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  • 1.  open letter #1 on Covid-19

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-14-2020 20:37
    Seems compelling to me. Here's the link, and I'll paste the contents below:

    https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vQuHYLsCvNJuzydGL0H6hbRZhUhFeyYIku8HEg7ZIeZ9HRpzKMuJ0JpVXF46F9En466S2M5k82-GIa5/pub?from=timeline&isappinstalled=0&fbclid=IwAR0XoHtdIdv6Ss0xY-iGmj0wDLOR3u4SHu6Sqdyux1sxf7oYeFeamsp2otU


    Open Letter 1 on COVID-19: The Urgent Need for Aggressive Social Distancing Actions

    By Ninghui Li, Professor of Computer Science, Purdue University

    Originally written 2am, March 9, 2020. ??Last updated March 14, 2020.

    [March 14: I have written Open Letter 2 on COVID-19]

    Goal. ??

    This letter aims at convincing the US Governments and the public about the urgent need to immediately adopt aggressive social distancing??policies??to contain the spreading of COVID-19.

    Executive Summary. [Added Mar 12]

    COVID-19 is extremely contagious. ??Once community spread takes hold in a country or region (which happened in US by late February the latest), the number of cases starts exponential growth, doubling every 3 days or less, until either (1) infecting between 40% to 70% of the population, which should take less than 70 days in the US, or (2) aggressive social distancing practiced are enforced to curb or at least slow its spread. ??Based on current data, COVID-19 is 20 times as deadly as flu, and will result in a very high hospitalization rate. ??Even if just 0.1% of the population (330,000 in US) are infected, the health care system will be collapsing. ??When spreading reaches that point, society and governments will have no choice but to enforce drastic social distancing practices to curb its spread. This is inevitable. ??Acting earlier rather than later will lead to much smaller disruption and economic cost, shorter duration of drastic social distancing, and saving the life of thousands or more people. ??

    Quote??from ???Young and Unafraid of the Coronavirus Pandemic? ??Good for you. ??Now stop killing people.??? ??[Added on Mar 12, the referenced article was published on Mar 11, when Italy has 0.02% infection rate.]

    ???Most of my childhood friends are now doctors working in north Italy. In Milan, in Bergamo, in Padua, they are having to choose between intubating a 40-year-old with two kids, a 40-year old who is fit and healthy with no co-morbidities, and a 60-year-old with high blood pressure, because they don't have enough beds. In the hallway, meanwhile, there are another 15 people waiting who are already hardly breathing and need oxygen.???

    US Case Number Watch

    [UPDATE, added 9pm on 3/9] ??US case number watch, using only non-repatriated cases. ??Prediction starts from number on 3/7, and is based on 27% daily growth, which results in slightly more than doubling every 3 days. (The wiki page lowered the number for 3/7 from 388 to 352 after I entered the predictions; I am keeping the original predictions based on starting from 388.)

    Date

    3/7

    3/8

    3/9

    3/10

    3/11

    3/12

    3/13

    3/14

    3/15

    3/16

    3/17

    3/18

    Prediction

    388

    493

    626

    795

    1009

    1282

    1628

    2068

    2626

    3335

    4235

    5379

    Actual

    352

    495

    643

    911

    1182

    1577

    2184






    Growth


    41%

    29%

    42%

    30%

    33%

    30%






    Facts.

    1. Once community spread takes hold in a country or region, the number of cases increases exponentially, doubling every 3 days or so, unless aggressive social distancing policies are enforced.
    1. See, e.g., number of cases outside China, and in France, Germany, Spain, Switzerland, UK, Netherlands, Sweden, Belgium, Norway.
    2. [Update. March 10.] Exponential growth occurs because the number of newly infected people is proportional to the number of people already carrying it. ??In a simplified model, if each person carrying the virus on average transmits to 0.26 persons per day, the total number of patients will be multiplied by 1.26 each day, and will double every 3 days, which leads to an increase by a factor of 10 in 10 days. ??Starting from 100, it takes 10 days to go to 1000, 20 days to go to 10,000, 30 days to go to 100,000, 40 days to 1 million, 50 days to 10 millions, and 60 days to 100 millions.
    3. [Update. March 10.] ??The spreading of communicative diseases follows the same mathematical models as the spreading of computer worms. ??See studies on how code-red worm, the SQL slammer worm??spreads. ??Once exponential growth starts, it slows down only when getting close to saturation??(almost every target has been infected), unless intervention stops the growth. ??

    See figure. ??

    1. The US case number has been growing exponentially for over a week.?? On Saturday Feb 29, the total number of US cases is 69, including 47 cases originated from the Diamond Princess cruise ship or Wuhan evaluation, and 22??local cases. ??By Saturday Mar 7, the number of local cases rose to 388. ??Within 7 days, the number of local cases increased more than 16 folds, doubling more than 4 times.?? ??
    2. [Added Mar 12] ??Starting with 388 on March 7, it needs to double 19 times to reach 203 millions, which would happen by May 3 when doubling every 3 days. ??(This will not actually happen because people will realize that they cannot afford to let it happen and will have take measures to curb its growth.)
    3. When the number of cases reaches thousands, the sheer volume of patients will overwhelm the healthcare system.?? Hundreds or more people (mostly older citizens) die, and medical workers will suffer greatly. ??See reports on this in S. Korea, ??Italy on Mar 2,??Italy on Mar 7, Europe.
    1. A March 6 Testimony of a Surgeon working in Bergamo,Italy??uses first-hand experience to explain the stress on hospitals and that COVID-19 is not flu.
    2. [Update Mar 12]. ??Doctors in Italy forced to choose who to treat and who to be left dying, and ??A doctor in Western Europe urges people not to kill others by spreading the virus.
    3. [Update Mar 12]. The impending collapse of the medical system is the first thing that forces a government to take drastic actions, no matter how much they don???t want to take them.
    1. COVID-19??has a significantly higher fatality rate than Flu??appears to be about 20 times as deadly as Flu for every age group.?? Flu is estimated to have fatality of 0.1%. ??Estimation of the fatality rate of COVID-19 varies, some numbers are 2.3%??according China???s CDCP, 3.4%??according to the WHO. ??
    1. [Update. Mar 10.] ??Comparison of age-based fatality rates of Flu vs. COVID-19. ??

    Flu

    0 to 17: ?? ??0.01%

    18-49: 0.02%

    50-64:

    0.06%

    65+:

    0.83%

    COVID-19

    10 to 39: 0.2%

    40-49:

    0.4%

    50-59:

    1.3%

    60-69:

    3.6%

    70-79:

    8%

    80+:

    14.8%

    1. According to worldometer, among 66,106 closed cases, there are 3828 deaths, translating to a 5.8% fatality rate. ??This is dominated by data from China. It could be too high, as many people with mild symptoms in China may be self-quarantined and not discovered. ?? [Update. Mar 11.] ??On the other hand, by locking down Hubei province, China limited the numbers of COVID-19 cases in other provinces to be relatively small. ??When hospitals in Hubei are overwhelmed, China mobilized the medical resources of the whole country to treat patients in Hubei. The rate would have been a lot higher otherwise.
    2. The numbers from the other countries with more than 5000 cases??are worrisome. ??As of March 5, S. Korea tested 140,000 cases, with 6000 positive cases, and 33 deaths. ??However, using 33/6000 to claim 0.6% fatality rate??is utterly wrong, since the vast majority of the 6000 cases are still active, and the number of deaths will increase. ??As of March 8, S. Korea has 51 deaths, 166 recovered cases, and 7165 cases being treated. ??S. Korea???s thorough testing means that even patients with mild symptoms are included, yet this yields a tentative fatality rate of 51/(51+166) = 23.5%, which is alarmingly high.
    3. Similarly, as of March 8, Italy??has 366 deaths, and only 622 recovered cases. Iran has 194 deaths for 2134 recovered cases. ??These are the most critical numbers to be watched in the next few days. ??Some scientists claim that there are two strains, with one deadlier, but there is no consensus.
    4. Even for a very conservative estimation of fatality rate of 1%, it would mean 5% to 10% of patients need hospital care, which cannot be provided when it is a pandemic. ??Without adequate medical care, the fatality rate will be higher. ??
    1. Strong social distancing measures, taken by S. Korea??and China, have effectively slowed down, and are on path to stop??the spreading of the virus in China??and S. Korea. ??
    1. Italy was forced to close all schools starting Mar 4, quarantine 16 million people starting Mar 8
    2. [Update, Mar 9]??Italy finally lock down the whole country on Mar 9. ?? Had Italy taken decisive action one week ago, it could have avoided locking down the whole country,??just as China???s locking down Hubei avoided the need for locking down the whole country.
    3. [Update Mar 12].?? Italy close all shops except for food stores and pharmacies on Mar 12.
    4. [Updated Mar 13]. ??On Mar 12, France declared closing of all schools starting Mar 16.
    5. The number of cases in the US is about the same as Italy???s numbers 10 days ago. ??What Italy is doing now, the US is likely to have to follow in 10 days.
    • [Update Mar 12.]?? It was pointed out to me that US has a population that is 5.4 times Italy???s. ??That means, in terms of the number of cases per million people, US is more likely 15 times behind Italy. ??That, doesn???t change the need to act sooner rather than later. ??I also hope that as we can see how is happening in Italy, and soon Spain, France, and Germany, US will act in stages earlier than Italy.
    1. The risk to each individual at this time (i.e., Mar 9) remains low.?? Even if one million people within US are infected, the chance that one person gets it is 1 out of a few hundreds. ??Also, the fatality rates for young people are known to be low. [Correction on Mar 10: see the updated fatality analysis earlier.] ??However, the risk to everyone increases exponentially over time??as the number of cases rises, and the risk to society is very high.??

