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Explaing inharmonicity to customers

  • 1.  Explaing inharmonicity to customers

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 01-26-2017 15:17
    I have occasionally been confronted by customers evaluating my tuning with a chromatic tuning device.  I searched for a straightforward pre-written explanation but didn't really find one I liked.  Some of them were unnecessarily detailed, some of them were downright incorrect ("the human ear prefers to hears tones sharp!")  I wrote one myself, had my musician/wife read it and she was still confused.  I worked with her until I got this basic no frills version that seemed to be best.  I'm curious if anyone else has found something better than this... let me know!  Here it is...........

    In piano tuning, there is a somewhat difficult concept to understand regarding "stretch tuning" and "inharmonicity".  This has come up most often when a musician measures the tuning of a piano using a basic electronic tuner suitable for guitars or other instruments.  Some of them are inexpensive "apps"for a smartphone, others such as chromatic strobe tuners seem quite impressive in their accuracy and features.  This can become a complicated subject, but let me try my best to explain in a straightforward way why piano tuning cannot be evaluated in this way.

    Piano strings vibrate as a whole and in sections.  The sections are called "partial", "harmonics", or "overtones".  The pitch of a string is determined by the vibration of the whole length of string, called the fundamental.  Different notes blend together because of their combination of partials.  Octaves are uniquely related notes.  The partials of octaves are almost perfect doubles.  For instance, if a lower note has a frequency of 1000 hz (cycles per second), then the note one octave above has a frequency of 2000 hz.  They match together well because a partial from the lower note is also 2000 hz.

    However, there is a problem.  Because piano strings are stiff, the length of each partial in a pianos is a bit shorter than we would expect.  Consequently, the pitch of the partials/harmonics/overtones are a bit higher than expected. Therefore, the octaves must be tuned a bit sharper than the theoretical frequencies to sound musical together.  Early electronic tuners in the 1950s got a bad reputation, because they ignored inharmonicity.  Inexpensive chromatic tuners have the same problem, no matter how accurate they measure frequency.  In measuring a well tuned piano, they will find the treble to seem sharp, and the bass to be flat.  They can be accurate in measuring a concert  pitch in the center of the keyboard.  It is, of course, important to agree on the pitch standard.  Usually A=440, but some symphonies use A=442 or 443 as their standard.

    Tuning a piano aurally (by ear), naturally accommodates the problem with inharmonicity.  Expensive electronic piano tuning devices also measure inharmonicity and make the needed adjustments. Pianos that are properly tuned usually have no major problems playing with other instruments or singing voices. 



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    Thomas Armstrong
    Salinas CA
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  • 2.  RE: Explaing inharmonicity to customers

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 01-26-2017 21:32
    Hi Thomas:

    Sounds good, but one thing you said doesn't make sense to me. "Because piano strings are stiff, the length of each partial in a pianos is a bit shorter than we would expect. Consequently, the pitch of the partials/harmonics/overtones are a bit higher than expected."

    Explain how the length of each partial is a bit shorter due to stiffness.

    You might also explain what the difference between low and high inharmonicity is. I'm a bit "uncertain" about it myself.

    Paul McCloud
    San Diego




  • 3.  RE: Explaing inharmonicity to customers

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 01-26-2017 22:12
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    Here is a little physics, but this is how I think of it. On a string you have different partials. Mathematically they will all line up perfect,  but in reality you have inharmonicity so those numbers aren't accurate. When a string vibrates you have nodes and antinodes. The nodes are the points where the string has minimum amplitude and the antinodes are the places with the most amplitude. When we look at the different partials mathematically, the nodes are a point, so they have no dimension. The result is the numbers that line up perfectly. 

            Piano wire is stiff, and because if that it causes the nodes to turn into small lines rather than points. When the nodes turn into lines it causes the antinodes to become smaller which will push the pitch sharper. If you look at a spinet piano vs a longer grand, the spinet will have more inharmonicity, but why? Spinet pianos use thicker piano wire compared to longer pianos/ grands. Because of the thicker wire it causes the nodes to became longer lines which cause the antinodes to become shorter, making the pitch sharper. Longer pianos/ grands have thinner wire. With the thinner wire it causes the notes to be shorter in length compared to smaller pianos. Since the nodes are smaller on the longer pianos/ grands, it causes the antinodes to be longer resulting in less inharmonicity. Hope this kinda makes sense. 

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    Lucas Brookins, RPT
    Janesville WI

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  • 4.  RE: Explaing inharmonicity to customers

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 01-27-2017 00:30
    The trouble with describing the "nodes" as having dimension that shortens the speaking lengths of the partials as an explanation for inharmonicity is;  a node by definition has no dimension. A node is a point in space that is defined by the activities surrounding it.

