Pianotech

  • 1.  The Beethoven Foundation (501 C3 Organization)

    Posted 04-04-2018 07:15
    Hello fellow piano techs,

    Has anyone had any dealings with an organization called The Beethoven Foundation?  According to their website, this 501 C3 charitable foundation provides free pianos to talented young people by receiving donated pianos and then selling them to raise money.  I have been asked to provide an appraisal for a client who is purchasing one of their pianos.  Any information that anyone can provide will be greatly appreciated.

    Thank you,
    Alicia Shumate, RPT
    Charlotte, NC


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    Alicia Shumate
    Charlotte NC
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  • 2.  RE: The Beethoven Foundation (501 C3 Organization)

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 04-06-2018 09:25
    They approached us as well. They had a very nice Petrof III in great condition that they wanted a donation appraisal on so someone could write it off on their taxes. However, the asked us to appraise it for a specific amount that exceeded $5,000. We didn't disagree the piano could easily be worth what they wanted us to appraise it for, but IRS laws state that for anything valued over $5,000 a certified appraiser has to assess your "Condition Report" on the piano in order to provide a certified value for the object in question. Otherwise, the donation tax write-off will not withstand an audit. If you provide them with an appraisal above $5,000 then you are legally liable if/when the donation value is called into question by the IRS. 

    Needless to say, the Beethoven Foundation bounced faster than a rubber ball when we said they needed to abide by IRS rules and have a certified appraiser (aka a local Lawyer) review our condition report to provide an appraisal for the amount they wanted.

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    Timothy Barnes, RPT

    Owner at the Well-Loved Piano Company
    Owner of the GazelleNetwork.com

    www.Well-LovedPiano.com
    (704) 960-4129
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  • 3.  RE: The Beethoven Foundation (501 C3 Organization)

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 04-07-2018 08:01
    Now THAT'S interesting.

    Pwg

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    Peter Grey
    Stratham NH
    603-686-2395
    pianodoctor57@gmail.com
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  • 4.  RE: The Beethoven Foundation (501 C3 Organization)

    Member
    Posted 04-07-2018 08:25
    I am not so sure a local lawyer is going to be considered qualified as a piano appraiser and his opinion will hold up in tax challenges. There are a number of appraisers that can offer paperwork that will support a legitimate donation and writeoff. Currently someone advertises in the PTG Journal. I have seen letters made up by companies/individuals/technicians with crazy values and I am often asked the value of a piano. Many people want a writeoff for more than an instrument is worth. Same goes for donated anything. people have junk and want a tax deduction. My advice is to refer customers to an certified piano appraiser who can establish values that are realistic and defendable in court. In the end a piano is only worth what a willing seller can agree on

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    James Kelly
    Pawleys Island SC
    843-325-4357
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  • 5.  RE: The Beethoven Foundation (501 C3 Organization)

    Posted 04-07-2018 10:37
    anybody know whether these folks are a scam or legit? What are they up to? It sounds nice, but something rubs me the wrong way.

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    Jim Ialeggio
    grandpianosolutions.com
    Shirley, MA
    978 425-9026
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  • 6.  RE: The Beethoven Foundation (501 C3 Organization)

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 04-07-2018 14:49
    Precisely the reason the IRS set up the more stringent requirements ...people always trying to scam the system. They're not stupid in there, just a little inefficient maybe.

    Pwg


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    Peter Grey
    Stratham NH
    603-686-2395
    pianodoctor57@gmail.com
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