    Prediction and Justifications.

    Without new decisive containment efforts, the number of confirmed cases in US will increase at least 10 folds in 10 days, to 4000 or more (and possibly as high as 10,000) by Mar 17.??

    1. Every region with cases reaching 400 has been on exponential growth until reaching 4000. ??To go from around 400 to 4000, it took China 6 days, S. Korea 8 days, Italy 9 days, Iran 7 days. ??
    2. In 3 days (from Mar 5 to Mar 8), France case number??grows from 423 to 1126, and Germany??grows from 349 to 847, both significantly more than doubling.
    3. So far, the number of persons tested in the US is low. ??According to the Atlantic, less than 2000 persons were tested as of Mar 6, with 10% positive rate. ??On the Grand Princess cruise ship, out of the first group of 46 tested, 21 were positive. ??These indicate that many people with the virus have not been tested. ??
    4. The virus is highly contagious. ??In New York, one patient leads to dozens of cases. Out of 3700 passengers and crew members quarantined on Diamond Princess, the number of confirmed cases grew from 10 on Feb 4 to 542 on Feb 18. ??
    5. The situation will be dire by the end of March, before warm weather arrives in the northern part of the country. ??And experts say the expectation that COVID-19 will disappear in summer like flu is false hope. ??

    [Updated Mar 14.] ??A lot of social distancing measures have been taken in the US over the last few days. ??Fortunately and unfortunately, exponential growth at the current rate will continue for at least 2 weeks, since many people already carry the virus and have not been identified. ??I say that this is fortunate because social distancing requires the effort of the whole society. ??The continued exponential growth will make more and more people realize the seriousness of the situation, and practice more aggressive social distancing, helping to shorten the period when such measures are needed.

    The Paths Ahead.

    Path A. ?? The US government takes decisive and proactive actions today and leads all countries fighting the potential devastation by COVID-19 in a coordinated effort to enforce aggressive social distancing measures to contain the spread.?? Looking at situations in China, this should be able to contain the virus in 4 to 6 weeks. Life should be able to return to normal by June or July.?? Economy should be able to quickly recover in a few months after that. ??Total number of cases in the US may be in the tens of thousands, with hundreds of deaths. There will be economic and other kinds of pains and suffering, but these are unavoidable.

    Path B.?? Continue the current course of action. ??In no more than two weeks (by Mar 22), the number of confirmed cases will top 10 thousands.?? Health care systems in states starting with Washington, California, New York will be strained like Northern Italy today. ??US government may have to adopt drastic social distancing measures similar to locking down entire cities.

    • The best case scenario is that the spreading can still be contained by these measures to be about 10 to 50 times the size as under Path A, i.e., with hundreds of thousands or a few millions of people infected, and thousands or more deaths. It will take longer for the lockdown effort to be effective because of the scale of spreading. It may be August or September before life can return to normal. And the economic damage will be a lot higher than Path A. ??
    • Worst-case scenario is that spreading cannot be contained, and we are looking at situations predicted by some experts, with up to 70% of the population infected. ??Local communities will still try any conceivable containment method. ??Economic and social activities will be greatly disrupted. At least 20% of the population over the age of 70, as well as significant fractions of other age groups, will die while waiting for medical care, with family members desperately looking on. ??The situation looks to be at least as bad as the Spanish flu. We may be looking at the worst humanity and economic disaster since World War 2. ??The remaining hope after the devastation is that either virus mutates to a milder form, or effective vaccines can be developed before the next wave hits.

    The Choice.

    It appears that US officials have admitted failure in containment??and moved to mitigation; however, it is unclear what is the mitigation strategy. ??The only rational choice is Path A. ??While this brings the disruption to the broader society earlier, the magnitude of the disruption will be less and it will pass quicker. ????Without decisive and aggressive actions now, the government will have to take these or even more drastic measures later, when the virus is much more widespread, which leads to thousands of preventable deaths, health care systems straining to the point of breaking, longer disruption of social and economic activities, and bigger scale of damage to the society and the economy.??

    Every day of delaying means more people die in the end.

    Any measure (economic or otherwise) not dealing with exponential growth is like treating gangrene with band-aid. ??

    [Update on Mar 10] ??Is it Too Late Already?

    Some argued that it is already too late to try to contain the spread COVID-19. ??I believe that this is wrong because at any point during the spreading of the virus before saturation (i.e., around 50% of the population infected), the total cost of aggressive social distancing will be much lower than the alternative. ??This is true no matter 0.001%, 0.01%, 0.1%, 1%, or 10% of the population have already been infected. The cost of total social distancing is largely fixed, but the cost of letting the virus spread will increase proportionally with the size of the infected population. ??The benefit of preventing the infection percentage to go from 10% to 20%, based on 5% fatality rate (which is very conservative because the vast majority of patients can receive no medical care at that point), means saving the life of 1.65 million people in the US (330M * 0.1 * 0.05).

    My estimate is that currently between 0.001% and 0.01% of the population carry COVID-19, while 0.0002% has been tested positive. ??When the number of confirmed cases reaches 0.01% (33,000), which should happen in 3 to 4 weeks if no strong social distancing action is taken, the government and most of the society will realize that the cost of letting the virus spread is not what the society can bear. Drastic social distancing is the only way to go. ??My hope is to wake up the Administration and the public before we reach that point. ?? (If one disagrees with my 3 to 4 weeks time estimation, feel free to replace it with 1 to 2 months. ??It doesn???t change the need to act earlier rather than later.)

    [Mar 14: Some contents that were here have been moved to my Open Letter 2.]

    Who is the Author and Why is He Writing This? ??

    I am a Professor of Computer Science at Purdue University. ??My research area is Security and Privacy. ??I am no medical expert, but I am familiar with the literature on the spreading of computer viruses (the mathematical modelling of which is similar to that of biological viruses), and I have worked with numbers a lot.

    I started looking at COVID-19 numbers on Feb 27 because my son signed up for his school???s Spring break (Mar 14 to 21) trip to Orlando, FL, and I needed to decide whether I would allow him to go. ??While the numbers were low then, the exponential growth of COVID-19 case numbers was obvious. ??While I easily convinced my son that he should not go (he understands the power of exponential growth), I was worried about the trend, and has been following it since. ??Over the last week, my worst-case predictions on the case numbers have been met, and I have seen exponential growths in more and more countries. I have also been discussing these trends with others, and found that few people saw the same things as I did. ??I have resigned to simply sit back and watch the situation develop. ??However, after reading Testimony of a Surgeon working in Bergamo, I was deeply saddened by the suffering described there. ??The doctor???s first-person account turned the abstract numbers in my mind into vivid human suffering. ??I shared my frustration with my friends: ???I am watching a train wreck going to happen, yet can do nothing to help.??? ??Then I realized maybe there is something I could do. If this open letter achieves its goal, thousands of people do not have to die. ??Thus, even if the chance of having any impact is very low, I have to try. ??

    Acknowledgements.

    I thank the following and other friends and colleagues (some chose not to be named) for their valuable suggestions and advice regarding this letter: Hubo Cai, Songlin Fei, Susanne Hambrusch, Fritz Hartman, Faming Liang, Sarah Sellke. ??I emphasize that the opinions expressed in this open letter are entirely my own responsibility. ??

    Originally written 2 am March 9, 2020

    Minor edits were made throughout after the above time. ??Major edits are marked with ??[Update].



