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  • 1.  Tuesday Technical Tip - portable grand legstand (Pandemic Project #14)

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 06-02-2020 00:09
    Good morning all,

    Many carry a "JACK-in-the-BOX" (from Pianotek, Jansen, etc.) and/or a Grand Leg Stand (Pianotek, Premier Moving Equipment, etc.) for working on a grand leg. One of the tasks that I run into is the need to remove two legs to swap them to their correct positions after movers have installed them in the wrong spots. To that end, here's an idea for a breakdown leg stand that can fit inside the "JACK-in-the-BOX" without taking up all of the room of a welded Grand Leg Stand. If you don't use a jack box then this is a simple device to carry broken down into a spare tool or parts storage box.

    (An extra tidbit: Cut off the end of the handle of your rubber mallet so it will fit. You could reattach the end with a hanger screw for use but I don't find that necessary.)

    The parts list is simple:
    • 3/4" iron pipe x 10"
    • 3/4" iron pipe x 12" 
    • 3/4" floor pipe connector
    • 3/4' floor flange X 2
    • 6" disc of thick plywood X 2
    • self-adhesive rubber tread material - 6" circle X 2

    Leg Stand Assembled

    Legstand in use


    Legstand Disassembled

    Legstand stored in Jack-in-the-box


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    Allan Gilreath, RPT
    Registered Piano Technician & President
    Allan Gilreath & Associates, Inc
    Calhoun, GA
    706-602-7667
    allan@allangilreath.com - www.allangilreath.com
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  • 2.  RE: Tuesday Technical Tip - portable grand legstand (Pandemic Project #14)

    Posted 06-02-2020 01:16
    I really, really like this. 
    Are threaded pipes available in those lengths or would a person have get them cut to length and threaded at a plumbers supply place?

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    Jurgen Goering
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  • 3.  RE: Tuesday Technical Tip - portable grand legstand (Pandemic Project #14)

    Posted 06-02-2020 12:09
    With a few scraps of plywood and a continuous hinge, you can make a support that is stable and compacts for storage.

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    Regards,

    Jon Page
    mailto:jonpage@comcast.net
    http://www.pianocapecod.com
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  • 4.  RE: Tuesday Technical Tip - portable grand legstand (Pandemic Project #14)

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 06-02-2020 15:09

    Nicely done, Jon! I may make an extra one or two for the shop. I can see that being useful where some black paint and a few angle brackets could make an attached, temporary leg while someone is being repaired. 


    Give the breakdown one a try. It packs small!

    And thanks for the ferrule you helped me find. It worked great!

    Stay well,

    AG




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    Allan Gilreath, RPT
    Registered Piano Technician & President
    Allan Gilreath & Associates, Inc
    Calhoun, GA
    706-602-7667
    allan@allangilreath.com - www.allangilreath.com
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  • 5.  RE: Tuesday Technical Tip - portable grand legstand (Pandemic Project #14)

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 06-02-2020 15:06

    Hi Jurgen,

    Those are standard sizes available in the hardware stores down here south of the border. I realized after your question that I don't know if Canadian pipe is sized in US or metric diameters and threads. Until I started researching for the answer, I also didn't realize that European metric pipe standards and Australian metric pipe standards don't match. 


    I also need to add a quantity of 8 number 10 (it thinks I want to use a hashtag) by appropriate length flathead wood screws to attach the flanges to the disks. Obviously, the point of the screw has to not penetrate through the plywood or someone would be paying for floor repairs. (I know you know this but wanted to throw it out there for anyone building one.)

    Maybe you can help me out on sizes to make it more suitable for techs with different plumbing parts available to them. 

    Stay well!

    AG

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    Allan Gilreath, RPT
    Registered Piano Technician & President
    Allan Gilreath & Associates, Inc
    Calhoun, GA
    706-602-7667
    allan@allangilreath.com - www.allangilreath.com
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  • 6.  RE: Tuesday Technical Tip - portable grand legstand (Pandemic Project #14)

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 06-03-2020 03:55
    Allan,

    Your pipe leg is elegant and practical.  Thanks!

