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Protek CLP "going bad"

  • 1.  Protek CLP "going bad"

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 08-11-2019 20:41
    Has anyone had experience with CLP no longer being effective? After applying to some hammer flanges recently it did not make any difference in gram resistance or number of swings.   Possibly due to being left in a hot car too often?
    And a few weeks ago, in repinning, on a few flanges it seemed to make things worse instead of better. Our hypothesis on this is that it reacted with the glue the previous tech used in rebushing to "gum up the works".. fortunately this was a temporary sluggishness, as soon as things evaporated off the flange returned to normal.  But I've never had it interact with glue before..
    Experiences ? Ideas? references?  I tried a short search within Pianotech, but that was futile.
    Thanks,

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    Sheffey Gregory, RPT
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  • 2.  RE: Protek CLP "going bad"

    Posted 08-11-2019 22:18
    hi Sheffey,
    never experienced it myself. i had a lot of glue go bad though in the Summer in my car. I bought a small refrigerator (a 40qt Coleman at Walmart some 12 yrs ago) that plugs in to my cigarette lighter and none of the glues/lubricants ever got bad anymore.  They are around $90 now.
    Peter

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    Petrus Janssen
    Peachtree City GA
    678-416-8055
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  • 3.  RE: Protek CLP "going bad"

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 08-11-2019 22:33
    My car gets quite hot year round and I've had no problem and pretty much universal good luck with clp. The one exception being pins with verdigris, the clp can just turn that into goo.

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    Steven Rosenthal
    Honolulu HI
    808-521-7129
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  • 4.  RE: Protek CLP "going bad"

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 08-12-2019 02:34
    My understanding is that ProTek shrinks the bushings. Is it possible that the bushings were already shrunk though previous conditions as much as they possibly could, thus not shrinking any more?

    Never experienced it gumming up, but I have heard of it working too well and causing an extremely loose bushing.

    Sincerely,

    Benjamin Sanchez, RPT
    Piano Technician / Artisan
    (805) 315-8050
    www.professional-piano-services.com




  • 5.  RE: Protek CLP "going bad"

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 08-12-2019 07:09
    Steve,

    The reason it turns it into goo is that it partially dissolves it, then when evaporated it re-congeals. To be effective one must actually remove the stuff. 

    I have had no problem like what Sheffey reports, however I no longer use Protek. 

    Pwg

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    Peter Grey
    Stratham NH
    603-686-2395
    pianodoctor57@gmail.com
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  • 6.  RE: Protek CLP "going bad"

    Posted 08-12-2019 07:14
    hello Peter,
    what do you use instead of Protek CLP?
    thanks,
    Peter

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    Petrus Janssen
    Peachtree City GA
    678-416-8055
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  • 7.  RE: Protek CLP "going bad"

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 08-13-2019 02:49
    I bought a gallon of protek in the early 90’s which I am still using. It still is working.

    Robert Edwardsen
    Registered Piano Technician
    PO Box 334
    Pittsford NY 14534
    585-586-1360
    edwardsenpianoservice.com
    eedward2@rochester.rr.com




  • 8.  RE: Protek CLP "going bad"

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 08-13-2019 07:37
    Peter,

    I use Jon Page's CBL. It works as well on center pins as It does on counterbearings.

    Pwg

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    Peter Grey
    Stratham NH
    603-686-2395
    pianodoctor57@gmail.com
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  • 9.  RE: Protek CLP "going bad"

    Member
    Posted 08-13-2019 09:04
    I have never had an issue with CLP even after having drawn it up and leaving it in an applicator bottle for an extended amount of time. Sometimes in the summer the temperature in my car can go as high as 145 degrees on the dash and you could keep food warm. Recently I had one of those battery packs used to jump start cars swell up out of the case from the heat. I will be putting the new one in an insulated bag under the seat. 

    Perhaps the centers you used it on had been treated previously or the bushings where contaminated. If the center pins have verdigris CLP will not help very much nor will it work well if the plating on the pins is flaking/shedding ala Young Chang , Samick. Not sure about a glue/clp issue.

    My problem with CLP is always have enough of it when I need it or finding it in the van. To solve the lost CLP problem I know have an ORANGE ammo box with a flammable sticker that houses glues, CLP, epoxies, applicators. i can find it at a glance as well as make sure the stuff is not sitting in the sun all day.

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    James Kelly
    Pawleys Island SC
    843-325-4357
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  • 10.  RE: Protek CLP "going bad"

    Member
    Posted 08-13-2019 10:04
    Would Jon's CBL work like DMSO? 
    My girlfriend is a massage therapist and the bottle for her oil is the same. She thought it was CBD oil,,,,, 
    She didn't but I was wondering.
    Jon needs a better label.

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    Keith Roberts
    owner
    Hathaway Pines CA
    209-728-2163
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  • 11.  RE: Protek CLP "going bad"

    Posted 08-13-2019 17:11
    Point taken. I've modified the label to indicate specific piano use.

    I'll leave off the warning of:
    "Keep Away From Children and Physical Theorists".
    Not for topical use. Do not take internally.
    Avoid getting in eyes. Rinse thoroughly and seek medical attention.
    Keep away from flame.
    Wash hands after use.
    Don't call me, I'll call you. :-)

    ...on second thought...call me! (e-mail is best though).
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    Regards,

    Jon Page
    mailto:jonpage@pianocapecod.com
    http://www.pianocapecod.com
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