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UPDATE:

https://my.ptg.org/communities/community-home/digestviewer/viewthread?MessageKey=8ae1e493-a7cc-4f93-ac62-850a6ab21d1b&CommunityKey=6265a40b-9fd2-4152-a628-bd7c7d770cbf

Roshan Kakiya's Final Temperament

Note	Cents
C	0.00
C#	100.00
D	196.74
D#	301.96
E	396.09
F	501.30
F#	598.04
G	698.04
G#	801.30
A	896.09
A#	1001.96
B	1096.74
C	1200.00

Fifths

Fifth	Cents
C-G	698.04
G-D	698.70
D-A	699.35
A-E	700.00
E-B	700.65
B-F#	701.30
F#-C#	701.96
C#-G#	701.30
G#-D#	700.65
D#-A#	700.00
A#-F	699.35
F-C	698.70
C-G	698.04

Fourths

Fourth	Cents
G-C	501.96
D-G	501.30
A-D	500.65
E-A	500.00
B-E	499.35
F#-B	498.70
C#-F#	498.04
G#-C#	498.70
D#-G#	499.35
A#-D#	500.00
F-A#	500.65
C-F	501.30
G-C	501.96

Offsets in Cents from 12-TET

Note	Cents
C	0.00
C#	0.00
D	−3.26
D#	+1.96
E	−3.91
F	+1.30
F#	−1.96
G	−1.96
G#	+1.30
A	−3.91
A#	+1.96
B	−3.26
C	0.00

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Roshan Kakiya
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I've been using the offsets for your Well Temperament and I've found it to be a smooth or maybe beat canceling effect. Seems to me it works especially well on spinets that need some calming down since they tend to be too bright and have high inharmonicity. I like it! What would the offsets be for your Final Temperament?

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"That Tuning Guy"
Scott Kerns
www.thattuningguy.com
Tunic OnlyPure, TuneLab & Smart Piano Tuner user
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Original Message:
Sent: 05-24-2019 21:30
From: Roshan Kakiya
Subject: Roshan Kakiya's Final Temperament

Roshan Kakiya's Final Temperament

Note	Cents
C	0.00
C#	100.00
D	196.74
D#	301.96
E	396.09
F	501.30
F#	598.04
G	698.04
G#	801.30
A	896.09
A#	1001.96
B	1096.74
C	1200.00

Fifths

Fifth	Cents
C-G	698.04
G-D	698.70
D-A	699.35
A-E	700.00
E-B	700.65
B-F#	701.30
F#-C#	701.96
C#-G#	701.30
G#-D#	700.65
D#-A#	700.00
A#-F	699.35
F-C	698.70
C-G	698.04

Fourths

Fourth	Cents
G-C	501.96
D-G	501.30
A-D	500.65
E-A	500.00
B-E	499.35
F#-B	498.70
C#-F#	498.04
G#-C#	498.70
D#-G#	499.35
A#-D#	500.00
F-A#	500.65
C-F	501.30
G-C	501.96

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Roshan Kakiya
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Original Message------

I've been using the offsets for your Well Temperament and I've found it to be a smooth or maybe beat canceling effect. Seems to me it works especially well on spinets that need some calming down since they tend to be too bright and have high inharmonicity. I like it! What would the offsets be for your Final Temperament?

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"That Tuning Guy"
Scott Kerns
www.thattuningguy.com
Tunic OnlyPure, TuneLab & Smart Piano Tuner user
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David - I have used it on a couple nice Yamaha C2 grands and an older Yamaha C7 and I really liked the effect on them too. The C7 is in a chapel and they've really wanted to mellow or dampen the sound (someone before me voiced the hammers down) so this temperament will help with that issue. 
It's interesting to see it on a tuning curve. In PianoMeter (formerly Easy Piano Tuner) the curve is right there and, as you'd expect, it makes it look like a sawtooth, so when I first used it I was surprised that it had a calming effect and not a brightening effect.

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"That Tuning Guy"
Scott Kerns
www.thattuningguy.com
Tunic OnlyPure, TuneLab & Smart Piano Tuner user
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Original Message:
Sent: 05-25-2019 10:49
From: David Pinnegar
Subject: Roshan Kakiya's Final Temperament

Scott - thanks so much - this is really helpful and great news as it's what my harmonic analysis predicted. It's great to have verification of both Roshan's work and of my harmonic analysis methodology.

I told Roshan that really we need to test his temperament on a really good instrument but your confirmation that it's helpful even to small instruments us brilliant.

Best wishes

David P

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Original Message------

I've been using the offsets for your Well Temperament and I've found it to be a smooth or maybe beat canceling effect. Seems to me it works especially well on spinets that need some calming down since they tend to be too bright and have high inharmonicity. I like it! What would the offsets be for your Final Temperament?

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"That Tuning Guy"
Scott Kerns
www.thattuningguy.com
Tunic OnlyPure, TuneLab & Smart Piano Tuner user
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Thank you very much for confirming this, Scott!

