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Corrosion Resistant PAullelo Nickel Plated Wire

  • 1.  Corrosion Resistant PAullelo Nickel Plated Wire

    Posted 03-04-2018 18:28
    Look at this...Paullelo Nickel Plated Wire.  A miscut, that I chucked outside into the metal recycling bin. Out in the open, exposed to and sitting in rain, snow and slush for the last month.  While It will start to show corrosion at some point, with that kind of exposure, this is pretty impressive. You can see just a touch of corrosion happening at the cut end, where it is not plated.

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    Jim Ialeggio
    grandpianosolutions.com
    Shirley, MA
    978 425-9026
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  • 2.  RE: Corrosion Resistant PAullelo Nickel Plated Wire

    Posted 03-04-2018 23:02
    Thanks Jim for posting this. I am starting to think I will have to get some plated XM for stress testing and tone testing.

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    Edward McMorrow
    Edmonds WA
    425-299-3431
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  • 3.  RE: Corrosion Resistant PAullelo Nickel Plated Wire

    Posted 03-04-2018 23:19
    Hi, Ed,

    I, for one, would be very interested in your findings of such testing.

    Thanks very much!

    Kind regards.

    Horace

    On 3/4/2018 8:02 PM, Edward McMorrow via Piano Technicians Guild wrote:
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    > Thanks Jim for posting this. I am starting to think I will have to get some plated XM for stress testing and tone testing.
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    > Edward McMorrow
    > Edmonds WA
    > 425-299-3431
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    > Original Message:
    > Sent: 03-04-2018 18:28
    > From: Jim Ialeggio
    > Subject: Corrosion Resistant PAullelo Nickel Plated Wire
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    > Look at this...Paullelo Nickel Plated Wire.?? A miscut, that I chucked outside into the metal recycling bin. Out in the open, exposed to and sitting in rain, snow and slush for the last month.?? While It will start to show corrosion at some point, with that kind of exposure, this is pretty impressive. You can see just a touch of corrosion happening at the cut end, where it is not plated.
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  • 4.  RE: Corrosion Resistant PAullelo Nickel Plated Wire

    Posted 03-05-2018 10:50
    Nice to see some "old" familiar faces and names (Ed and Horace!) here!

    I remember when, many years ago, Mapes made available plated wire.  I jumped on it and used it in a B I was rebuilding.  While it looked beautiful, over a very short period of time, the plating made it difficult to tune.  This seemed to be caused by interaction between the plating and brass of the agraffes as well as over the "V" bar.  Fortunately, I discovered this while doing the initial chippings and subsequent tunings.  I ended up taking all the wire out and replacing it with non-plated wire.  I've tuned a couple pianos with plated wire, with the same results.

    I'll be very eager to see your findings, Ed!

    Best to you,

    Brian

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    Brian De Tar, RPT
    Portland OR
    503-201-5482
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  • 5.  RE: Corrosion Resistant PAullelo Nickel Plated Wire

    Posted 03-05-2018 11:47
    The old familiar faces in all the old familiar places. You know that line can be read many ways!

    Brian, I had the same experience with plated wire many years in the past. Jim has been using it for some time and not reporting problems so Mesr. Paulello seems to have "plated" the nut correctly.

    I am also wondering if it can be used for wound string core, so I will have to hammer some on the anvil and look at it under the microscope. Then scrape it over a V-bar a few hundred times and look again.

    All the "New" wires are making my imagination run. So may possibilities to explore. I do think further advances in wound strings would make truly wonderful sounding small pianos a reality. There is still a market for that!

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    Edward McMorrow
    Edmonds WA
    425-299-3431
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  • 6.  RE: Corrosion Resistant PAullelo Nickel Plated Wire

    Posted 03-05-2018 13:52
    Ed, Brian, (and, all the other Alte Kachers on the list)....

    While I think that the older Mapes plated wire had a place, I'm not
    always sure where that place might be/have been.

    In general, I had similar experiences to what both of you are reporting.
    On the other hand, in venues in which (believe it or not, rust
    prevention was valued excessively over musical sound) it worked
    surprisingly well. I'm thinking here in particular of a couple of
    formerly well-known So-Cal jazz clubs in which even plated stainless
    steel could rust.

    My problem with the stuff, touched on above, is that it was a very
    different sound than anything with which I wanted to be associated.
    Thin, nasal, tending to break too easily, and, as Brian notes, not all
    that easy to tune. After a while, I gave up and dumped it...ate a few
    restringings just so that I didn't have to listen to it anymore (let
    alone tune it).

    One major difference between the older stuff and the newer is that I
    think that I remember that the Mapes plated wire was done with tin; and
    the newer Paullelo wire is plated with nickel.

    So....Ed, I'm very interested in your findings around the Paullelo
    plated wire.

    Hope that everyone is surviving the encroaching vicissitudes of old age
    while we continue to the fast-receding coattails of youth!

    Kind regards to all ages....