    I also want to remind everyone that there used to be an available product called a Piano Horse, which was a saw-horse type leg that folds flat for storage and will hold up any grand with 2 X 4 legs.  If you saw one you could easily recreate it.

    When I needed to replace all of the legs on a school grand I brought in two commercial saw horses and the movers set the piano down on them.  It was quite sturdy and safe.  With a Jack in the Box I could do this myself.

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    Blaine Hebert
    Duarte CA
    626-795-5170
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  • 7.  RE: Tuesday Technical Tip - portable grand legstand (Pandemic Project #14)

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 06-04-2020 02:02
    Something to consider.  If you use the "pipe leg" you might need to be extremely careful on smooth hardwood, marble or stage floors.  That leg has little lateral stability and depends on the other two legs to stay upright.  If the piano were to roll slightly in any direction the leg may lack adequate stability to keep the piano up.  If used in the back where the lyre doesn't provide a back-up safety support the piano could come down.  The plywood folding leg has lateral stability.  Keeping a bench under the piano might also provide some back-up safety.

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    Blaine Hebert
    Duarte CA
    626-795-5170
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  • 8.  RE: Tuesday Technical Tip - portable grand legstand (Pandemic Project #14)

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 06-04-2020 08:39
    Hi Blaine,

    That's a good caveat for techs who aren't used to using a device like this. In fact, I think I'll add some self-adhesive pipe insulation to the plywood stand to help insure that it doesn't scratch a hardwood floor or get a splinter caught in carpet. That's part of the great thing about getting all of our minds together on these things!

    I don't know if the production JACK-in-the-BOX has rubber tread but I added that to mine as you can see in the picture below. (The new box was Pandemic Project number ​13.)

    jack box bottom
    We also have one of the metal leg stands that lives in the piano moving trailer and I added rubber treads to it as well. (Picture tomorrow after I get a chance to snap one.)

    Stay well!

    AG



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    Allan Gilreath, RPT
    Registered Piano Technician & President
    Allan Gilreath & Associates, Inc
    Calhoun, GA
    706-602-7667
    allan@allangilreath.com - www.allangilreath.com
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  • 9.  RE: Tuesday Technical Tip - portable grand legstand (Pandemic Project #14)

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 06-04-2020 16:25
    Allan,

    Putting rubber on the pipe leg is a good idea, but I wasn't referring to the leg slipping.  If the casters roll the leg has no horizontal stability and will roll out from under the piano.  The folding leg and my Piano Horse are horizontally stable and won't roll.  The original leg is stable at the body of the piano and can't fold over.

    The pipe leg is still a good idea on a carpeted floor or with the wheels in coasters, but on a smooth floor with good casters there could be a safety issue.

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    Blaine Hebert
    Duarte CA
    626-795-5170
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  • 10.  RE: Tuesday Technical Tip - portable grand legstand (Pandemic Project #14)

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 06-05-2020 09:05
    Great considerations, Blaine. 

    I sent a short video to you of a stability test that surprised me that the discs make it more stable as it tries to push sideways. I'll see if I can upload it later to a platform where I can post the link here for everyone else.

    The piano horse you mentioned isn't something with which I'm familiar. I'm guessing that it isn't anything like the Piano Horse that was designed and built by Gordon Crail (rest his soul) for tipping pianos. That's another device (along with the Moondog tiler, etc.) that every tech should familiarize themselves with if they consider moving at all or even to just tip pianos in the shop. Maybe you can post a link to the item you mentioned?

    Great idea to question. To quote a line from "Shaun of the Dead" (that my son and I use as a running reminder) "Safety first, Shaun!" (Although safety is no joke!) (Okay, that's enough parenthetical expressions from me on a Friday morning.)

    Pianos are plaintively calling for attention.

    Stay well, all!

    AG

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    Allan Gilreath, RPT
    Registered Piano Technician & President
    Allan Gilreath & Associates, Inc
    Calhoun, GA
    706-602-7667
    allan@allangilreath.com - www.allangilreath.com
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