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Upright piano handling

  • 1.  Upright piano handling

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-21-2019 12:19
    All,  Schaff sells a piano handling device that supposedly enables a single person to lay an upright on its back for shop work.  Does it really work?  I have never used one.  
    Alternately, are there other options ( not counting brute force)?

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    Walter Bagnall RPT
    [Better Music Piano Tuning]
    Chillicothe OH
    [www.bettermusicpianotuning.com]
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  • 2.  RE: Upright piano handling

    Posted 09-21-2019 12:21
    Used one for 20+ years. It works great!

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    Terry Reznicek
    St. Croix Falls WI
    715-557-0930
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  • 3.  RE: Upright piano handling

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-21-2019 13:59
    The piano tilters work great; they're a required tool. HOWEVER, I did run into a big problem when I was replacing metal castors on a Yamaha U-1 piano. I had tilted the piano, and put on the rubber, double-wheeled castors. I started to tilt the piano back to vertical. When the rear castors contacted the floor, they worked too well and the piano literally rolled off the tilter. With a LOUD bang, the piano ended up on its back on the slick tiled floor. I was working in a classroom right above the library and one of the librarians dashed up to see what had happened and if I was okay. I was fine, but the piano wasn't. The aluminum action rail was bent and the lid was damaged. Both were repaired without much problem. 

    There are two takeaways from my minor disaster. 1: check the bottom board. Yamaha U-1s of that era (and maybe still today) have a bottom board that is recessed from the back edge of the back of the piano. This means that only the tips of the tabs on the tilter touched/contacted the bottom board.  2) Before tilting, strap the tilter to the back of the piano with movers straps. It's sort of a hassle, but it guarantees that the piano won't slide off. I had used the tilter countless times before that without straps and without a problem, but the construction of the U-1, the slick floor, and the new castors conspired to bring down the piano. 

    Richard West








  • 4.  RE: Upright piano handling

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-21-2019 14:12

    ???????? Before tilting, strap the tilter to the back of the piano with movers straps. It's sort of a hassle, but it guarantees that the piano won't slide off. I had used the tilter countless times before that without straps and without a problem, but the construction of the U-1, the slick floor, and the new castors conspired to bring down the piano.

    ?????? Absolutely a must. I have a small chunk of bone out of a shin from the back edge of a Yamaha lid to prove it.?? Then the piano continued to slide down and slam on my foot.?? Not a good day.????

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    Clark A. Sprague, RPT www.clarkspianoservice.com

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  • 5.  RE: Upright piano handling

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-21-2019 14:15
    Can anyone explain why, when I hit reply fo group, these pesky ?????? get inserted in the message?  Frustrating.  NOT a typo.   Clark

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    Clark Sprague
    Bowling Green OH
    419-352-2198
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  • 6.  RE: Upright piano handling

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-21-2019 17:00
    I think the moving straps a necessary addition to the tilter.

    I have also used two 2X6 boards, each long enough to span both lips of the tilter; the width of the tilter. I place these between the bottom board of the piano and the lips of the tilter. This gives the piano the added height off the ground to clear the new casters or the new 2 part piano dolly that you've installed.

    I have also flattened two 8 inch long pipes. These can be slipped on the lips of the tilter giving the piano added support underneath.

    Nancy Salmon, RPT
    LaVale, MD 21502





  • 7.  RE: Upright piano handling

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-21-2019 14:43
    I had the same thing happen to me, as Richard, also with a U1. When the new back casters hit the floor, the piano slid off the tilter. No damage to the action, but the edge of one of the lips of the tilter caught the edge of the top, and tore off a chunk of veneer. Between moving the piano and getting the top repaired, I lost $500 on that job.

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    Willem "Wim" Blees, RPT
    Mililani, HI 96789
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  • 8.  RE: Upright piano handling

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-21-2019 12:41
    I have had the #1901 Schaff “Repair Truck” twenty-six years. Works great! It’s heavy and bulky, so it only goes out with me when I need it. Paid for itself long ago.

    I know other technicians that have a smaller & lighter design that folds for more compact transport. I don’t know the name or source, but others on the list can help us.

