603-686-2395
pianodoctor57@gmail.com
------------------------------

Original Message:
Sent: 08-28-2018 08:20
From: James Kelly
Subject: Heintzman metal-lined flange bushings

it is on both an upright hammer flange and grand flange so maybe this was a bad batch of action parts that they decided to jerry rig to save the part . If there are walking pins all over its going to be a major job to repin and rebush . before jumping into this quicksand you should experiment on some - maybe the birdseyes are also oversized.

------------------------------
James Kelly
Pawleys Island SC
843-325-4357

Original Message:
Sent: 08-28-2018 08:11
From: James Kelly
Subject: Heintzman metal-lined flange bushings

it may have been an attempt to prevent the pins from walkout and to keep the bushings from getting pushed out during repinning- a sort of retainer. do you have a picture of one popped out of the flange ? how much bigger is the hole that holds the grommet and felt ? .

------------------------------
James Kelly
Pawleys Island SC
843-325-4357

Original Message:
Sent: 08-27-2018 18:59
From: John Formsma
Subject: Heintzman metal-lined flange bushings

Are you sure the metal is not from some kind of extreme flaking of the pin? It has been a while since I first saw your picture, but that was my first thought.

------------------------------
John Formsma, RPT
New Albany MS

Original Message:
Sent: 08-27-2018 18:25
From: Peter Stevenson
Subject: Heintzman metal-lined flange bushings

Yeah, it's definitely cloth. The metal bit can pop out showing red bushing cloth. I have been trying to talk to people who have worked on a lot of Heintzmans or have been involved in the factory, and no one knows about this. It's almost like someone in the factory was experimenting with something without telling anyone.

------------------------------
Peter Stevenson RPT
P.S. Piano Service
Prince George BC
250-562-5358
ps@pspianos.com

Original Message:
Sent: 08-27-2018 11:36
From: Peter Grey
Subject: Heintzman metal-lined flange bushings

Are you absolutely sure they are cloth bushings? Looks an awful lot like this early 80's Steinway Teflon bushing to me.

Photo is a little hard to see but the Teflon is encased in metal.

Pwg

------------------------------
Peter Grey
Stratham NH
603-686-2395
pianodoctor57@gmail.com

Original Message:
Sent: 08-15-2018 13:38
From: James Kelly
Subject: Heintzman metal-lined flange bushings

how do you roll tin foil that small ? Would be interesting to know if this exists in other pianos in their line and how many. The cost will add up if all of the centers need new bushings.

------------------------------
James Kelly
Pawleys Island SC
843-325-4357

Original Message:
Sent: 08-15-2018 11:29
From: Geoff Sykes
Subject: Heintzman metal-lined flange bushings

( - post deleted after a second look. sorry - )

------------------------------
Geoff Sykes, RPT
Los Angeles CA

Original Message:
Sent: 08-15-2018 11:04
From: Peter Stevenson
Subject: Heintzman metal-lined flange bushings

I just serviced a 2007 Heintzman 132E upright (Chinese-made) with wandering centre pins - hammer, wippen, and jack. Probably damper flanges too, but I didn't check. They have what appear to be metal-lined bushings. Has anyone seen these before? Anything I should know about them when I send a quote for repinning and/or rebuilding the action?


------------------------------
Peter Stevenson RPT
P.S. Piano Service
Prince George BC
250-562-5358
ps@pspianos.com
------------------------------

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865-986-7720
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Original Message:
Sent: 08-28-2018 12:07
From: Peter Grey
Subject: Heintzman metal-lined flange bushings

Maybe it's a secret new process that will revolutionize the piano industry and this was a test piano put out into the field for future research and data collection.

Or it could be a hidden transmitter sending your every move back to the factory.  Watch out!