  • 2.  RE: open letter #1 on Covid-19

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-15-2020 00:43

    "Even if just 0.1% of the population (330,000 in US) are infected, the health care system will be collapsing."


    I have to point this out. This is a misstatement. If 330,000 are infected, only a small percentage need to be hospitalized. Estimates vary, but if we say 8% of cases need to be hospitalized, that's 26,400 individuals needing to be hospitalized. Across the entire USA. 


    How is that going to overwhelm and destroy the health care system?

    Yes, it's a problem, but it's not the end of the world. Some hospitals treat more patients in a day than that. Even if it was the full 330,000, that’s not even 0.001% of the US population. If our hospitals can’t handle that much, what does that say about the system? (But what else is new when it comes to healthcare?)



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    Benjamin Sanchez, RPT
    Piano Technician / Artisan
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  • 3.  RE: open letter #1 on Covid-19

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-15-2020 01:46
    Hi Benjamin,

    Did you read the Open Letter? The discussion of the implications of exponential growth will answer your question. The author is a computer scientist who studies how computer viruses spread, and he is very adept with calculations and projections. 

    Unchecked, Covid-19 infections double every three days. Start with 100 and double it every 3 days for a month and you will understand why, even though it might seem small right now, it gets very big very fast. And the longer we wait to take measures to interfere with its progression, the very much more devastating will be the costs, both in monetary and economic terms, but more importantly, in social terms, including loss of loved ones. 

    The sooner we take steps to prevent spreading the infection, the fewer people will be lost to the inability of our medical and other systems to deal with the waves of victims. 

    This is a mortal threat to many people, including you and your loved ones. If you love your family and friends, and indeed your countrypersons, you might consider it an act of love to take steps now to prevent giving or receiving Covid-19. A little prevention now is worth tons of cure that doesn't yet exist. 

    Mark Schecter, RPT
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  • 4.  RE: open letter #1 on Covid-19

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-15-2020 12:10
    Hi Benjamin,

    The 2 things I'm getting from your post is that, 1) We need to read carefully and not make assumptions. 2) We need to keep our heads and not panic.

    Having said those two things, I have a feeling the estimates we are given are counting on us taking some precautions. If we blew off social distancing and extra hand washing all together (I hope people wash their hands in the bathroom & kitchen anyway), those estimated numbers might go much higher. We feel safer here in WV because there aren't any reported cases yet (although I haven't checked the news today). I believe this is partly due to people here (in southern WV) not only being insular, but also sparse, and we haven't tested anyone in the state yet. If it does get into our state, the people here will put their insularity and "you ain't from around here" attitude into overdrive. It will not be fun, but it should significantly slow the virus. Regarding health care, we do have some good doctors here but not enough of them. Many aren't taking new patients and the hospital emergency room is always busy. If we needed more doctor care even by a small amount, it truly could be overwhelming as we're moderately overwhelmed right now. My current opinion is what I took from your post: Don't panic but take precautions.

    Maggie

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    Athens, WV
    (304)952-8615
    mags@timandmaggie.net
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  • 5.  RE: open letter #1 on Covid-19

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-15-2020 13:46

    Thank you, Maggie. You summarized the point I was trying to make very well. 


    Critical thinking about the information given is extremely important, especially when it's an emotionally driven subject. Maybe the professor is right about some things, but his doomsday prediction of the healthcare system collapsing is way off. Just accepting things at face value is not wise. Especially, in my opinion, end-o'-the -world predictions.

    (P.S. Anyone remember that the world was supposed to end in 2012?)



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    Benjamin Sanchez, RPT
    Piano Technician / Artisan
    (805) 315-8050
    www.professional-piano-services.com
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  • 6.  RE: open letter #1 on Covid-19

    Posted 03-15-2020 14:10
    For certain the government in the UK is not doing enough. 

    A doctor who is very experienced wrote to me this morning
    I think that your analysis is correct.  There is no value in herd immunity.  It has no value in the goops of viruses that cause colds, and more serious infections.  Influenza has a primary and secondary viraemia and it is the absence of these 2 phases that gives the body little defence.  You can read more learned explanations of this, but the 'dormant' phase of a viral illness is when the immune system can detect and neutralise the threat.  The Rhinoviruses etc bypass this by landing on the target tissue, respiratory epithelium and do their stuff immediately.  Once the pandemic has passed there is no residual reservoir of infection, and it will not return in the same form. 

    A friend reports in Italy that people are dying like flies.

    He sent the following to me this morning. Prof Mantovini is academically qualified and at the coalface of medicine in Milan - https://www.qmul.ac.uk/whri/people/academic-staff/items/mantovanialberto.html 

    Professor Mantovani, la Gran Bretagna ha scelto di non fare nulla contro il coronavirus, puntando sull'immunità di gregge naturale. Che idea si è fatto? 

    «Ho un legame molto forte con la Gran Bretagna dove ho una cattedra e dove mio figlio vive con la sua famiglia. È socialmente difficile accettare di avere vittime in famiglia, ma fa parte del loro modo di affrontare le sfide più difficili. Fatta questa premessa sono sinceramente preoccupato da questa scelta e la trovo irresponsabile».

    È davvero possibile raggiungere l'immunità lasciando correre il virus? 
    «Non amo molto il termine immunità di gregge, preferisco parlare di immunità di comunità, dove è insito il concetto di solidarietà. Non ritengo sia pensabile costruire l'immunità della comunità lasciando correre il virus, è da incoscienti. Bisogna ragionare sul prezzo di una immunità della comunità ottenuta non con un vaccino, ma esponendo come è stato detto, il 60% della popolazione britannica al virus. Ammettiamo, in modo forse ottimistico, una mortalità del 2%. Su un milione di persone vuol dire 20 mila morti; su 10 milioni, 200 mila morti. Ma facciamo un conto ancora più drammatico. Il 10% dei malati ha bisogno di terapia intensiva e respirazione assistita: su un milione di persone servirà a 100 mila pazienti. Nessun sistema sanitario al mondo è in grado di far fronte a un'emergenza del genere. Ci sarebbero troppe vittime e troppi pazienti non potrebbero essere curati». (Qui un approfondimento su che cosa sia, esattamente, l'immunità di greggehttps://www.corriere.it/salute/malattie_infettive/cards/coronavirus-che-cos-l-immunita-gregge-perche-se-ne-parla-gran-bretagna/che-cos-l-immunita-gregge_principale.shtml



    Using Google Translate - 
    Professor Mantovani, Great Britain has chosen to do nothing against the coronavirus, focusing on the immunity of natural flock. What idea did you get? «I have a very strong bond with Great Britain where I have a professorship and where my son lives with his family. It is socially difficult to accept having victims in the family, but it is part of their way of facing the most difficult challenges. Having said this, I am genuinely concerned by this choice and find it irresponsible ». Is it really possible to achieve immunity by letting the virus run? «I do not like the term immunity of flock very much, I prefer to speak of community immunity, where the concept of solidarity is inherent. I don't think it is conceivable to build community immunity by letting the virus run, it's unconscious. One has to think about the price of community immunity obtained not with a vaccine, but by exposing 60% of the British population to the virus, as has been said. Let's admit, in an optimistic way, a mortality of 2%. Out of a million people it means 20 thousand dead; out of 10 million, 200 thousand dead. But let's make an even more dramatic account. 10% of patients need intensive care and assisted breathing: out of a million people, it will serve 100 thousand patients. No healthcare system in the world is able to cope with such an emergency. There would be too many victims and too many patients could not be treated ». (Here an in-depth study on what exactly is herd immunity)

    Best wishes

    David P

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  • 7.  RE: open letter #1 on Covid-19

    Posted 03-15-2020 15:00
    Further - 
    Similar message from someone else in Italy:

    I am writing to you from Bergamo, Italy, at the heart of the coronavirus crisis. The news media in the US has not captured the severity of what is happening here. I am writing this post because each of you, today, not the government, not the school district, not the mayor, each individual citizen has the chance, today to take actions that will deter the Italian situation from becoming your own country's reality. The only way to stop this virus is to limit contagion. And the only way to limit contagion is for millions of people to change their behavior today.

    If you are in Europe or the US you are weeks away from where we are today in Italy.

    I can hear you now. "It's just a flu. It only affects old people with preconditions"

    There are 2 reasons why Coronavirus has brought Italy to it's knees. First it is a flu is devastating when people get really sick they need weeks of ICU – and, second, because of how fast and effectively it spreads. There is 2 week incubation period and many who have it never show symptoms.

