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  • 1.  What's wrong with this picture

    Posted 08-10-2019 06:28
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    A. B. Chase? Steinert? Hume?

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    Jon Page
    mailto:jonpage@pianocapecod.com
    http://www.pianocapecod.com
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  • 2.  RE: What's wrong with this picture

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 08-10-2019 12:42
    I can't make out the markings clearly, but I'm wondering if that says Steinway and Sons on the soundboard?

    Any more hints Jon?

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    Benjamin Sanchez, RPT
    Piano Technician / Artisan
    (805) 315-8050
    www.professional-piano-services.com
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  • 3.  RE: What's wrong with this picture

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 08-10-2019 13:15
    Did someone restring and forget about the rear duplex scale in the tenor section?

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    Matthew Helriegel
    Greenville SC
    864-254-8410
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  • 4.  RE: What's wrong with this picture

    Posted 08-10-2019 15:05
    Here's a photo of the case.

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    Jon Page
    mailto:jonpage@pianocapecod.com
    http://www.pianocapecod.com
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  • 5.  RE: What's wrong with this picture

    Posted 08-10-2019 15:37
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    Rear view:



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    Jon Page
    mailto:jonpage@pianocapecod.com
    http://www.pianocapecod.com
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  • 6.  RE: What's wrong with this picture

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 08-10-2019 16:13
    Wait.... Is it not a Steinway?

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    Benjamin Sanchez, RPT
    Piano Technician / Artisan
    (805) 315-8050
    www.professional-piano-services.com
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  • 7.  RE: What's wrong with this picture

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 08-10-2019 16:59
    Jewett maybe?

    Pwg

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    Peter Grey
    Stratham NH
    603-686-2395
    pianodoctor57@gmail.com
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  • 8.  RE: What's wrong with this picture

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 08-10-2019 17:40
    Hi Jon,

    Shouldn't the lid have a contoured (i.e routed) edge?

    And, isn't the decal positioned to the right of center?

    Mark Schecter
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  • 9.  RE: What's wrong with this picture

    Posted 08-10-2019 19:01
    Clues: Nose bolts, no duplex scales. No bevel on lid, leg profile, profile of case above key bed, music desk profile, pedal box, escutcheon on small lid brace.

    When a magnet is placed on the high-than-normal S&S reliefs on the string frame, it does not stick: Plaster appliqués. Top action frame is definitely not S&S.

    A good reason for S&S to monitor their decal procurement.

    A Counterfeit.


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    Regards,

    Jon Page
    mailto:jonpage@pianocapecod.com
    http://www.pianocapecod.com
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  • 10.  RE: What's wrong with this picture

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 08-10-2019 22:00
    Jon, AB Chase usually has a LOT of acreage in the soundboard behind the high treble bridge, and I can't tell from the first picture whether this is true in your case or not, but it does look like a Chase at first glance,

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    Michael McGuire RPT
    Maestro's Music International
    www.maestrosmusic.com
    www.iBuySteinways.com
    248-830-1430Clark
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  • 11.  RE: What's wrong with this picture

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 08-10-2019 22:01
    How did Mike McGuire's name get on there?

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    Michael McGuire RPT
    Maestro's Music International
    www.maestrosmusic.com
    www.iBuySteinways.com
    248-830-1430Clark
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  • 12.  RE: What's wrong with this picture

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 08-10-2019 22:17
    I just sent a screenshot to Clint

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    Larry Messerly, RPT
    Bringing Harmony to Homes
    www.lacrossepianotuning.com
    ljmesserly@gmail.com
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  • 13.  RE: What's wrong with this picture

    Posted 08-10-2019 22:30
    I didn't take the pix. They were sent to me from a prospective buyer. I advised to stay away.

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    Jon Page
    mailto:jonpage@pianocapecod.com
    http://www.pianocapecod.com
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  • 14.  RE: What's wrong with this picture

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 08-11-2019 13:34
    Jon,

    Absolutely right about SS monitoring their decals, etc.

    Had they taken the simple step 40+ years ago in the Larry Ashley/Pierce days as well as with DU of requiring model and serial number of piano anytime a SS decal was ordered, I suspect they would have far less (possibly near zero) problem with this than they "claim" they have now.  That is, in fact, what they SHOULD have done rather than simply print a 3 paragraph statement that basically says: 'this decal must go on a SS piano, or else'.  I believe this is one reason why their claims now would fall flat in a court of law today (and they know it). 

    Yamaha has required serial # verification for a very long time. Why was it so hard for SS to do such a simple thing (especially considering the fact that their licensing agreement doubtlessly funneled profit back to SS on each decal).  ​

    Someone please correct me if I'm wrong here.

    Pwg


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    Peter Grey
    Stratham NH
    603-686-2395
    pianodoctor57@gmail.com
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  • 15.  RE: What's wrong with this picture

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 08-11-2019 13:49
    I miss the days when I could order Yamaha grand damper felt to be used in other pianos.

    Surely it did no harm, and in no way invalidated the Yamaha brand name. It was such lovely felt! And I assume they made money selling it.

    I do understand their gray market problems, though, for their action parts.

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    Susan Kline
    Philomath, Oregon
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  • 16.  RE: What's wrong with this picture

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 08-11-2019 14:24
    Susan,

    I agree. I miss those days too. However, it is precisely the sort of "action" needed to satisfy trademark challenges in court. You have to prove that you have taken aggressive action to protect your product. If you do have such a record, the court proceedings can be relatively short. If you are lackadaisical about it the judge says: "Trademark law is very specific about what you need to do to keep on top of this if you intend to keep your trademark. Your actions are insufficient. You lose". 

    Pwg

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    Peter Grey
    Stratham NH
    603-686-2395
    pianodoctor57@gmail.com
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  • 17.  RE: What's wrong with this picture

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 08-11-2019 14:36
    It would be very helpful if a distinction could be made between supplies which could easily be used in any piano, and those which would only fit in the company's own pianos.

    Selling materials like damper felt or action cloth or key bushing cloth would not encourage people to refurbish gray market Yamahas the way selling action parts for their particular instruments would.

    However, it would require considerable bother to set up such a system, and as you say, the courts might have no interest in considering the actual facts of the case.

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    Susan Kline
    Philomath, Oregon
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  • 18.  RE: What's wrong with this picture

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 08-11-2019 15:17
    Susan and all,
    I'm puzzled. I've been ordering Yamaha bushing and damper felt for years (and recently) and I've never been asked to provide a piano serial number. Do you have an account with Yamaha? Maybe that could be the factor.
    Roger





  • 19.  RE: What's wrong with this picture

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 08-12-2019 01:33
    I'm with you, Roger.

    I've ordered Yamaha damper felt and key top material for use on other pianos many times.  Haven't had an issue.

    Dale Fox RPT






  • 20.  RE: What's wrong with this picture

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 08-13-2019 09:50
    All-Yamaha no longer requires a serial number verification.

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    David Brown
    Garland TX
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  • 21.  RE: What's wrong with this picture

    Posted 08-12-2019 17:45
    Sorry about that, I think I have it fixed but please let me know if you see it again Clark. 

    (There was a signature bug that appears to have gotten worse as they tried to fix it, thanks)

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    Clinton Sears
    Piano Technicians Guild
    Kansas City KS
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