😉

Pwg

------------------------------
Peter Grey
Stratham NH
603-686-2395
pianodoctor57@gmail.com

Original Message:
Sent: 08-28-2018 08:20
From: James Kelly
Subject: Heintzman metal-lined flange bushings

it is on both an upright hammer flange and grand flange so maybe this was a bad batch of action parts that they decided to jerry rig to save the part . If there are walking pins all over its going to be a major job to repin and rebush . before jumping into this quicksand you should experiment on some - maybe the birdseyes are also oversized.

------------------------------
James Kelly
Pawleys Island SC
843-325-4357

Original Message:
Sent: 08-28-2018 08:11
From: James Kelly
Subject: Heintzman metal-lined flange bushings

it may have been an attempt to prevent the pins from walkout and to keep the bushings from getting pushed out during repinning- a sort of retainer. do you have a picture of one popped out of the flange ? how much bigger is the hole that holds the grommet and felt ? .

------------------------------
James Kelly
Pawleys Island SC
843-325-4357

Original Message:
Sent: 08-27-2018 18:59
From: John Formsma
Subject: Heintzman metal-lined flange bushings

Are you sure the metal is not from some kind of extreme flaking of the pin? It has been a while since I first saw your picture, but that was my first thought.

------------------------------
John Formsma, RPT
New Albany MS

Original Message:
Sent: 08-27-2018 18:25
From: Peter Stevenson
Subject: Heintzman metal-lined flange bushings

Yeah, it's definitely cloth. The metal bit can pop out showing red bushing cloth. I have been trying to talk to people who have worked on a lot of Heintzmans or have been involved in the factory, and no one knows about this. It's almost like someone in the factory was experimenting with something without telling anyone.

------------------------------
Peter Stevenson RPT
P.S. Piano Service
Prince George BC
250-562-5358
ps@pspianos.com

Original Message:
Sent: 08-27-2018 11:36
From: Peter Grey
Subject: Heintzman metal-lined flange bushings

Are you absolutely sure they are cloth bushings? Looks an awful lot like this early 80's Steinway Teflon bushing to me.

Photo is a little hard to see but the Teflon is encased in metal.

Pwg

------------------------------
Peter Grey
Stratham NH
603-686-2395
pianodoctor57@gmail.com

Original Message:
Sent: 08-15-2018 13:38
From: James Kelly
Subject: Heintzman metal-lined flange bushings

how do you roll tin foil that small ? Would be interesting to know if this exists in other pianos in their line and how many. The cost will add up if all of the centers need new bushings.

------------------------------
James Kelly
Pawleys Island SC
843-325-4357

Original Message:
Sent: 08-15-2018 11:29
From: Geoff Sykes
Subject: Heintzman metal-lined flange bushings

( - post deleted after a second look. sorry - )

------------------------------
Geoff Sykes, RPT
Los Angeles CA

Original Message:
Sent: 08-15-2018 11:04
From: Peter Stevenson
Subject: Heintzman metal-lined flange bushings

I just serviced a 2007 Heintzman 132E upright (Chinese-made) with wandering centre pins - hammer, wippen, and jack. Probably damper flanges too, but I didn't check. They have what appear to be metal-lined bushings. Has anyone seen these before? Anything I should know about them when I send a quote for repinning and/or rebuilding the action?


------------------------------
Peter Stevenson RPT
P.S. Piano Service
Prince George BC
250-562-5358
ps@pspianos.com
------------------------------

This upright is the only piano that I have seen this with - the picture of the grand flange was from a Steinway. And this is the only other picture I took:



------------------------------
Peter Stevenson RPT
P.S. Piano Service
Prince George BC
250-562-5358
ps@pspianos.com
------------------------------

Original Message:
Sent: 08-28-2018 08:20
From: James Kelly
Subject: Heintzman metal-lined flange bushings

it is on both an upright hammer flange and grand flange so maybe this was a bad batch of action parts that they decided to jerry rig to save the part . If there are walking pins all over its going to be a major job to repin and rebush . before jumping into this quicksand you should experiment on some - maybe the birdseyes are also oversized.