    When Prime Minister Conte announced last night that the entire country, 60 million people, would go on lock down, the line that struck me most was "there is no more time." Because to be clear, this national lock down, is a hail mary. What he means is that if the numbers of contagion do not start to go down, the system, Italy, will collapse.

    Why? Today the ICUs in Lombardy are at capacity – more than capacity. They have begun to put ICU units in the hallways. If the numbers do not go down, the growth rate of contagion tells us that there will be thousands of people who in a matter of a week? two weeks? who will need care. What will happen when there are 100, or a 1000 people who need the hospital and only a few ICU places left?

    On Monday a doctor wrote in the paper that they have begun to have to decide who lives and who dies when the patients show up in the emergency room, like what is done in war. This will only get worse.

    There are a finite number of drs, nurses, medical staff and they are getting the virus. They have also been working non-stop, non-stop for days and days. What happens when the drs, nurses and medical staff are simply not able to care for the patients, when they are not there?

    And finally for those who say that this is just something that happens to old people, starting yesterday the hospitals are reporting that younger and younger patients – 40, 45, 18, are coming in for treatment.

    You have a chance to make a difference and stop the spread in your country. Push for the entire office to work at home today, cancel birthday parties, and other gatherings, stay home as much as you can. If you have a fever, any fever, stay home. Push for school closures, now. Anything you can do to stop the spread, because it is spreading in your communities – there is a two week incubation period – and if you do these things now you can buy your medical system time.

    And for those who say it is not possible to close the schools, and do all these other things, locking down Italy was beyond anyone's imagination a week ago.

    Soon you will not have a choice, so do what you can now.

    Please share.

    Regards,



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    David Pinnegar BSc ARCS
    Hammerwood Park, East Grinstead, Sussex, UK
    +44 1342 850594
    "High Definition" Tuning
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  • 8.  RE: open letter #1 on Covid-19

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-15-2020 15:18
    Here is Governor Cuomo addressing the issue of the strain on the health care system. It came out minutes ago.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwAa2GKmm2Y

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    Susan Kline
    Philomath, Oregon
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  • 9.  RE: open letter #1 on Covid-19

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-17-2020 06:43
    Thanks for that, Susan. This kind of level headed evaluation is much needed when the populous sees this in such varying degrees, from conspiracy theories to doomsday panic. I'm not saying it's a bad thing to take extreme precautions; I'm saying panic while taking precautions doesn't help anyone.

    Benjamin - I think this and David's post puts your position about the healthcare system in perspective. Our hospitals here in southern WV could not cope with a sudden influx, but they MIGHT be able to handle a small increase maintained over time.

    David - I've never heard a term like "herd immunity" used in this context. In my region, it is used between the pro & anti vaccination communities to mean that so many are vaccinated, the few that aren't are less likely to get sick. Definitions aside, by our use of the term, there is no herd immunity until a vaccination is created. There may be herd immunity to chicken pox once everyone gets it (although shingles can follow), but there was never a herd immunity effect with polio, measles, small pox, etc. I think that is very naive.

    It is ironic that I'm not more on the panicked end of this because I'm an extreme pro-vaccination person, having been raised by a father who lost a brother to measles and was one of the lucky ones to survive a scarlet fever outbreak in Milwaukee in the mid 20's.

    I'm trying to be practical & level headed, and so far, according to the CDC, my current practices are OK, although isolation would still be best. I'm not there yet; hope it's not poor judgement.

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    Maggie Jusiel
    Athens, WV
    (304)952-8615
    mags@timandmaggie.net
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  • 10.  RE: open letter #1 on Covid-19

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-17-2020 12:20
    Sooo... I just listened to this:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/17/podcasts/the-daily/italy-coronavirus.html




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    Maggie Jusiel
    Athens, WV
    (304)952-8615
    mags@timandmaggie.net
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  • 11.  RE: open letter #1 on Covid-19

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-17-2020 16:40
    Hi, Maggie

    Probably the lack of isolation requests or demands is because West Virginia is one of the states with the lowest case numbers. Of course we are all running blind because of the lack of testing.

    Oregon is just about completely shut down now. Universities and grade schools closed. Restaurants only allowed to deliver food, not to let anyone eat in them. Everyone advised to stay home and isolated, not just the elderly or ill. It's not a lock down, though there is a ban on public meetings. All the churches have stopped holding services. Some are streaming services they recorded earlier on the net.

    We are not in lock down, it is voluntary, but the place is extremely quiet. I don't hear any traffic at all. A very quiet sunny spring day.

    I heard San Francisco may institute a lock down. It has finally sunk in that the earlier we act the fewer people will die, and every day counts. China fortunately has proven that very strict measures do work.

    Yesterday I finally made a trip to the coop which I'd been putting off for days. I now have 15 gallons of filtered water, and about three weeks worth of groceries. (Lots of work, shopping for three weeks of groceries then getting them inside.) I also have my previous emergency rations, which I put in place in case the Northwest got that huge subduction earthquake, the 9.0 full rip like in 1700. I have a chest freezer full of local grassfed beef, and I have some large mason jars of white rice.

    Best wishes to all -- do stay safe. I have lots and lots of good things to do here at home, and now finally I have time to do them. I think kthat it may be four or five months before tuning pianos will start up again.

    P.S. Benjamin --- there is no long-term shortage of toilet paper. It should be resupplied very soon. There probably will be shelves groaning under it, because all those people who took home so much won't be buying it for a long time.

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    Susan Kline
    Philomath, Oregon
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  • 12.  RE: open letter #1 on Covid-19

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-17-2020 18:39
    Hi Susan - Yes, WV has the lowest numbers and the only known cases are in the northern panhandles which are considered non-WestVirginian by those in the southern half of the state. ;-)  There is zero testing down here, so regardless of what the actual numbers are, everyone believes we don't have it. That is potentially dangerous, but I don't see it yet, either...yet. I'm still hesitantly letting my customers decide. I can't imagine going long without tuning, but I plan to tap into my lesson waiting list soon. Glad I have it! I already have 2 students who will start online lessons this Thursday for different reasons. I figure the rest will follow eventually. If I lose too much income, I may have to borrow to go to the convention, IF it happens. We'll just have to wait and see.

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    Maggie Jusiel
    Athens, WV
    (304)952-8615
    mags@timandmaggie.net
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  • 13.  RE: open letter #1 on Covid-19

    Posted 03-17-2020 19:07
    Please please please don't consider gathering at a convention.

    And please wherever you are, it's about or about to be about.

    Today I spoke on the phone to a friend of my concert pianist friend in Italy. He lives in Bergamo. He said that it's only when you hear that a friend's died, and another, and another, that the true enormity of what we're facing sinks in. He says that the hospital there is one of the biggest and most technically advanced, and that instead of doing its normal cutting edge work, it's simply full of the dying. And it's so full that anyone else simply dies at home. I have a copy of the manual sent to doctors last Friday which puts 17% as having symptoms which are SEVERE.

    He warns:
    "A friend in Italy warns - what you experience in two weeks' time will result from what you did today. And tomorrow. Were the people at supermarket checkouts wearing masks? Washing their hands? Did you wash your hands every half hour? Were you wearing a mask? FROM TOMORROW AT LEAST, STAY AT HOME! Did they handle the things you bought with hands that had handled things for others who had handled them? Did you handle petrol pump handles? Did you wash your hands immediately? Hope that neither you nor I picked it up today but FROM TOMORROW AT LEAST, STAY AT HOME!"

    So please take this matter very seriously no matter how little you can see its dangers at this stage. In two weeks time you might well see them and wish you'd have taken notice today.

    Best wishes

    David P

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  • 14.  RE: open letter #1 on Covid-19

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-17-2020 20:09

    David,

    Pause for a minute, let's not cancel the convention quite yet. I heard on the radio today that COVID-19 does not do well in heat (over 90% Fahrenheit) or in high humidity areas. If this proves to be the case, most of this will have blown over by July in most places of the U.S., in some places May or June. 


    If this is true, there's no need to cancel the convention. It would have died beforehand. 


    So... if anyone wants to avoid coronavirus altogether, buy an airline ticket for dirt cheap and head somewhere with high heat and humidity. Hawaii sounds inviting....



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    Benjamin Sanchez, RPT
    Piano Technician / Artisan
    (805) 315-8050
    www.professional-piano-services.com
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  • 15.  RE: open letter #1 on Covid-19

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-18-2020 00:51

    Benjamin

    There's no evidence that the virus doesn't do well in warm climates. it's thriving in many countries that are currently quite warm. 