    Horace


    On 3/5/2018 8:47 AM, Edward McMorrow via Piano Technicians Guild wrote:
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    > The old familiar faces in all the old familiar places. You know that line can be read many ways!
    >
    > Brian, I had the same experience with plated wire many years in the past. Jim has been using it for some time and not reporting problems so Mesr. Paulello seems to have "plated" the nut correctly.
    >
    > I am also wondering if it can be used for wound string core, so I will have to hammer some on the anvil and look at it under the microscope. Then scrape it over a V-bar a few hundred times and look again.
    >
    > All the "New" wires are making my imagination run. So may possibilities to explore. I do think further advances in wound strings would make truly wonderful sounding small pianos a reality. There is still a market for that!
    >
    > ------------------------------
    > Edward McMorrow
    > Edmonds WA
    > 425-299-3431
    > ------------------------------
    > -------------------------------------------
    > Original Message:
    > Sent: 03-05-2018 10:49
    > From: Brian De Tar
    > Subject: Corrosion Resistant PAullelo Nickel Plated Wire
    >
    > Nice to see some "old" familiar faces and names (Ed and Horace!) here!
    >
    > I remember when, many years ago, Mapes made available plated wire.?? I jumped on it and used it in a B I was rebuilding.?? While it looked beautiful, over a very short period of time, the plating made it difficult to tune.?? This seemed to be caused by interaction between the plating and brass of the agraffes as well as over the "V" bar.?? Fortunately, I discovered this while doing the initial chippings and subsequent tunings.?? I ended up taking all the wire out and replacing it with non-plated wire.?? I've tuned a couple pianos with plated wire, with the same results.
    >
    > I'll be very eager to see your findings, Ed!
    >
    > Best to you,
    >
    > Brian
    >
    > ------------------------------
    > Brian De Tar, RPT
    > Portland OR
    > 503-201-5482
    > ------------------------------
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    > Original Message:
    > Sent: 03-04-2018 23:24
    > From: Horace Greeley
    > Subject: Corrosion Resistant PAullelo Nickel Plated Wire
    >
    > Hi, Ed,
    >
    > I, for one, would be very interested in your findings of such testing.
    >
    > Thanks very much!
    >
    > Kind regards.
    >
    > Horace
    >
    > On 3/4/2018 8:02 PM, Edward McMorrow via Piano Technicians Guild wrote:
    >> Please do not forward this message due to Auto Login.
    >>
    >> Thanks Jim for posting this. I am starting to think I will have to get some plated XM for stress testing and tone testing.
    >>
    >> ------------------------------
    >> Edward McMorrow
    >> Edmonds WA
    >> 425-299-3431
    >> ------------------------------
    >> -------------------------------------------
    >> Original Message:
    >> Sent: 03-04-2018 18:28
    >> From: Jim Ialeggio
    >> Subject: Corrosion Resistant PAullelo Nickel Plated Wire
    >>
    >> Look at this...Paullelo Nickel Plated Wire.?? A miscut, that I chucked outside into the metal recycling bin. Out in the open, exposed to and sitting in rain, snow and slush for the last month.?? While It will start to show corrosion at some point, with that kind of exposure, this is pretty impressive. You can see just a touch of corrosion happening at the cut end, where it is not plated.
    >>
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    >> Jim Ialeggio
    >> grandpianosolutions.com
    >> Shirley, MA
    >> 978 425-9026
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    > Thanks Jim for posting this. I am starting to think I will have to get some plated XM for stress testing and tone testing.
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    > Edmonds WA
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  • 7.  RE: Corrosion Resistant PAullelo Nickel Plated Wire

    Posted 03-05-2018 16:21
    Edited by Jim Ialeggio 03-05-2018 16:22
    My experience has been only been with the Paullelo plated wire, which is of recent vintage. I have no experience with the older Mapes product.

    I'm real picky about rendering in my pianos, and all I can say, is that these pianos, are compliant pianos to tune, and that I find them easier to tune than the vast vast majority of pianos I service. I spend a fair amount of time altering front segment conditions to make sure the front segment is configured to behave nicely, so that may be part of my experience. But the plating does not flake while being bent, beaten or otherwise man-handled in the string leveling or post stringing dance.

    In my experience, there is no flaking or peeling during loop formation, bends at the hitch, tied single notes, becket forming...ie sharp bends.




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    Jim Ialeggio
    grandpianosolutions.com
    Shirley, MA
    978 425-9026
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  • 8.  RE: Corrosion Resistant PAullelo Nickel Plated Wire

    Posted 03-05-2018 17:20
    I've used tin plated Roslau wire a number of times in high moisture/high salt environments. It's worked quite well and I've not had rendering,breakage or tonal issues on the pianos for which it was used. The biggest problem was that I had to special order it from Pianotek who had to special order it from Jahn. So I had to pay the retail markup on the wire that Jahn had already sold at retail. Having Paulello wire available in the U.S. is a huge boon to our industry.

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    Karl Roeder
    Pompano Beach FL
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  • 9.  RE: Corrosion Resistant PAullelo Nickel Plated Wire

    Posted 03-06-2018 12:37
    I have used the XM wire on the treble of several pianos, mostly in the last 2 octaves.  It is a slightly different sound than the M wire, perhaps a tad less brilliant in my specific applications, but sounded more of a piece with the scale below it.  These pianos breaking percentages were on the high side in the chosen areas.

    I have not used the plated wire, but have heard it on a couple of Jim's pianos.  A slightly different sound, and a very pleasing one.

    On Paulello's website, it says that the nickel amalgamates very closely with the steel, and that one should not expect flaking problems.  It is not like tin.

    Will Truitt

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    William Truitt
    Bridgewater NH
    603-744-2277
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