------------------------------
James Kelly
Pawleys Island SC
843-325-4357

Original Message:
Sent: 08-28-2018 08:11
From: James Kelly
Subject: Heintzman metal-lined flange bushings

it may have been an attempt to prevent the pins from walkout and to keep the bushings from getting pushed out during repinning- a sort of retainer. do you have a picture of one popped out of the flange ? how much bigger is the hole that holds the grommet and felt ? .

------------------------------
James Kelly
Pawleys Island SC
843-325-4357

Original Message:
Sent: 08-27-2018 18:59
From: John Formsma
Subject: Heintzman metal-lined flange bushings

Are you sure the metal is not from some kind of extreme flaking of the pin? It has been a while since I first saw your picture, but that was my first thought.

------------------------------
John Formsma, RPT
New Albany MS

Original Message:
Sent: 08-27-2018 18:25
From: Peter Stevenson
Subject: Heintzman metal-lined flange bushings

Yeah, it's definitely cloth. The metal bit can pop out showing red bushing cloth. I have been trying to talk to people who have worked on a lot of Heintzmans or have been involved in the factory, and no one knows about this. It's almost like someone in the factory was experimenting with something without telling anyone.

------------------------------
Peter Stevenson RPT
P.S. Piano Service
Prince George BC
250-562-5358
ps@pspianos.com

Original Message:
Sent: 08-27-2018 11:36
From: Peter Grey
Subject: Heintzman metal-lined flange bushings

Are you absolutely sure they are cloth bushings? Looks an awful lot like this early 80's Steinway Teflon bushing to me.

Photo is a little hard to see but the Teflon is encased in metal.

Pwg

------------------------------
Peter Grey
Stratham NH
603-686-2395
pianodoctor57@gmail.com

Original Message:
Sent: 08-15-2018 13:38
From: James Kelly
Subject: Heintzman metal-lined flange bushings

how do you roll tin foil that small ? Would be interesting to know if this exists in other pianos in their line and how many. The cost will add up if all of the centers need new bushings.

------------------------------
James Kelly
Pawleys Island SC
843-325-4357

Original Message:
Sent: 08-15-2018 11:29
From: Geoff Sykes
Subject: Heintzman metal-lined flange bushings

( - post deleted after a second look. sorry - )

------------------------------
Geoff Sykes, RPT
Los Angeles CA

Original Message:
Sent: 08-15-2018 11:04
From: Peter Stevenson
Subject: Heintzman metal-lined flange bushings

I just serviced a 2007 Heintzman 132E upright (Chinese-made) with wandering centre pins - hammer, wippen, and jack. Probably damper flanges too, but I didn't check. They have what appear to be metal-lined bushings. Has anyone seen these before? Anything I should know about them when I send a quote for repinning and/or rebuilding the action?


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Peter Stevenson RPT
P.S. Piano Service
Prince George BC
250-562-5358
ps@pspianos.com
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The metal isn't from flaking, it's more like a foil washer.

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Peter Stevenson RPT
P.S. Piano Service
Prince George BC
250-562-5358
ps@pspianos.com
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Original Message:
Sent: 08-27-2018 18:59
From: John Formsma
Subject: Heintzman metal-lined flange bushings

Are you sure the metal is not from some kind of extreme flaking of the pin? It has been a while since I first saw your picture, but that was my first thought.

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John Formsma, RPT
New Albany MS

Original Message:
Sent: 08-27-2018 18:25
From: Peter Stevenson
Subject: Heintzman metal-lined flange bushings

Yeah, it's definitely cloth. The metal bit can pop out showing red bushing cloth. I have been trying to talk to people who have worked on a lot of Heintzmans or have been involved in the factory, and no one knows about this. It's almost like someone in the factory was experimenting with something without telling anyone.