    Harvard estimates the actual number of cases is probably 50x the currently reported numbers because of lack of testing and asymptomatic transmission.  It is grossly irresponsible to not consider cancelling the convention in my opinion. People are not taking this seriously enough. Even the denier in chief is beginning to see the reality of the situation. Time to wake up. San Francisco and the Bay Area are currently in lock down with only essential travel allowed. That doesn't include piano technicians btw. New York is likely going that route along with many other states. A surge of hospitalizations will not only put those with the CV at risk but everyone with other medical conditions requiring hospitalization.  Time to get with the program. 



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    David Love RPT
    www.davidlovepianos.com
    davidlovepianos@comcast.net
    415 407 8320
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  • 16.  RE: open letter #1 on Covid-19

    Posted 03-18-2020 09:01
    Gee whizz David - please stay safe. I almost envy you, as your decision to  go out about town servicing pianos has been made for you (and wisely I think). Here in the other bay area - Tampa Bay - I am very much struggling with the decision whether to continue servicing pianos or whether to cancel all my near-future appointments and honker down. I tuned a nasty 1970s Aeolian console player piano two days ago. The owner was a personable guy in his 60s perhaps. He owns and operates a tequila bar in Ybor City (hip, touristy area near downtown Tampa). He was describing the large crowds in his bar this past weekend. So how the heck do I know that he wasn't carrying the virus? If anyone is infected without knowing it, it is someone like him who has been in the midst of large crowds like that. I feel like I'm wishing that an order would come from Washington (DC) for a blanket lock down everywhere. Make these individual decisions easy. I don't like the thought of losing money by cancelling appointments. I like even less the knowledge that some of those cancelled clients will call someone else to tune their piano (because they can - there is no lockdown order in our area) and I will likely loose a client forever. However, at the same time, I feel like the proper thing to do for my clients, myself, my family and society at large is to stay home except for when absolutely necessary. I've read many reports from Italy and I sure as heck don't want to go down that road. They say the USA is about 10 days behind Italy. If we don't want what has happened in Italy to happen here, it is time to act NOW.

    Have I just answer my own question?

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    Terry Farrell
    Farrell Piano Service, Inc.
    Brandon, Florida
    terry@farrellpiano.com
    813-684-3505
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  • 17.  RE: open letter #1 on Covid-19

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-18-2020 09:23
    My best gathering of information is the 60% of our country WILL get infected with Covid-19. The point of social distancing is NOT to stop the spread but to slow it down so as to not overwhelm the hospitals.

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    Larry Messerly, RPT
    Bringing Harmony to Homes
    www.lacrossepianotuning.com
    ljmesserly@gmail.com
    928-899-7292
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  • 18.  RE: open letter #1 on Covid-19

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-18-2020 10:54
    Terry, just tuning for that guy who was happy about how crowded his bar is suggests that you should stay home for two weeks, to be sure you aren't infected. Just call your remaining customers and explain that you are staying home and tell them about the customer, the crowded bar, etc. I'm sure no one will blame you, and it's true -- you could have become infected and you could be spreading virus without knowing it.

    We surely hope you are not --- but I suspect that by the time the two weeks are up, no one is going to want to have anyone come and tune a piano, till we get through this and out the other side.

    It's a great time to get caught up with all the stuff at home which never got done -- or maybe your act on the domestic front is better together than mine.

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    Susan Kline
    Philomath, Oregon
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  • 19.  RE: open letter #1 on Covid-19

    Posted 03-18-2020 11:04
    Susan is really right. 

    Please remember the warning of our friend in Bergamo: what you experience in two weeks time depends on what you do today.

    THANKS particularly to Susan - none of us can do anything but she has at least pointed the ways in which we can do our best

    Best wishes

    David P

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  • 20.  RE: open letter #1 on Covid-19

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-18-2020 17:06
    David, you're certainly very welcome. It's a privilege to be of use, tapping on keys in my computer room.

    I've put together an explanation of the zinc and quercetin material, with links to the particular YouTubes by Dr. Seheult, which I sent to my cousin yesterday afternoon. Perhaps it might be convenient for people if I quoted here what I said to her. When I go out and do any piano work on the far side of this, I intend to have my zinc and quercetin levels excellent! One might be resigned to catching this eventually, just trying to put it off till the medical resources are there, but I'm in the risky age category, and I DON'T INTEND TO CATCH IT EVER IF I CAN POSSIBLY AVOID IT! So, zinc and quercetin at good levels, and I'll also make extensive use of the antivirals ginger and garlic, and I'll keep vitamin D at a good level. I still might get it at some point, but it won't be for lack of trying not to.

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    By the way, there's something you should know. A Dr. Seheult (funny name, but using it on YouTube will get you his daily posts) has come up with something very important. His daily updates are excellent, the best I've found. Anyway, one day he talked about the science by which the Covid-19 virus was able to get into the cell wall, so it could infect the RNA which is the cell's way of telling itself which protein it is supposed to make. The virus puts its own data onto its own matching RNA, which looks just right to the cell, so it cranks out all the new virus particles.

    Well, it seems that if there is enough zinc INSIDE the cells, it prevents the virus from inserting its RNA. So, no replication.

    Now, the exciting part -- the problem being, if you just take zinc your zinc status may be fine, but the zinc doesn't get into the cells. On the other hand, if you are deficient in zinc, you wouldn't have enough to get it into the cells anyway. I've been taking a supplement called Zinc Balance, by Jarrow. I like their supplements, always good stuff.

    So, it turns out that there are substances called "ionophores" ( literally ion-bearers) which escort ions through the cell walls. And an ionophore for zinc is chloroquine, a form of quinine used as a prescription drug for malaria. There are scientific papers about how it can get zinc into cells, which turns out to be helpful for some forms of cancer. So I got really excited: I'll keep my zinc good, and if I turn out to have caught the virus, I'll phone my doctor, explain the study, maybe send her a link to the YouTube, and she could phone a prescription for chloroquine to a pharmacy. Someone could pick it up and leave it on my porch.

    But it got a lot better than that the next day. After discussing that the Chinese are working on a variation of chloroquine, hydroquine, which turns out to work better, he went on to say that there's another ionophore,
    quercetin. Now, this is a supplement, a bioflavonoid, and I already had a bottle of the capsules on my computer desk! It's harmless, it is a good anti-inflammatory, and is readily available. No run on it, because so few people know it might be very helpful against the virus. I've told everyone I'm in contact with about it, because the knowledge could save lives.  It hasn't been tested against COV-2, no time for that yet, but it works against flu, and it has been used to treat ebola virus and zika virus. The amount of quercetin used in the studies is pretty big, maybe about 5 grams a day in a split dose. But, unlike the malaria med, quercetin is naturally occurring in plants and has no side effects.

    It works even better if you take it and get the zinc into the cells before you're exposed to a virus! The virus would have a lot harder time getting a hold.

    Here's the YouTube about how the virus takes over the cell: (pretty technical, but we're smart, and he's very clear ...)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sEdFF9Bldw
    Zinc even works against the same process in other diseases.

    And here's the one about hydroquine and quercetin:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vE4_LsftNKM

    So, I went to Amazon, and bought 500 grams of powdered quercetin (dihydrate, if I remember right), made by bulksupplements. I've used them for glycine, which is another neat thing. Actually, I also went back and bought more quercetin. Plus I already had the Zinc Balance, and I bought some zinc lozenges.

    So, I'm loaded for bear, the powdered quercetin should arrive in a couple of days now, bring it on! Before I go out and do things again, on the far side of this, I'm going to get my quercetin and zinc status really good!

    Ginger and garlic are also good antivirals. I always keep them on hand.




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    Susan Kline
    Philomath, Oregon
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  • 21.  RE: open letter #1 on Covid-19

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-18-2020 17:12
    Here is Dr. Seheult's latest update. Fascinating.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AToF8O5T86s

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    Susan Kline
    Philomath, Oregon
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  • 22.  RE: open letter #1 on Covid-19

    Posted 03-18-2020 11:45
    Terry, if you value life over money, the decision is easy.
    Our chapter met on Zoom last night.
    Everyone has cancelled appointments for several weeks out.
    Chances are we'll not be tuning for several months.
    Life will be different when this is over. 
    Now's a chance to learn something new, to rebuild that piano that's been waiting.

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    Ed Sutton
    ed440@me.com
    (980) 254-7413
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  • 23.  RE: open letter #1 on Covid-19

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-18-2020 13:35

    "Terry, if you value life over money, the decision is easy." - Ed Sutton.