    Better to think about the restoring forces that are acting on our friendly little string. The obvious one tension, but also the all important one of the inherent springiness of the wire material itself. So when you subdivide the periodic string motion into shorter length partials the proportion of restoring force due to wire stiffness increases exponentially and the tension restoring force is the same in all segments.

    Wire stiffness also alters the frequency of the fundamental from theoretically derived perfectly flexible string behavior, but we just zero this out because it is too confusing to incorporate it.

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    Edward McMorrow
    Edmonds WA
    425-299-3431
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  • 5.  RE: Explaing inharmonicity to customers

    Posted 01-27-2017 09:07

    Note: I am not an engineer or piano designer. My degree is in music, but I explain this all the time, so either my clients are super bright, are lying to me to be kind as I stand there wearing a foil hat, or my explanation sort of makes sense. Slightly. 

    I explain it like this:

    Suppose you have a wire which is 1 meter in length, which is 100cm (we don't use the metric system here in the US commonly, but the math is easier).

    That wire is vibrating 100 times per second, which we call 100hz (I the play a note in the range of 100 like A2).

    As crazy as it sounds, the half length of that wire is vibrating as well, in two equal lengths. This produces a pitch which is double the value of the fundamental pitch, which is an octave.

    Now play a note while touching the wire at half length to demonstrate harmonic to the client.

    This division or point has no mathematical value, which is impossible, right?

    This point must have some value, which varies with the weight and tension of the string. This half-length pitch should be 200hz or two hundred cycles per second, and the half length of the wire should be 50cm, right? Approving nod....hopefully. 

    Now, imagine cutting a piece of wood - a 2x4 - in half. If it started out as 100cm, would the two halves be equal? Of course not, since the width of the saw blade would have to be subtracted. If the saw blade is 4mm, then each segment would be 49.8cm, and this shorter length will vibrate slightly sharp of 200hz. This discrepancy, or out of tune-ness, is called inharmonicicy. I also explain that a short piece of wood has less flexibility than a long piece - which everyone seems to understand. Hence longer string = lower inharmonicity. 

    I then explain that there are many subdivisions of the string, and the each segment is more out of tune mathematically than the previous division simply because there are more "cuts" to the wire, and send them off to the source of all things good and true  - Wikipedia - so that they may mentally remove my foil hat and reclassify me as Not Quite Insane. 

    I do this about 5-6 times per week, and have several apprentices I'm in the process of explaingin this to.  The thing is, intellectually it's pretty straight forward, but man, when you start trying to teach an actual musician to listen to the piano this way, you realize how little headway you've actually made. 

    My ultimate goal is to explain this in 2 minutes, satisfy their curiosity, redirect them towards getting me a cup of coffee, and maintain billable hours. Perhaps a simple brochure on how this subject would be worthwhile. 

    Wow, I really should stay away from the internet when I can't sleep. 



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    Vincent Chambers
    Chico CA
    530-924-4469
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  • 6.  RE: Explaing inharmonicity to customers

    Posted 01-27-2017 09:34
    Wow! That's the explanation I'm using from now on . . .

    Best,
    Jim




  • 7.  RE: Explaing inharmonicity to customers

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 01-27-2017 11:46
    If you remember from geometry class. The "points" drawn are never given any dimensional value. They are marked with pencil to define the space. It is the lines in space that intersect that outline geometric shapes.

    It is the same with drawing the geometry of waves in an elastic medium. The points defining the modes have no dimension. They are not termination points. Simple harmonic motion creates the modes and nodes. The termination points are the ones with  dimension.

    We look bad as a profession when we "invent" new terminology to describe what other disciplines have already agreed is the simplest definition.

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    Edward McMorrow
    Edmonds WA
    425-299-3431
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  • 8.  RE: Explaing inharmonicity to customers

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 01-27-2017 12:17
    Vincent --

    I have been using a similar discussion with my customers but was using the thickness of the string and the fact that the termination point is not finite as the reason for inharmonicity. In other words, the termination point is a curve, not a hinge. Same thing with partials. I like your wood cut example a lot more. Totally removes the science from the subject and turns it into easily understood logic. Thanks for simplifying. 

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    Geoff Sykes, RPT
    Los Angeles CA
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  • 9.  RE: Explaing inharmonicity to customers

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 01-27-2017 12:45
    I tried an experiment this morning.  Using Tunelab, I set up a new file with no inharmonicity readings, so that when I chose a note and scrolled through the partials, they were all perfect multiples.  I then took multiple measurements of A2, starting with the fundamental, and scrolling up to about the 12 partial.  The fundamental could be seen as being somewhat below 110 cps, and the partials could be seen getting progressively sharper as higher partials were measured.