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Peter Stevenson RPT
P.S. Piano Service
Prince George BC
250-562-5358
ps@pspianos.com

Original Message:
Sent: 08-27-2018 11:36
From: Peter Grey
Subject: Heintzman metal-lined flange bushings

Are you absolutely sure they are cloth bushings? Looks an awful lot like this early 80's Steinway Teflon bushing to me.

Photo is a little hard to see but the Teflon is encased in metal.

Pwg

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Peter Grey
Stratham NH
603-686-2395
pianodoctor57@gmail.com

Original Message:
Sent: 08-15-2018 13:38
From: James Kelly
Subject: Heintzman metal-lined flange bushings

how do you roll tin foil that small ? Would be interesting to know if this exists in other pianos in their line and how many. The cost will add up if all of the centers need new bushings.

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James Kelly
Pawleys Island SC
843-325-4357

Original Message:
Sent: 08-15-2018 11:29
From: Geoff Sykes
Subject: Heintzman metal-lined flange bushings

( - post deleted after a second look. sorry - )

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Geoff Sykes, RPT
Los Angeles CA

Original Message:
Sent: 08-15-2018 11:04
From: Peter Stevenson
Subject: Heintzman metal-lined flange bushings

I just serviced a 2007 Heintzman 132E upright (Chinese-made) with wandering centre pins - hammer, wippen, and jack. Probably damper flanges too, but I didn't check. They have what appear to be metal-lined bushings. Has anyone seen these before? Anything I should know about them when I send a quote for repinning and/or rebuilding the action?


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Peter Stevenson RPT
P.S. Piano Service
Prince George BC
250-562-5358
ps@pspianos.com
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the grand flange did look like a teflon so i misspoke. was this thing only on the ends of the felt or was the bushing cloth inside it ? could this be some type of tubing that is used to insert the bushing cloth that someone forgot to remove ?

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James Kelly
Pawleys Island SC
843-325-4357
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Original Message:
Sent: 08-29-2018 12:09
From: Peter Stevenson
Subject: Heintzman metal-lined flange bushings

The metal isn't from flaking, it's more like a foil washer.

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Peter Stevenson RPT
P.S. Piano Service
Prince George BC
250-562-5358
ps@pspianos.com

Original Message:
Sent: 08-27-2018 18:59
From: John Formsma
Subject: Heintzman metal-lined flange bushings

Are you sure the metal is not from some kind of extreme flaking of the pin? It has been a while since I first saw your picture, but that was my first thought.

------------------------------
John Formsma, RPT
New Albany MS

Original Message:
Sent: 08-27-2018 18:25
From: Peter Stevenson
Subject: Heintzman metal-lined flange bushings

Yeah, it's definitely cloth. The metal bit can pop out showing red bushing cloth. I have been trying to talk to people who have worked on a lot of Heintzmans or have been involved in the factory, and no one knows about this. It's almost like someone in the factory was experimenting with something without telling anyone.

------------------------------
Peter Stevenson RPT
P.S. Piano Service
Prince George BC
250-562-5358
ps@pspianos.com

Original Message:
Sent: 08-27-2018 11:36
From: Peter Grey
Subject: Heintzman metal-lined flange bushings

Are you absolutely sure they are cloth bushings? Looks an awful lot like this early 80's Steinway Teflon bushing to me.

Photo is a little hard to see but the Teflon is encased in metal.

Pwg

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Peter Grey
Stratham NH
603-686-2395
pianodoctor57@gmail.com

Original Message:
Sent: 08-15-2018 13:38
From: James Kelly
Subject: Heintzman metal-lined flange bushings

how do you roll tin foil that small ? Would be interesting to know if this exists in other pianos in their line and how many. The cost will add up if all of the centers need new bushings.