    I can’t imagine being without mine.

    Doug Garman, RPT
    Doug Garman Piano Service
    817-578-4796
    Schedule your next tuning appointment at: https://gazelleapp.io/scheduling/Qt0mmtkYGCKNjCLFVjT3Wdjv




  • 9.  RE: Upright piano handling

    Member
    Posted 09-21-2019 14:51
    Hi,
    I'm 5'2", 120lbs. I used the big shop version (Part hardwood, part steel) non-collapsible for several years until I had opportunity to trade for an all steel collapsible with 2 handles, not 1. Easy to use, always strap the piano back to it. One caution, spinets rest too near the base of the tilter and must be shifted up toward the handles to balance correctly.

    Deb





  • 10.  RE: Upright piano handling

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-21-2019 16:38
    Thanks everyone.  I will definitely get one, and some mover's straps!

    Debra, where could I get the collapsing type?

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    Walter Bagnall RPT
    [Better Music Piano Tuning]
    Chillicothe OH
    [www.bettermusicpianotuning.com]
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  • 11.  RE: Upright piano handling

    Member
    Posted 09-21-2019 16:57
    Schaff no.1901
    (If they still stock them)

    Deb






  • 12.  RE: Upright piano handling

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-21-2019 17:03
    Awesome,  thanks!

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    Walter Bagnall RPT
    [Better Music Piano Tuning]
    Chillicothe OH
    [www.bettermusicpianotuning.com]
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  • 13.  RE: Upright piano handling

    Posted 09-21-2019 21:42
    Put 2 wooden blocks, so piano doesn’t stay on casters before you tilt it . It will not slide out from your .

    Alexander Brusilovsky




  • 14.  RE: Upright piano handling

    Posted 09-22-2019 07:39
    I have had what sounds like Debra's collapsable all-steel tilter for 20 years. Tilted many pianos without incident. Always use a strap around lower portion of piano and tilter (well, almost always!). Get one for sure. Great around shop also. All my plates go on tilter for work and painting also (my tilter started out black, but now is largely gold). With a piece of plywood laid on it, functions as a nice little table on wheels.

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    Terry Farrell
    Farrell Piano Service, Inc.
    Brandon, Florida
    terry@farrellpiano.com
    813-684-3505
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  • 15.  RE: Upright piano handling

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-22-2019 02:06
    This is actually a 55 gallon drum cradle which is probably available from an industrial supply house if Schaff has dropped it.

    Robert Edwardsen
    Registered Piano Technician
    PO Box 334
    Pittsford NY 14534
    585-586-1360
    edwardsenpianoservice.com
    eedward2@rochester.rr.com




  • 16.  RE: Upright piano handling

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-22-2019 06:17
    All great advice,  thanks folks!

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    Walter Bagnall RPT
    [Better Music Piano Tuning]
    Chillicothe OH
    [www.bettermusicpianotuning.com]
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  • 17.  RE: Upright piano handling

    Posted 09-21-2019 21:58
    I've been married for 48 years...not single, and it still works.  Sorry for the bad joke.  Yes, Mr. Bagnall...the tippers work perfectly as long as you respect the weight and the physics of the angles.  I've had a couple of disasters in the past, but they were definitely my own fault.

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    Ted Rohde
    Central Illinois
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  • 18.  RE: Upright piano handling

    Posted 09-22-2019 08:41
    I had a welder increase the length of the two "stubs" that go under the piano. This seems to make it harder for the piano to slip off when lifting it back up.





  • 19.  RE: Upright piano handling

    Posted 09-22-2019 11:25
    I've read that some folks weld or otherwise attach a stout nail to the end of the "stubs" to grip the bottom board of the piano. I've not done that as a well-placed strap seems to do the job quite well.

    Also, when setting the piano upright, be sure to rotate the rear wheels so that they point forward - that helps the wheels contact the floor when the piano is in a more upright position - thus reducing the tendency for the piano to scoot off the tilter (which, I guess, wouldn't happen anyway if one uses a strap).

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    Terry Farrell
    Farrell Piano Service, Inc.
    Brandon, Florida
    terry@farrellpiano.com
    813-684-3505
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