    Forgive me, Ed, but I have a problem with your guilt trap. In case you've forgotten, most of us are solopreneurs, and to us making money means feeding our families and paying our mortgage or rent. For those of us who choose to keep working, please keep in mind that that's the reason. We're not some greedy corporation out to step on anyone in a pursue of profits. We're craftsmen and craftswomen, and we do what we do to make a living. 


    If you choose to not work, that's your right. But don't try to pin coronavirus deaths on those of us who are trying to provide for our families.



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    Benjamin Sanchez, RPT
    Piano Technician / Artisan
    (805) 315-8050
    www.professional-piano-services.com
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  • 24.  RE: open letter #1 on Covid-19

    Posted 03-18-2020 14:01
    Benjamin - the situation is serious. It's not a choice. To protect your family you have to be alive. And you have to not have spread it to your family.

    I am in the very fortunate position of being a landlord. I have written to my tenants surveying for an impact assessment to see who will be able to work from home and continue payments and others who are vulnerable who I will have to support by foregoing rent.

    In England there is a wider movement that perhaps needs to be started in the USA if landlords have not woken up yet - https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/promoted/suspend-all-rent-payments-no-coronavirus-evictions

    This virus is a matter of "obey the rules or you're dead".

    If you don't believe me and would like to speak with my friend in Bergamo I'm sure that he would be only too pleased to tell you what it's really like. Please email him 

    andrea@donadoni dot it.


    You don't want to be one of the statistics, and bring your family and clients with you.

    In England people still don't get it and the army is moving into London and up and down motorways to major cities.

    In other places the police are out issuing fines

    You will be queuing for food.

    You have the choice of making it not spread or being made to not make it spread. 

    Rather than tuning pianos restrictions are coming to a place near you. You don't have to panic buy but in the coming days just buy a little bit more than you would normally do because you might not be able to do easily later.

    If there are supplies of 
    Vitamin C 1000mg for morning and evening
    Vitamin D 
    they might do absolutely nothing but their immunity might be lifesavers to your family.

    If you have a couple of spare bottles of washing up liquid start putting it on door handles and things that you touch and your family or anyone else touches.

    Please do email Andrea and he will tell you that I'm not exaggerating. Just because you can't see it yet doesn't mean that it's not coming to a street near you nor a home near yours. This virus must be eliminated and this is a world task. Everyone working together can make it happen.

    Best wishes

    David P

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  • 25.  RE: open letter #1 on Covid-19

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-18-2020 14:15
    Benjamin, anyone letting you into their home is being foolish. At the most offer institutional clients reduced full day service on their instruments.

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    Larry Messerly, RPT
    Bringing Harmony to Homes
    www.lacrossepianotuning.com
    ljmesserly@gmail.com
    928-899-7292
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  • 26.  RE: open letter #1 on Covid-19

    Posted 03-18-2020 15:53
    https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/sph/ide/gida-fellowships/Imperial-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf is the paper that caused US and UK policy to change. It's worth a glance and does indicate the gravity of the thing, and exactly why it's really necessary to curtail the spread.

    One problem is people buying not what they might really need but buying to hoard mountains of stuff.

    Best wishes

    David P

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  • 27.  RE: open letter #1 on Covid-19

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-18-2020 16:16
    There might be one kind of piano service Benjamin could ethically continue to do.

    The schools are closed. If he wore gloves as he came in, and disposed of them after he left, he could tune in schools or community colleges or universities. Since they are closed, any virus on the instruments would certainly not be viable after about two weeks. The longest I've heard for it to be contagious on a surface is 9 days, and most estimates are smaller.

    In fact, if no one else was in the school or the university buildings, it would be a good chance to catch up on the practice pianos.

    Well, assuming his area is not locked down, of course.

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    Susan Kline
    Philomath, Oregon
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  • 28.  RE: open letter #1 on Covid-19

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-19-2020 00:45
    In the San Francisco Bay Area it is no longer your right to work. The lock down is mandated and to disregard is a misdemeanor. Some essential services are exempted but piano tuning is not one of them. The issue is that you put others at risk, not just yourself.

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    David Love RPT
    www.davidlovepianos.com
    davidlovepianos@comcast.net
    415 407 8320
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  • 29.  RE: open letter #1 on Covid-19

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-18-2020 11:29
    I would think a convention would likely be poorly attended even if the virus picture changes with the summer heat, with so many techs experiencing a very reduced income.  It will be months before things get back to normal,  with the client base in poor shape economically and trimming expenses wherever they can, etc.

    Linda





  • 30.  RE: open letter #1 on Covid-19

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-18-2020 10:43
    David, my heart goes out to the Italians, and northern Italy, by all accounts, has very fine health care with 100% coverage. I hesitate to imagine what happens if the U.S. with its dysfunctional system leaving out lots of people altogether, and charging everyone exorbitantly, has COV-2 as badly as Italy.

    What great spirit they have, opening the windows so they can all applaud the health care professionals at once.

    Home for the duration ... but just how long that may be is pretty alarming.

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    Susan Kline
    Philomath, Oregon
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  • 31.  RE: open letter #1 on Covid-19

    Member
    Posted 03-18-2020 11:29

    Dear Fellow Technicians...

       The letter written by Professor Li spells it out and is worth reading and learning from. As piano technicians we are in a very unique position since we are one of the few professions that make house calls. Yes there are lawn service people, landscapers, other repair people but we often spend several hours in peoples homes tuning, repairing, regulating pianos and often have special relationships with our clients and their families. We could potentially be asymptomatic and carrying around the virus from call to call. Every call we make could up our chances of getting the virus. Many clients in my practice are older or have family members who are older and there is a high percentage of people with compromised immune systems due to health conditions. Even some medicines will weaken a persons resistance. I could go on but I think you get the idea. My personal belief is that the right thing to do now and indefinitely is to suspend piano work. Will I loose clients ? maybe. Will I loose income? for sure. Will I have a job when things improve ? Most definitely.

      This thing is serious folks and we need to pay attention. In my mind cancelling the convention and the upcoming MARC are the responsible things to do. You may disagree but think about this. A number of Biogen workers that went to a conference contracted COVID-19 , some Emergency Room Doctors contracted the
    virus after attending a conference; an Advanced Practice Nurse who went to a conference in Hawaii contracted the virus. According to a story in the news yesterday a woman in Newark NJ tested positive and when they went to notify her authorities found out she had used a false name and address. That person, if the story is correct, is roaming the streets.  Closer to home here in SC a cruise ship arrived in Charleston this weekend that had a person onboard with the virus but passengers where not checked as they got off the ship. A similar scenario took place in Miami.  People from all over the country mingle in such settings for a week or more and there is no social distancing on a cruise ship. The same thing happens at the mall, at the theater, at a sports event and the grocery store and a conference

     One thing I am dong now is going through my customer list and checking in by phone with some of the clients who are more vulnerable, may be living in fear, are confused, may need food or supplies. If they are in need of something I will work on a way to get it delivered  such as doorstep delivery by volunteers  We are living in a unique time and are in a unique position to do a lot of good. You can spend your time at home reading up on some journal articles, practice tying strings, regulating and tuning your own piano, organizing your tools, supplies, shop. Finally sorting out your paper work,  Reach out to customers on your appointment list, change the voice message on you phone to explain you are suspending visits for everyone's health AND safety.

     Because I live in a hurricane prone area I am used to emergency planning and preparedness. Yesterday evening I went to a local grocery store and purchased ingredients that will allow me to make a number of meals that i will then put in sealed bags and freeze.

     I will leave one final thing with you to think about. At the end of last year my wife went on a week long trip to Thailand with her best friend and a small group. i picked her up at the airport and she was coughing and sneezing. That evening I got a sore throat and became extremely fatigued. The next day she went to a condo unit we have and self quarantined because she was still coughing, not sleeping etc. As the week went by I had no appetite, was weak, fatigued , had lots of mucus and felt like I had major flue. I convinced her to be seen at an urgent care office which sent her to the hospital. She is a nurse but they are often the worse patients. She was seen and sent home with a prescription. Things did not improve and she called me in the middle of the night having difficulty breathing. I told her to call 911 and fortunately the Rescue Squad was a block away. She ended up in the hospital for 4 days in isolation on iv antibiotics, breathing treatments, connected to monitors even ready for heart shocking. Test after test came back negative at the end of her stay they found she had myco-plasmic pneumonia. Meanwhile i went to my MD tested negative for the flu, was sent to hospital for a blood test, tested positive for myco-plasmic pneumonia. Two rounds of oral antibiotics cleared it up but what if it had not responded ? Of course we followed up with doctors and specialists after this scare. It is quite possible she had COVID given her travel outside the US and airplane time. When the tests are generally available we will get tested but at that time there was no test or even an idea of what they needed to test for.