    Maybe another simple argument for the customer would involve demonstrating the presence of the higher partials in the lower note using the ghosting technique, demonstrating the "stretch" that occurs in the partials of the single note, and explaining that the higher A's need to find some agreement with the partials of the lower note, not with some mathematical ideal. 

    I don't have a guitar tuner with me, but it would be interesting to see measurements of the various partials of a single note, again using ghosting to excite the partials we wanted to measure.

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    Floyd Gadd
    Regina SK
    306-721-9699
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  • 10.  RE: Explaing inharmonicity to customers

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 01-27-2017 22:00
    I try to keep the complexity (and length of explanation) to a minimum when I talk to clients about this:

    Piano strings are under very high tension, which increases the stiffness of the strings. This distorts the higher overtones such that the treble of the piano needs to be tuned sharp and the bass flat to make the piano sound in-tune with itself

    This explanation has several benefits:

    a) it explains why pianos are so different than other musical instruments, which is usually where people's confusion starts

    b) most people have heard of overtones so I don't need to explain anything about it

    c) it describes the readings that their chromatic tuners would show them

    d) it is very short and satisfies most clients without their eyes glazing over

    Of course, if the client has more questions I am very happy to explain how it all works in more detail, but for most people, this is all they want to know.

    Oh, and I already know that I am going to piano tuner hell for telling clients that the overtones are distorted instead of saying that the partials are distorted and then having to explain to the client the difference between an overtone and a partial :)

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    Peter Stevenson RPT
    P.S. Piano Service
    Prince George BC
    250-562-5358
    ps@pspianoservice.com
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  • 11.  RE: Explaing inharmonicity to customers

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 01-27-2017 22:28
    Good try, Peter, but tension on the string actually reduces the inharmonicity.
    It is probably best not to try giving physics lessons,
    How about: Compared to a flute or oboe, the overtones of a piano string are complex, and this makes piano tuning complicated.

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    Ed Sutton
    ed440@me.com
    (980) 254-7413
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  • 12.  RE: Explaing inharmonicity to customers

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 01-27-2017 23:11
    Ed,

    Yes, I suppose that is another point in which I am going to piano tuner hell. Technically the inharmonicity comes from the stiffness of the wire, but the reason why pianos have stiff wire is because of the high tension. The point for the client is that it is because piano strings are under such high tension (as opposed to a harp, a zither, or a harpsichord) that a piano has inharmonicity.

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    Peter Stevenson RPT
    P.S. Piano Service
    Prince George BC
    250-562-5358
    ps@pspianoservice.com
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  • 13.  RE: Explaing inharmonicity to customers

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 01-28-2017 00:29
    The reason I don't like explanations that don't conform to physics is, this habit of mind, demeans the mind.

    Learning the proper simple mechanistic explanations structures ones thinking differently. This enables clearer thought in the future. If I may be so bold: We are what we think!

    I don't get any push back from clients when I explain stiffness and simple harmonic motion. We are professionals. We should use the apropriate engineering parlance.

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    Edward McMorrow
    Edmonds WA
    425-299-3431
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  • 14.  RE: Explaing inharmonicity to customers

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 01-28-2017 06:47
    Peter, the wire with no tension has highest inharmonicity, it behaves like a steel rod. Adding tension reduces the inharmonicity, and increasing tension reduces inharmonicity even more.
    When i hear piano technicians talk about the physics of inharmonicity I usually hear them using images which I don't think are supported by the physics, as I understand them.
    The images used in texts are idealized and out-of-date. High speed videos don't show standing waves subdividing the piano wire into multiple sections, they show displacements of the string moving at different speeds.
    Risking error I warned against, I suggest that the inharmonicity of a piano string may be understood as a compromise between the partials of a rod and those of an ideal string. As tension is increased, the partials the harmonic ideal.

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    Ed Sutton
    ed440@me.com
    (980) 254-7413
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  • 15.  RE: Explaing inharmonicity to customers

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 01-30-2017 18:29
    I just tell my customer that the overtones of piano strings are progressive sharper - the higher the overtone, the sharper it is - because of the nature of piano wire. So we need to compensate when we tune. It is complicated by the fact that different strings will have different curves (I "illustrate" by moving my hand upward in a couple differently steep curves), and we need to try to match those curves together the best we can. We also need to compensate for the fact that the ear "wants"/"expects" higher notes to be even higher.

    No need to get into the mechanics, unless your customer is a physicist (I have a physicist customer, and we get into very involved discussions). 

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    Fred Sturm
    University of New Mexico
    fssturm@unm.edu
    http://fredsturm.net
    http://www.artoftuning.com
    "We either make ourselves happy or miserable. The amount of work is the same." - Carlos Casteneda
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