peter... are you referring to the space between the birdseye and the flange prongs on both sides ? perhaps someone with a 3 d printer can make flanges that fit better. i think schaff has some composite material flanges for older chickerings and someone else, maybe pacific piano supply ?, could fabricate,
Supply 88 now sells action brackets for actions in grands that have the expansion problem - young chang, piano disc, wurlitzers, webers produced in certain years.
i am not sure if it could be done but perhaps some shims could be cut to take up the space between the moving parts birdseye and the prongs, glued in and then drilled and bushed . another woodworking approach would be to make a tight fitting block to go between the prongs and then with a jig cutout the space needed for the birdseye. it would take some trial and error but once the fit was right it would be easy to make the cuts
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James Kelly
Owner- Fur Elise Piano Service
Pawleys Island SC
843-325-4357
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Original Message:
Sent: 10-09-2021 11:27
From: Keith Roberts
Subject: 1904 Steinway N? upright
I'm not getting the picture on those damper springs. Mine are the double flanges. The damper lever is centered and the groove is centered. Why would it make any difference which way the coil goes as long as it tightens the coil when the damper lifts? Centering the spring seems to be just a matter of wire bending.
Pictures?
I don't like the slop in the birdseye. I wish there was something that could be done about that. Maybe soak them in water until they swell up and glue size. Also dry the flanges for a month in a hot box. Maybe WNG can make some that are dimensiond. Wait that's not a word,,,
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Keith Roberts
owner
Hathaway Pines CA
209-770-4312
Original Message:
Sent: 10-09-2021 10:24
From: Peter Grey
Subject: 1904 Steinway N? upright
I am currently replacing the flanges on a 1905 SS upright due to this very reason. (Its mine, and is a back burner project I am g r a d u a l l y doing. The flanges are Tokiwa. The only problems I have with it is that the wings on the flanges are wider (thinner) than the originals which creates a bit if slop at the birdseye (side to side), but since there is really nothing I can do about I will need to live with it. The second issue is that the damper lever springs are heavier and stiffer than origins, but also wound opposite to the originals meaning that even if I wanted to, I cannot reuse the old springs. This issue now requires me to carve out the recess on the damper lever (originals, but reconditioned nicely). So its a bit of a job to say the least (if not less).
Pwg
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Peter Grey
Stratham NH
603-686-2395
pianodoctor57@gmail.com
Original Message:
Sent: 10-08-2021 11:13
From: William Shull
Subject: 1904 Steinway N? upright
Hi Dave, i know - i was just harassing Pat Draine for referring to Superior Imports in the present. Clumsy of me but i couldnt resist. You're right - Ford made some not-so-great copies of Steinway upright parts - the only ones available at the time.
Bill
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Original Message:
Sent: 10/8/2021 7:57:00 AM
From: Dave Conte
Subject: RE: 1904 Steinway N? upright
Hi, Bill.
Great to "see" you online. I thought APSCO was gone for good a couple decades ago.
Along with Ford Piano Supply. I got parts from both that nobody else made.
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Dave Conte
University of Tennessee
Knoxville TN
817-307-5656
Owner: Rocky Top Piano
Original Message:
Sent: 10-07-2021 12:36
From: William Shull
Subject: 1904 Steinway N? upright
Hi, Keith,
I'm interested in the build date of this piano. Could you provide a photo of the serial number? Steinway didn't universally treat these parts until about 1910 but may have treated some parts before this, and I'm intrigued about earlier dates.
Patrick, I'm sure you get most of your parts from Tuners Supply Co and American Piano Supply Co so don't need to notice that Tokiwa is imported by Pacific Piano Supply. :) :) Can't help myself.....
Bill
Original Message:
Sent: 10/7/2021 11:59:00 AM
From: Patrick Draine
Subject: RE: 1904 Steinway N? upright
Oops! Brain freeze! I meant Pacific Piano Supply! Sorry!
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Patrick Draine
Billerica MA
978-663-9690
Original Message:
Sent: 10-07-2021 10:41
From: Keith Roberts
Subject: 1904 Steinway N? upright
I googled Superior Piano and get nothing but Vandaking who sells Schaff parts.
Back to my original question,, the color of the bushing cloth in 1904,,, I hate to assume
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Keith Roberts
owner
Hathaway Pines CA
209-770-4312
Original Message:
Sent: 10-06-2021 23:01
From: Patrick Draine
Subject: 1904 Steinway N? upright
Superior Piano Supply imports/sells Tokiwa made replacement parts for older S&S verticals. Brooks Ltd carries the parts too (I believe they get the parts through Superior but I may be wrong).
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Patrick Draine
Billerica MA
978-663-9690
Original Message:
Sent: 10-06-2021 21:42
From: Keith Roberts
Subject: 1904 Steinway N? upright
Correct me if I'm wrong,,,
The center pin bushings on an old Steinway were red,,, Yes?
The whippen friction is so high they don't work and the felt you can see looks blue green, not red.
Does this mean the verdigris is that bad? Never seen it that bad.
I can get the whippen flanges but the jack flanges might need replacing also. Are those the standard jack flanges offered by Schaff?
Thank you in advance.
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Keith Roberts
owner
Hathaway Pines CA
209-770-4312
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