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The Piano Tuner is here

  • 1.  The Piano Tuner is here

    Posted 05-05-2019 17:28
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnxLTDuMWnA&fbclid=IwAR17Uj_SnlOUPRMacbhDVfKFN1CA9oJ-8I-pteg_b8oZXZ9cGTlwI7YmRg0

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    Martin Snow
    South Burlington VT
    617-543-1030
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  • 2.  RE: The Piano Tuner is here

    Posted 05-05-2019 18:29
    This all seems so, somehow, familiar. Like from a dream, or something. I had to sit down to watch it, of course. That much laughing is hard to do standing up.

    Thanks!

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    Geoff Sykes, RPT
    Los Angeles CA
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  • 3.  RE: The Piano Tuner is here

    Posted 05-05-2019 19:35
    Incredible.  Those conversations must be universal!  Thanks for sharing this, Mr. Snow.  My guys are going to love this just as I did!!!   Ted

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    Ted Rohde
    Central Illinois
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  • 4.  RE: The Piano Tuner is here

    Posted 05-06-2019 05:58
    Oh, that's funny. Thanks for sharing. And how true. Just this past Friday I tuned a nice big Samick grand for a local piano teacher - she has been a regular (-ish) customer for more than 15 years. She asked when it was last tuned. I looked it up in my records - 7 years. And the time before that was 7 years previous. I guess she too ignored my tuning interval advice! I guess I need to stop tuning them so well.......  ;-)

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    Terry Farrell
    Farrell Piano Service, Inc.
    Brandon, Florida
    terry@farrellpiano.com
    813-684-3505
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  • 5.  RE: The Piano Tuner is here

    Posted 05-06-2019 08:48
    You have 100% of her business.

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    Susan Kline
    Philomath, Oregon
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  • 6.  RE: The Piano Tuner is here

    Posted 05-07-2019 13:54
    Hmmm. 

    Actually it's not that you're tuning so well that they don't need tuning in 7 years but that the customer's toleration of being out of tune is high.

    A reason for this is that standard Equal Temperament tuning gives a fuzzy result. Everything's moving. In a "hotel foyer" standard piano it's a warm fuzzy whilst in a concert brand piano it's a glistening fuzzy. And because it's fuzzy people's toleration of fuzziness is high because they haven't any landmarks of purity.

    This is one reason why I've been promoting other tuning systems putting scale notes on harmonics of other strings. A clarity can be achieved and then it's really easy to tell that an instrument is out of tune. So were people in the business to take up my suggestions of tuning systems which are capable of this then it would be better for business as people would recognise out of tuneness earlier and ring you up more often.

    Best wishes

    David P



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  • 7.  RE: The Piano Tuner is here

    Posted 05-05-2019 21:44
    Love it!

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    John Formsma, RPT
    New Albany MS
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  • 8.  RE: The Piano Tuner is here

    Posted 05-06-2019 00:41
    Beautiful.

    Sent from my iPhone




  • 9.  RE: The Piano Tuner is here

    Posted 05-06-2019 09:46
    😒😜😳

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    "That Tuning Guy"
    Scott Kerns
    www.thattuningguy.com
    Tunic OnlyPure, TuneLab & Smart Piano Tuner user
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  • 10.  RE: The Piano Tuner is here

    Posted 05-07-2019 08:27
    Absolutely hilarious.  Welcome to my life!

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    David Weiss
    Charlottesville VA
    434-823-9733
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  • 11.  RE: The Piano Tuner is here

    Posted 05-07-2019 10:16
    Anyone know the software used to create this funny clip ? I think we all could make dozens of these clips because we have all had these experiences. It is classic

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    James Kelly
    Pawleys Island SC
    843-325-4357
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  • 12.  RE: The Piano Tuner is here

    Posted 05-07-2019 15:06
    Mr Pinnegar..!!! Lighten up dude  its a joke!!

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    Martin Snow
    South Burlington VT
    617-543-1030
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  • 13.  RE: The Piano Tuner is here

    Posted 05-07-2019 15:22
    Oh dear 

    Thanks

    NSOH after a heavy few days.

    However . . . my recommendation that other tuning systems encourage clients to have their instruments tuned more often . . . isn't a joke! :-) Those who are trying them will be reporting that it's good for business.

    Best wishes

    David P

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  • 14.  RE: The Piano Tuner is here

    Posted 05-07-2019 17:17
    David P. wrote of "other tuning systems". What are you referring to?

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    Terry Farrell
    Farrell Piano Service, Inc.
    Brandon, Florida
    terry@farrellpiano.com
    813-684-3505
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  • 15.  RE: The Piano Tuner is here

    Posted 05-07-2019 18:33
    Oh. I haven't wanted to bore everyone having started a thread or two about historical temperaments and getting Fred jumping up and down telling me that modern tuning has been in use since Montal in 1832. 

    Briefly, as a result of Martin Renshaw's work in the 1960s and 70s and Padgham's book "The Well Tempered Organ" in the 1980s I was aware of organ tuning. Upon listening to a Chopin recital I had the hunch that the organ tuning systems applied more generally and to pianos in the 19th century. Fred would like to tell me otherwise and so yesterday doing an event that probably Ed Foote and Carl Radford and others have probably done in the past, four musicians joined me on instruments that I'd tuned, Alexandra Kremakova performing Sweelinck and Philip Glass on one of my well tuned pianos and Jong-Gyung Park performing Berg.

    I've been focusing on temperaments with enough perfect fifths in the scale, but not too many, to create numbers of better thirds than equal temperament and in particular both Kellner and Kirnberger III really shine. The central three octaves have to be tuned without any stretch at all, best done with a machine, and the octaves below tuned to the quint and the 2 octave higher harmonic, and the top end with the usual amount of stretch. Because then we get the notes and harmony in the middle three octaves with 7 perfect fifths, beatless, and supported on a bass that's beatless with the middle octave harmonics, a wonderful purity is obtained in the sound. Stillness, certainty, clean are all terms that can be applied to it. Because it's so clean, out of tuneness brings a dirtiness to the sound. It's really audible. The clinical cleanliness of the sound can be almost crystalline.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JF3YzTG7lU As soon as unisons start to drift or notes shift it's so obvious.

    Best wishes

    David P 

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  • 16.  RE: The Piano Tuner is here

    Posted 05-07-2019 20:31
    Man, this got deep in a hurry!  We have a concert coming up where we have to do a specialty prep on a Bosendorfer grand for a concert.  We can do that and the guys know exactly what to do to make it happen.  We also have a bunch of tunings for 8th grade graduations, outdoor high school graduations, you name it...coming up.  In all honesty, we'll spend less tuning time on the latter than we will on the former.  The temperament will make little difference in a hot gym.

    Residential tunings (as we call them) are sometimes just as the little cartoon depicted sometimes.  Humor always has to have a bit of truth to it, and that definitely had that truth!  Personally, I thought it was great!  I wish whoever it was would come up with skit about doing a professional concert job!  That could be funny, also!

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    Ted Rohde
    Central Illinois
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  • 17.  RE: The Piano Tuner is here

    Posted 05-07-2019 20:42
    yep here in  beautiful Northern Vermont I'd just put away my winter boots for wading through the **** I may have to unpack them !!

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    Martin Snow
    South Burlington VT
    617-543-1030
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