     It is best to stay inform and heed the warnings. Your health, your family's health,, your friends, neighbors and client's all hinges on your decisions and behavior in these trying times.    "These are the times that try Men's Souls"  . For those of you who learned to type on a REAL typewriter "Now Is the time for all good men
    (and women) to come to the aid of their country""

    Be Safe

     





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    James Kelly
    Owner- Fur Elise Piano Service
    Pawleys Island SC
    843-325-4357
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  • 32.  RE: open letter #1 on Covid-19

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-18-2020 16:01
    While I respect the opinion James Kelly has expressed, I want to offer a somewhat different approach. We need to understand that this is going to be a long process, months to years, and that we are at its very beginning. I doubt many of us can afford to suspend work for 18 months or more, nor can non-piano technicians. We can continue to work, and still be responsible and avoid personal infection or spreading infection by adopting fairly simple protocols. I did a private tuning yesterday that is a case in point.

    First, both client and I confirmed we were symptom free and willing to proceed. In my case, the client cleaned the piano keys, doorknob, etc. before I arrived. When I arrived, I washed my hands. We did not come into close proximity. 

    Had my customer not told me she would clean the keys, I would have offered to do so (a firm offer - would have said I'll do it when we were on the phone together). I could have supplemented by wearing gloves. I could have worn a mask. I could have brought disinfectant wipes (if I could find any in a store), and wiped the keys when I was done. I will add those things to my protocol. 

    The point here is that there are precautions one can take that will come very close to eliminating the possibility of transfer of a virus, and they are not tremendously high effort or high tech. Life must go on. We have to go out of our houses, to the grocery store (maybe sometime soon there will be stuff on the shelves again) and likely other places (I have a 95-year-old mother-in-law who needs to be fed and cared for). We have to make at least some kind of income - the federal check(s) being considered are a drop in the bucket. What we need to do is learn methods of acting responsibly, and continue to contribute to the communal economy that is also rather important to our mutual survival.

    Yes, absolutely, it is very serious. We should not be mingling in crowds, we should avoid unnecessary travel, we should do all the common sense things like hand washing, covering coughs, maintaining distance. There is a difference between adopting those behaviors and everyone going into lock down mode. That sort of responsible behavior, if followed by most people, will avoid the need for lock down in at least much of the country.

    It is most likely that the majority of us will eventually be infected. We shouldn't look at this as a situation where we can absolutely shut down the virus spread. At best, we can slow it down. So let's do what we can to slow it down, and at the same time to have a world and a life to come back to when the worst of it is over. Balance.

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    Fred Sturm
    University of New Mexico
    fssturm@unm.edu
    http://fredsturm.net
    http://www.artoftuning.com
    "We either make ourselves happy or miserable. The amount of work is the same." - Carlos Casteneda
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  • 33.  RE: open letter #1 on Covid-19

    Member
    Posted 03-18-2020 19:12

    "Successful High-Dose Vitamin C Treatment of Patients with Serious and Critical COVID-19 Infection
    by Richard Cheng, MD, PhD
    (OMNS Mar 18, 2020) A group of medical doctors, healthcare providers and scientists met online March 17, 2020, to discuss the use of high dose intravenous vitamin C (IVC) in the treatment of moderate to severe cases of Covid-19 patients. The key guest was Dr. Enqian Mao, chief of emergency medicine department at Ruijin Hospital, a major hospital in Shanghai, affiliated with the Joatong University College of Medicine. Dr. Mao is also a member of the Senior Expert Team at the Shanghai Public Health Center, where all Covid-19 patients have been treated. In addition, Dr. Mao co-authored the Shanghhai Guidelines for the Treatment of Covid-19 Infection, an official document endorsed by the Shanghai Medical Association and the Shanghai city government. [1]

    "Dr. Mao has been using high-dose dose IVC to treat patients with acute pancreatitis, sepsis, surgical wound healing and other medical conditions for over 10 years. When Covid-19 broke out, he and other experts thought of vitamin C and recommended IVC for the treatment of moderate to severe cases of Covid-19 patients. The recommendation was accepted early in the epidemic by the Shanghai Expert Team. All serious or critically ill Covid-19 patients in the Shanghai area were treated in Shanghai Public Health Center, for a total of 358 Covid-19 patients as of March 17th, 2020.

    "Dr. Mao stated that his group treated ~50 cases of moderate to severe cases of Covid-19 infection with high dose IVC. The IVC dosing was in the range of 10,000 mg – 20,000 mg a day for 7-10 days, with 10,000 mg for moderate cases and 20,000 for more severe cases, determined by pulmonary status (mostly the oxygenation index) and coagulation status. All patients who received IVC improved and there was no mortality. Compared to the average of a 30-day hospital stay for all Covid-19 patients, those patients who received high dose IVC had a hospital stay about 3-5 days shorter than the overall patients. Dr. Mao discussed one severe case in particular who was deteriorating rapidly. He gave a bolus of 50,000 mg IVC over a period of 4 hours. The patient's pulmonary (oxygenation index) status stabilized and improved as the critical care team watched in real time. There were no side effects reported from any of the cases treated with high dose IVC.

    ....

    "Also, both Drs. Mao and Wang confirmed that there are other medical teams in other parts of the country who have been using high dose IVC treating Covid-19 patients."



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    Chester VT
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  • 34.  RE: open letter #1 on Covid-19

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-18-2020 20:04
    For what it's worth I found this interesting. Maybe you will too.
    https://www.vox.com/2020/3/18/21185262/how-soap-kills-the-coronavirus

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    Karl Roeder
    Pompano Beach FL
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  • 35.  RE: open letter #1 on Covid-19

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-19-2020 00:56
    Wow! Lots of info on here!

    My opinions:
    I heard on NPR this virus is doing quite well in warm climates, so don't count on that.

    Benjamin - Please don't take Ed wrong. He isn't trying to make you feel bad. He is seriously wanting you to consider you may best serve your family when you are healthy.

    It is important we not be carriers and spread the virus around. Having said that, I do understand the need to support oneself and one's family. We're told to stay home, but if we don't pay our rent or mortgage we won't have that home to stay in. Fred has a point; we can't hold out forever. Perhaps select work may be necessary for those who must pay for the home to stay in as much as possible. Whatever you do, don't use time off for unnecessary travel, particularly via an airplane.

    My plans:
    I was going to start teaching my lessons online when we had our first confirmed case in southern WV. We had 2 confirmed cases in MY county, so that's it. As far as tunings, I plan to continue tuning in churches but since they are all going virtual I'm not sure how long that will last. I might continue tuning for select cases, but I'm deciding that as I go, & the more virus cases that are confirmed the less I'll tune.

    Good luck, all!

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    Maggie Jusiel
    Athens, WV
    (304)952-8615
    mags@timandmaggie.net
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  • 36.  RE: open letter #1 on Covid-19

    Posted 03-19-2020 03:29
    Rent - it's important to get this in perspective. Money means nothing. It's stopped. The money-go-round has stopped. The first thing to do is to write to your landlord and apologise saying that you're unable to work to get money in.

    No landlord with more than one brain cell is going to evict a tenant unable to pay rent in the current circumstances because if your landlord owns more than one property the idiot will have a whole string of empty properties. That doesn't make sense. It's important to have someone to look after one's property. So instead of saying that you can't pay full stop you can say that you'll be happy to do work to improve it. This is a time for goodwill and no-one is secure.

    In England a rent holiday is now law. It won't be long before USA catches up. Start a petition about it on www.change.org or the like.

    In England things are very nasty because bank overdrafts are charging interest at 40%. This means that anyone borrowing commits financial suicide.

    Being myself in the position of being a landlord, I regard my tenants as part of my family. I'm dependent on the work they do in order for me to do a lot of things that to many other people don't look like work although people who know me laugh at anyone who accuses me of that. But it's a privilege to receive money from tenants. In the current circumstances that privilege has stopped. It's my duty, and indeed, the intelligent thing to do, to try to support those who in the past have supported me. Our families have just got bigger.

    Actually I have an enormous reserve of faith and as such Psalm 23 talks about walking through the valley of death and feeling no evil because "God's" rod and staff are with me. And as such I walk in the green pastures of "God". 

    So hold on in there. With this in mind you and I will walk in green pastures too, and all who understand likewise. We are about to face a period of the unknown and to many that means a terror. But it doesn't have to be.

    Whether you or anyone else is religious or not I don't know, But there's one interpretation that helps. It's not a popular interpretation and priests loathe me and hopefully I might be able to give you a key that opens a door to a new perspective. So please, if you can, walk with me and have patience in coming on a little journey.