My Well Temperament is available here for anybody that is interested in using it:

https://my.ptg.org/communities/community-home/digestviewer/viewthread?GroupId=43&MessageKey=24d4bbfe-b437-47ca-96a0-3d02a93bc621&CommunityKey=6265a40b-9fd2-4152-a628-bd7c7d770cbf

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Roshan Kakiya
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Original Message:
Sent: 05-25-2019 10:41
From: Scott Kerns
Subject: Roshan Kakiya's Final Temperament

I've been using the offsets for your Well Temperament and I've found it to be a smooth or maybe beat canceling effect. Seems to me it works especially well on spinets that need some calming down since they tend to be too bright and have high inharmonicity. I like it! What would the offsets be for your Final Temperament?

------------------------------
"That Tuning Guy"
Scott Kerns
www.thattuningguy.com
Tunic OnlyPure, TuneLab & Smart Piano Tuner user

Original Message:
Sent: 05-24-2019 21:30
From: Roshan Kakiya
Subject: Roshan Kakiya's Final Temperament

Roshan Kakiya's Final Temperament

Note	Cents
C	0.00
C#	100.00
D	196.74
D#	301.96
E	396.09
F	501.30
F#	598.04
G	698.04
G#	801.30
A	896.09
A#	1001.96
B	1096.74
C	1200.00

Fifths

Fifth	Cents
C-G	698.04
G-D	698.70
D-A	699.35
A-E	700.00
E-B	700.65
B-F#	701.30
F#-C#	701.96
C#-G#	701.30
G#-D#	700.65
D#-A#	700.00
A#-F	699.35
F-C	698.70
C-G	698.04

Fourths

Fourth	Cents
G-C	501.96
D-G	501.30
A-D	500.65
E-A	500.00
B-E	499.35
F#-B	498.70
C#-F#	498.04
G#-C#	498.70
D#-G#	499.35
A#-D#	500.00
F-A#	500.65
C-F	501.30
G-C	501.96

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Roshan Kakiya
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Original Message------

Thank you very much for confirming this, Scott!

My Well Temperament is available here for anybody that is interested in using it:

https://my.ptg.org/communities/community-home/digestviewer/viewthread?GroupId=43&MessageKey=24d4bbfe-b437-47ca-96a0-3d02a93bc621&CommunityKey=6265a40b-9fd2-4152-a628-bd7c7d770cbf

It is a modern well temperament rather than a traditional well temperament.

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Roshan Kakiya
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Original Message:
Sent: 05-25-2019 10:41
From: Scott Kerns
Subject: Roshan Kakiya's Final Temperament

I've been using the offsets for your Well Temperament and I've found it to be a smooth or maybe beat canceling effect. Seems to me it works especially well on spinets that need some calming down since they tend to be too bright and have high inharmonicity. I like it! What would the offsets be for your Final Temperament?

------------------------------
"That Tuning Guy"
Scott Kerns
www.thattuningguy.com
Tunic OnlyPure, TuneLab & Smart Piano Tuner user

Original Message:
Sent: 05-24-2019 21:30
From: Roshan Kakiya
Subject: Roshan Kakiya's Final Temperament

Roshan Kakiya's Final Temperament

Note	Cents
C	0.00
C#	100.00
D	196.74
D#	301.96
E	396.09
F	501.30
F#	598.04
G	698.04
G#	801.30
A	896.09
A#	1001.96
B	1096.74
C	1200.00

Fifths

Fifth	Cents
C-G	698.04
G-D	698.70
D-A	699.35
A-E	700.00
E-B	700.65
B-F#	701.30
F#-C#	701.96
C#-G#	701.30
G#-D#	700.65
D#-A#	700.00
A#-F	699.35
F-C	698.70
C-G	698.04

Fourths

Fourth	Cents
G-C	501.96
D-G	501.30
A-D	500.65
E-A	500.00
B-E	499.35
F#-B	498.70
C#-F#	498.04
G#-C#	498.70
D#-G#	499.35
A#-D#	500.00
F-A#	500.65
C-F	501.30
G-C	501.96

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Roshan Kakiya
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I must confess that when I tried out the temperament I wasn't sure what to expect. Not being a total aural tuner sometimes I don't trust my perceptions of how a tuning does or should sound. I mean, I know what I like and as I play a piano after I've tuned it I hear octaves and unisons that are off and I get a general idea of what's going on but this experience has given me more confidence that I can trust my ear.

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"That Tuning Guy"
Scott Kerns
www.thattuningguy.com
Tunic OnlyPure, TuneLab & PianoMeter user
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Original Message:
Sent: 05-25-2019 10:58
From: Roshan Kakiya
Subject: Roshan Kakiya's Final Temperament

Thank you very much for confirming this, Scott!

