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  • 1.  My Sliding Tuning Pin Height Gauge

    Posted 08-26-2018 17:35
    I came up with this Jig for leveling the height of Tuning Pins. Easy to make and simple to use. I think you'll love it.
    https://youtu.be/0gP3AJYSyu4
    -chris


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    I'd rather be short and fat than tall and skinny.
    chernobieffpiano.com
    865-986-7720
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  • 2.  RE: My Sliding Tuning Pin Height Gauge

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 08-27-2018 06:43
    I bow to you sir.....brilliant!

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    Tom Servinsky
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  • 3.  RE: My Sliding Tuning Pin Height Gauge

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 08-27-2018 08:42
    Chris,

    I like it. Gonna make one myself! Great thinking and application.

    Pwg


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    Peter Grey
    Stratham NH
    603-686-2395
    pianodoctor57@gmail.com
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  • 4.  RE: My Sliding Tuning Pin Height Gauge

    Posted 08-27-2018 09:27
    Nice simple idea.

    I will say, though, as my experiments and understanding of the geometry's effecting compliant front segment behavior comes more precisely into focus, I am choosing, when the geometry calls for it, to set pin height, deliberately, slightly inconsistent.  Actually, occasionally, sometimes more than slightly for individual pins. Some of the conditions that would warrant unequal heights would be:

    1- string and coil interference, defined by factory placement of pin holes in the plate webbing 
    2- depending on the angle of speaking length termination, where there is a short segment between agraffe and the pin, where the front segment first rises to the counterbearing, then aggressively lowers to the pin, over a very short distance. Given a high agraffe termination angle, this path of the front segment forces the front segment to then additionally follow a wide contact radiused area on the counterbearing surface. This increases downbearing and friction on the counterbearing significantly.  This is most common in the  bass and low tenor (grands). Additionally each of the pins of each unison in these places will have different length relationships to the counterbearing, and thus different pin height conditions.

    One of my complaints about the rebuilding community as a whole presenting over simplified goals which folks look for to assess a "quality" installation, is that in making the work conform to this simplified metric..."all pins the same height = good job"...in some cases, on most pianos,  can degrade the most essential aspect of the front segment...that being, setting up the front segment to allow tuners to have compliant  rending. Compliant rendering means the piano can be tuned with great precision and maximized stability.

    Its a great simple idea, and I like it...but I would like to see the goals of setting pin height clearly defined not only visually, but functionally as well.

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    Jim Ialeggio
    grandpianosolutions.com
    Shirley, MA
    978 425-9026
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  • 5.  RE: My Sliding Tuning Pin Height Gauge

    Posted 08-27-2018 09:47
    Thanks for the kind words everyone.
    Good points jim, and this addresses that as well. As you can see in the video it lends itself to doing rows. I was setting a pin height by eye on each end of a row, then evened out a row.
    If you wanted to, the next row could a little higher, and the next row a little higher than the last row to address the longer string lengths of a unison as you stated. In the bass where the diameters are getting larger, I simply shimmed the left block up a little. The key is to target a pin on each end of a row.
    -chris

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    I'd rather be short and fat than tall and skinny.
    chernobieffpiano.com
    865-986-7720
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  • 6.  RE: My Sliding Tuning Pin Height Gauge

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 08-27-2018 11:30
    I can see that your method still allows for intentional variation when desired.

    Pwg

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    Peter Grey
    Stratham NH
    603-686-2395
    pianodoctor57@gmail.com
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