    I've put "God" in inverted commas, not out of disrespect, but to identify a word which has a special and other meaning. Some say that I'm an atheist - who believes in "God".

    So let's ask that question - what is "God"? It's a riddle. We are made in the image of "God". So many imagine "God" as a being fashioned in the image of us. But what image? Who better to ask than the "Son of God"? 

    The "Son of God" said that "God is Love". Corrupted by an immediate touchy-feely idea of love it's easy to forget what it really is. It's fundamentally "Working Together". All throughout the universe working all with all. 

    By training and religion I am a physicist. So I was looking at the Feynmann lectures one day and unpracticed in the mathematics asked the question "What is this trying to tell me?" And the answer became obvious - "about particles and stuff that works together. And what doesn't work together ain't here". And that's just the secret. What hasn't worked together isn't here. Working together is truly the source of creating!

    So the Creator isn't a teddy bear superstion about a supaman who created the earth in six days - that's just the idea to put us on the road that we didn't do it ourselves - that something else did and it's all done by it - stuff working together.

    The human race has a lot of waking up to do. Perhaps this is the time when the penny will drop. It's a time for "God" - it's a time for "Working Together". If we don't work together with the planet, environmentally aware people are warning that we might cease to exist. This is the law of everything. What doesn't work together doesn't exist. If our religions won't understand what they're all about - working together - they won't exist.

    From the quarks that work together to make the protons that work together with electrons to make atoms to the atoms that work together to make molecules, to the molecules that work together to make proteins, to the proteins that work together to make RNA, to the two strands of RNA that work together to make DNA, to the genes of our DNA that work together to make us, from our fathers' sperm which worked together with our mothers' egg . . . were any of these things not to have been working together we wouldn't be here. . . . So we are made in the image of Working Together! But have forgotten what we are made of.

    Indeed at the moment we've come across a small piece of RNA that doesn't work well with us at all. By working together we can eliminate this RNA because it can't then spread and live in each of us to disrupt our internal working together. If we don't work together to stop it then this piece of RNA will stop us working together .  . . with consequences that are all too apparent at the morgue. So it's teaching us that we must work together.

    That means all. Landlords understanding that tenants can't pay their rent in many circumstances now, and working together so that they get their properties looked after in a time of trouble.

    Apologies for nearly writing a book in such a post but my insight is that "Working Together" solves a lot of problems.

    Working Together is
    - invisible
    - everywhere
    - eternal, even before the supposed Big Bang there was Working Together to cause it
    - all powerful
    and responsible for creating all. It's necessary for our survival.

    Furthermore, all working together with all and rejecting anything that isn't working together, operates as an intelligence. That's another story. Without writing it completely, if anyone now goes back to the texts that either people have accepted without question, or rejected, and substitutes "Working Together" wherever the word "God" is to be seen, there's a lot of sense and a lot of understanding to be obtained, or for some, revealed.

    We have to work together not only with our family, our friends, our cronies, our partners in crime, but our neighbours, our enemies, animals, plants, the environment and the planet. If we don't, the force of everything else working together will make us irrelevant. We will cease to continue to exist.

    Because working together is a process in time, a sequence of decisions operating in time, decisions have to work together too. This starts to be event theory and relevant to quantum physics. If two decisions don't work together their consequences don't exist - so we don't know about them. Circumstances have to work together too. So this is the Sea of Circumstances. If you're in a boat and the water is rough, by understanding the working together of the decisions that keep your boat afloat, you can calm the waves. With faith the size of a mustard seed, said the Master, you can move that mountain - not a physical mountain, but the mountain of difficulty.

    "What did the Master tell you?" said the others. "Well were I to tell you what the Master told me, you'd throw stones at me. And those stones would rise out of the ground and set you on fire!" With enthusiasm I hope.

    This post could have been so very much shorter. But that would have given an answer that wouldn't cover all the difficulties that we're all about to face, not just tenants and landlords. Piano tuning, by the way - what's it all about? Getting the vibrations to work together! Isn't it just horrible when they don't? And if they don't and it's not possible to get the vibrations to work together what do we do? Put the piano on a bonfire. Or mend it. 

    We can mend it. 

    "Working Together" has put together a virus that doesn't work well together with us. It's a test of our working together. By Understanding, we can. We can mend it.

    Best wishes

    David P


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  • 37.  RE: open letter #1 on Covid-19

    Posted 03-19-2020 08:56
    David-
    Thank you for this remarkable message. You have said with clarity things I mumble at best.
    In this spirit I'll share my favorite Robert Frost poem, and yes, I have changed two words to "we" in the last couplet to conform to contemporary language use.

    The Tuft of Flowers

    I went to turn the grass once after one
    Who mowed it in the dew before the sun.
     
    The dew was gone that made his blade so keen
    Before I came to view the levelled scene.
     
    I looked for him behind an isle of trees;
    I listened for his whetstone on the breeze.
     
    But he had gone his way, the grass all mown,
    And I must be, as he had been,-alone,
     
    'As all must be,' I said within my heart,
    'Whether they work together or apart.'
     
    But as I said it, swift there passed me by
    On noiseless wing a 'wildered butterfly,
     
    Seeking with memories grown dim o'er night
    Some resting flower of yesterday's delight.
     
    And once I marked his flight go round and round,
    As where some flower lay withering on the ground.
     
    And then he flew as far as eye could see,
    And then on tremulous wing came back to me.
     
    I thought of questions that have no reply,
    And would have turned to toss the grass to dry;
     
    But he turned first, and led my eye to look
    At a tall tuft of flowers beside a brook,
     
    A leaping tongue of bloom the scythe had spared
    Beside a reedy brook the scythe had bared.
     
    I left my place to know them by their name,
    Finding them butterfly weed when I came.
     
    The mower in the dew had loved them thus,
    By leaving them to flourish, not for us,
     
    Nor yet to draw one thought of ours to him.
    But from sheer morning gladness at the brim.
     
    The butterfly and I had lit upon,
    Nevertheless, a message from the dawn,
     
    That made me hear the wakening birds around,
    And hear his long scythe whispering to the ground,
     
    And feel a spirit kindred to my own;
    So that henceforth I worked no more alone;
     
    But glad with him, I worked as with his aid,
    And weary, sought at noon with him the shade;
     
    And dreaming, as it were, held brotherly speech
    With one whose thought I had not hoped to reach.
     
    'We work together,' I told him from the heart,
    'Whether we work together or apart.


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    Ed Sutton
    ed440@me.com
    (980) 254-7413
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  • 38.  RE: open letter #1 on Covid-19

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-19-2020 09:27
    David...Ed...  Thank you. ❤❤❤

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    Maggie Jusiel
    Athens, WV
    (304)952-8615
    mags@timandmaggie.net
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  • 39.  RE: open letter #1 on Covid-19

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-19-2020 01:21
    Yes, I heard about how soap trashes the virus, too. Very much in our benefit, and if we just clean surfaces with soap, that should work, too.

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    Susan Kline
    Philomath, Oregon
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  • 40.  RE: open letter #1 on Covid-19

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-19-2020 21:55
    California's governor just made a state-wide stay-at-home order.

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    Patrick Draine
    Billerica MA
    978-663-9690
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  • 41.  RE: open letter #1 on Covid-19

    Posted 03-19-2020 23:06
    If anyone doubts the seriousness just follow the link  https://www.google.com/search?q=bergamo+virus 

    This week has been a game-changer beyond 9-11 and the unimaginable is now a norm.

    It's important to go with the flow of precautions and not to discount any possible precaution. It could be a lifesaver.

    A yarn is made of many fibres. They all go together in the same direction to achieve a purpose longer and stronger than any of their fibres alone. If they are not twisted enough, not spun with enough work and energy, they fall apart. Thoughts are like waves - they come and flow one to the next. All people can achieve all things that they want to, get to wherever they want to be, even by taking the very shortest of steps but as long as every and each step is in the same direction towards the same end - just like the threads in the yarn. There is a difference between those who expect to give and those who simply expect. Those who expect to give are themselves and free, whilst those who expect to receive are enslaved to what anyone else might be thinking of them, lest they miss out on what they might else receive.

    We have to be a good yarn. Our bass strings are the foundation of our sound and we mustn't let them rattle.

    The piano world is populated by a lot of what I call white-haired knowledge. We MUST look after our white-hair knowledge. And those who are younger should bear in mind that the French experience is that 50% of people suffering in hospital are under 60.

    Best wishes

    David P

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