My Well Temperament is available here for anybody that is interested in using it:

https://my.ptg.org/communities/community-home/digestviewer/viewthread?GroupId=43&MessageKey=24d4bbfe-b437-47ca-96a0-3d02a93bc621&CommunityKey=6265a40b-9fd2-4152-a628-bd7c7d770cbf

It is a modern well temperament rather than a traditional well temperament.

------------------------------
Roshan Kakiya

Original Message:
Sent: 05-25-2019 10:41
From: Scott Kerns
Subject: Roshan Kakiya's Final Temperament

I've been using the offsets for your Well Temperament and I've found it to be a smooth or maybe beat canceling effect. Seems to me it works especially well on spinets that need some calming down since they tend to be too bright and have high inharmonicity. I like it! What would the offsets be for your Final Temperament?

------------------------------
"That Tuning Guy"
Scott Kerns
www.thattuningguy.com
Tunic OnlyPure, TuneLab & Smart Piano Tuner user

Original Message:
Sent: 05-24-2019 21:30
From: Roshan Kakiya
Subject: Roshan Kakiya's Final Temperament

Roshan Kakiya's Final Temperament

Note	Cents
C	0.00
C#	100.00
D	196.74
D#	301.96
E	396.09
F	501.30
F#	598.04
G	698.04
G#	801.30
A	896.09
A#	1001.96
B	1096.74
C	1200.00

Fifths

Fifth	Cents
C-G	698.04
G-D	698.70
D-A	699.35
A-E	700.00
E-B	700.65
B-F#	701.30
F#-C#	701.96
C#-G#	701.30
G#-D#	700.65
D#-A#	700.00
A#-F	699.35
F-C	698.70
C-G	698.04

Fourths

Fourth	Cents
G-C	501.96
D-G	501.30
A-D	500.65
E-A	500.00
B-E	499.35
F#-B	498.70
C#-F#	498.04
G#-C#	498.70
D#-G#	499.35
A#-D#	500.00
F-A#	500.65
C-F	501.30
G-C	501.96

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Roshan Kakiya
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Original Message------

I must confess that when I tried out the temperament I wasn't sure what to expect. Not being a total aural tuner sometimes I don't trust my perceptions of how a tuning does or should sound. I mean, I know what I like and as I play a piano after I've tuned it I hear octaves and unisons that are off and I get a general idea of what's going on but this experience has given me more confidence that I can trust my ear.

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"That Tuning Guy"
Scott Kerns
www.thattuningguy.com
Tunic OnlyPure, TuneLab & PianoMeter user
------------------------------

Original Message------

I just charted this "final" temperament, and it is a true well temperament very much like (and between) the Coleman 11 and Coleman 16. Traditional key color will show in this temperament. http://www.rollingball.com/images/Kakiya-Final.gif

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Scott,

I have added the offsets in cents from 12-TET for my Final Temperament in my original post.

My Final Temperament makes a variety of key colours available. Additionally, as shown on the image in my original post, its Circle of Fifths is symmetrical around C-G and Gb-Db.

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Roshan Kakiya
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Original Message:
Sent: 05-25-2019 10:41
From: Scott Kerns
Subject: Roshan Kakiya's Final Temperament

I've been using the offsets for your Well Temperament and I've found it to be a smooth or maybe beat canceling effect. Seems to me it works especially well on spinets that need some calming down since they tend to be too bright and have high inharmonicity. I like it! What would the offsets be for your Final Temperament?

------------------------------
"That Tuning Guy"
Scott Kerns
www.thattuningguy.com
Tunic OnlyPure, TuneLab & Smart Piano Tuner user

Original Message:
Sent: 05-24-2019 21:30
From: Roshan Kakiya
Subject: Roshan Kakiya's Final Temperament

Roshan Kakiya's Final Temperament

Note	Cents
C	0.00
C#	100.00
D	196.74
D#	301.96
E	396.09
F	501.30
F#	598.04
G	698.04
G#	801.30
A	896.09
A#	1001.96
B	1096.74
C	1200.00

Fifths

Fifth	Cents
C-G	698.04
G-D	698.70
D-A	699.35
A-E	700.00
E-B	700.65
B-F#	701.30
F#-C#	701.96
C#-G#	701.30
G#-D#	700.65
D#-A#	700.00
A#-F	699.35
F-C	698.70
C-G	698.04

Fourths

Fourth	Cents
G-C	501.96
D-G	501.30
A-D	500.65
E-A	500.00
B-E	499.35
F#-B	498.70
C#-F#	498.04
G#-C#	498.70
D#-G#	499.35
A#-D#	500.00
F-A#	500.65
C-F	501.30
G-C	501.96

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Roshan Kakiya
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Original Message------

Scott,

I have added the offsets in cents from 12-TET for my Final Temperament in my original post.

My Final Temperament makes a variety of key colours available. Additionally, as shown on the image in my original post, its Circle of Fifths is symmetrical around C-G and Gb-Db.

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Roshan Kakiya
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