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  • 1.  Epoxy as a gluing agent?

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 01-13-2019 14:18
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    I just completed re-gluing the upper plate to the vertical posts of a lyre. This lyre was previously "glued" using epoxy. Upon inspection, I noticed the break was extremely clean, as if from a mold. I have never advocated using epoxy as a gluing agent and this clean break justifies my reasoning. The clean break was an indicator the epoxy didn't penetrate the wood as well as aliphatic resin such as Titebond. A good adhesion will pull wood fibers when separated.
    Roger



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    Roger Gable
    Gable Piano
    Everett WA
    425-252-5000
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  • 2.  RE: Epoxy as a gluing agent?

    Posted 01-13-2019 18:08
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    Once epoxy has permeated the surfaces, epoxy is the only adhesive to use.  The wedges might not have bee reset the last time. Once the glue is set, install #14 hex head sheet metal screws along the glue joint to lock the two pieces.​

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    Regards,

    Jon Page
    mailto:jonpage@pianocapecod.com
    http://www.pianocapecod.com
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  • 3.  RE: Epoxy as a gluing agent?

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 01-13-2019 18:32
    Hi, Jon.  So, did you drill and put the screws in after the glue was dry, or when it was first applied?

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    Clark A. Sprague, RPT
    Bowling Green, OH
    www.clarkspianoservice.com
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  • 4.  RE: Epoxy as a gluing agent?

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 01-13-2019 18:34
    Ok, duh.  After the glue was set.  Sorry.  I have to do this repair soon, to a lyre that has NO wedges, and saw your post.  Does it make a difference when you put in the screws?

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    Clark A. Sprague, RPT
    Bowling Green, OH
    www.clarkspianoservice.com
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  • 5.  RE: Epoxy as a gluing agent?

    Posted 01-13-2019 20:37
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    The screws are 3" long. I countersink smaller washers now and place the screws on the 'diagonal' to bite into the corner portion of the vertical where there is more wood.  I repaired a loose leg mortice recently by regluing and then installing 9" Timber Lock screws in the four corners. Here's another Yamaha Lyre reinforcement attached.

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    Regards,

    Jon Page
    mailto:jonpage@pianocapecod.com
    http://www.pianocapecod.com
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  • 6.  RE: Epoxy as a gluing agent?

    Posted 01-14-2019 06:27
    Roger G wrote: "The clean break was an indicator the epoxy didn't penetrate the wood as well as aliphatic resin such as Titebond. A good adhesion will pull wood fibers when separated."

    Correct! But you are incorrect that epoxy is not a good adhesive to use in a similar situation. One needs to use an appropriate epoxy in a correct manner. One often hears of folks using JB Weld - nothing wrong with JB Weld or similar epoxies, but a thick epoxy like that isn't going to adhere very well to the wood - as you point out in your case. One either needs to use an epoxy of appropriate viscosity with appropriate wetting-out properties, or use something  like the West System two-step bonding method where unthickened epoxy is applied to both surfaces so it can soak in a bit and then the thicker gap-filling epoxy mixture is applied.


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    Terry Farrell
    Farrell Piano Service, Inc.
    Brandon, Florida
    terry@farrellpiano.com
    813-684-3505
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