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James Kelly
Pawleys Island SC
843-325-4357

Original Message:
Sent: 08-15-2018 11:29
From: Geoff Sykes
Subject: Heintzman metal-lined flange bushings

( - post deleted after a second look. sorry - )

------------------------------
Geoff Sykes, RPT
Los Angeles CA

Original Message:
Sent: 08-15-2018 11:04
From: Peter Stevenson
Subject: Heintzman metal-lined flange bushings

I just serviced a 2007 Heintzman 132E upright (Chinese-made) with wandering centre pins - hammer, wippen, and jack. Probably damper flanges too, but I didn't check. They have what appear to be metal-lined bushings. Has anyone seen these before? Anything I should know about them when I send a quote for repinning and/or rebuilding the action?


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Peter Stevenson RPT
P.S. Piano Service
Prince George BC
250-562-5358
ps@pspianos.com
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Still think it's a secret transmitter tracking your every move.

Pwg

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Peter Grey
Stratham NH
603-686-2395
pianodoctor57@gmail.com
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Original Message:
Sent: 08-29-2018 22:29
From: James Kelly
Subject: Heintzman metal-lined flange bushings

the grand flange did look like a teflon so i misspoke. was this thing only on the ends of the felt or was the bushing cloth inside it ? could this be some type of tubing that is used to insert the bushing cloth that someone forgot to remove ?

------------------------------
James Kelly
Pawleys Island SC
843-325-4357

Original Message:
Sent: 08-29-2018 12:09
From: Peter Stevenson
Subject: Heintzman metal-lined flange bushings

The metal isn't from flaking, it's more like a foil washer.

------------------------------
Peter Stevenson RPT
P.S. Piano Service
Prince George BC
250-562-5358
ps@pspianos.com

Original Message:
Sent: 08-27-2018 18:59
From: John Formsma
Subject: Heintzman metal-lined flange bushings

Are you sure the metal is not from some kind of extreme flaking of the pin? It has been a while since I first saw your picture, but that was my first thought.

------------------------------
John Formsma, RPT
New Albany MS

Original Message:
Sent: 08-27-2018 18:25
From: Peter Stevenson
Subject: Heintzman metal-lined flange bushings

Yeah, it's definitely cloth. The metal bit can pop out showing red bushing cloth. I have been trying to talk to people who have worked on a lot of Heintzmans or have been involved in the factory, and no one knows about this. It's almost like someone in the factory was experimenting with something without telling anyone.

------------------------------
Peter Stevenson RPT
P.S. Piano Service
Prince George BC
250-562-5358
ps@pspianos.com

Original Message:
Sent: 08-27-2018 11:36
From: Peter Grey
Subject: Heintzman metal-lined flange bushings

Are you absolutely sure they are cloth bushings? Looks an awful lot like this early 80's Steinway Teflon bushing to me.

Photo is a little hard to see but the Teflon is encased in metal.

Pwg

------------------------------
Peter Grey
Stratham NH
603-686-2395
pianodoctor57@gmail.com

Original Message:
Sent: 08-15-2018 13:38
From: James Kelly
Subject: Heintzman metal-lined flange bushings

how do you roll tin foil that small ? Would be interesting to know if this exists in other pianos in their line and how many. The cost will add up if all of the centers need new bushings.

------------------------------
James Kelly
Pawleys Island SC
843-325-4357

Original Message:
Sent: 08-15-2018 11:29
From: Geoff Sykes
Subject: Heintzman metal-lined flange bushings

( - post deleted after a second look. sorry - )

------------------------------
Geoff Sykes, RPT
Los Angeles CA

Original Message:
Sent: 08-15-2018 11:04
From: Peter Stevenson
Subject: Heintzman metal-lined flange bushings

I just serviced a 2007 Heintzman 132E upright (Chinese-made) with wandering centre pins - hammer, wippen, and jack. Probably damper flanges too, but I didn't check. They have what appear to be metal-lined bushings. Has anyone seen these before? Anything I should know about them when I send a quote for repinning and/or rebuilding the action?


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Peter Stevenson RPT
P.S. Piano Service
Prince George BC
250-562-5358
ps@pspianos.com
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