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  • 1.  Action brackets

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 02-06-2020 16:50
    Does Samick have the action bracket problem like T.V.?

    I'm having my suspicions on the one I'm working on right now. 

    Pwg

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    Peter Grey
    Stratham NH
    603-686-2395
    pianodoctor57@gmail.com
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  • 2.  RE: Action brackets

    Posted 02-06-2020 17:44
    TV? Do you mean YC?

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    Regards,

    Jon Page
    mailto:jonpage@pianocapecod.com
    http://www.pianocapecod.com
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  • 3.  RE: Action brackets

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 02-06-2020 17:50
    Yes, I did not realize my spell corrector did that. 

    Serial number on this runt baby grand is: IJFG0173  Does anyone remember the code for figuring out the year of manufacture?

    Action is exhibiting signs like it, wide let-off but no escapment, bobbling hammers, etc.

    Pwg

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    Peter Grey
    Stratham NH
    603-686-2395
    pianodoctor57@gmail.com
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  • 4.  RE: Action brackets

    Member
    Posted 02-06-2020 19:48
    The serial number range I have is 050000 to 118750  but I am not sure what makes that block applies to. The main years were 1990 to 1995 and the problem was in Wurlitzers, Weber, Knabe,Cline, Piano-Disc PD, Samick & Schuman  .  

    If the brackets are silver that is one hint. Also look for paint blisters, cracks, wrinkles in the paint, fine line cracks, crumbled pieces of metal . You have to give the serial number to them when you request new brackets. The Pierce Atlas may help dating the piano or owner may have paperwork that helps

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    James Kelly
    Owner- Fur Elise Piano Service
    Pawleys Island SC
    843-325-4357
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  • 5.  RE: Action brackets

    Posted 02-07-2020 04:56
    Peter G. wrote: "Action is exhibiting signs like it, wide let-off but no escapment, bobbling hammers, etc."

    I've done bracket jobs at at least a dozen Young Chang grands with the growing brackets. I've not ever seen wide let-off or bobbling hammers. What I have seen is hammer let-off approaching the strings until they block against the strings. Sounds to me like you have something else going on....


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    Terry Farrell
    Farrell Piano Service, Inc.
    Brandon, Florida
    terry@farrellpiano.com
    813-684-3505
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  • 6.  RE: Action brackets

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 02-06-2020 20:27
    I used to work for the Samick dealer in town, and later we dropped them and got Young Chang. I don't recall Samick having the same bracket problem at all.
    Paul McCloud
    San Diego




  • 7.  RE: Action brackets

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 02-06-2020 22:27
    Many Samick grands have the top action mounted too low for the string height/bore distance. Symptoms are unable to set escapement properly close.

    I have fixed some that needed 3/8" blocks added to the action blocks on the keyframe.

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    Edward McMorrow
    Edmonds WA
    425-299-3431
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  • 8.  RE: Action brackets

    Posted 02-07-2020 00:44
    ⅜"? Were you able to raise the capstan that much safely?

    I had a Piano the needed the top action to be elevated 8mm. I had to shim the bottom of the key frame and the top of the back rail in order for the capstan to have a solid purchase in the keystick. The top third of the hammers needed to be rehung, closer to the center, s much as 2 mm on C8. Nice piano now.

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    Regards,

    Jon Page
    mailto:jonpage@pianocapecod.com
    http://www.pianocapecod.com
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  • 9.  RE: Action brackets

    Posted 02-07-2020 06:42
    Also check the action spread, 112.5 mm (Since it was made in 1990). The wippen rail might have migrated forwards. Post 1991 is 113.5 mm. Another way to check spread is if the knuckle core aligns with the jack center at rest.

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    Regards,

    Jon Page
    mailto:jonpage@pianocapecod.com
    http://www.pianocapecod.com
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  • 10.  RE: Action brackets

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 02-07-2020 09:06
    Thanks, this is all good information. Next time I will take a closer look inside and check for these parameters. Owner is on a shoestring and overpaid for the piano. Hopefully can make it work better at a reasonable price. 

    Pwg

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    Peter Grey
    Stratham NH
    603-686-2395
    pianodoctor57@gmail.com
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  • 11.  RE: Action brackets

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 02-07-2020 10:17
    Because the owner overpaid is no reason to underpay yourself

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    Larry Messerly, RPT
    Bringing Harmony to Homes
    www.lacrossepianotuning.com
    ljmesserly@gmail.com
    928-899-7292
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  • 12.  RE: Action brackets

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 02-07-2020 10:25
    Larry,  I agree fully. 😁

    Pwg

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    Peter Grey
    Stratham NH
    603-686-2395
    pianodoctor57@gmail.com
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  • 13.  RE: Action brackets

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 02-07-2020 13:25
    I recently tuned an Otto Altenburg (Samick made) short grand from 1992. Apart from many issues, trying to regulate a sample to a workable position, I found the let-off dowel running out of room to get escapement close enough. My next visit, if it happens, I will investigate the action stack height.

    Also, the wippen rail was loose, so I tightened it as a best guess as to where to place it (centered over the capstans and measuring 112.5 mm action spread.) Still couldn’t regulate the jacks far enough toward the hammers. That should have been my clue that the action spread wasn’t right, but this piano was a first visit in a busy restaurant, and triage was the game at hand. Later I found out from Samick the action spread spec is 114 mm.

    I had not considered expanding brackets until Peter’s query about Samicks so it also now makes me wonder. The let-off wasn’t blocking, nor hammers bobbling, but that could’ve been due to the 12mm dip and 12 mm let-off (didn’t detect broken jacks.)

    The whole piano was so far out of regulation, it makes me question that either something happened, or the factory just let this one fly.

    Joe Wiencek




  • 14.  RE: Action brackets

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 02-07-2020 19:09
    Yeah, this one also is so far out its laughable. I had to do the unthinkable (crank the balance rail studs down alot) just to get some semblance of key dip. Barely changed the escapement. Kind of hope I never see it again...

    Pwg

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    Peter Grey
    Stratham NH
    603-686-2395
    pianodoctor57@gmail.com
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  • 15.  RE: Action brackets

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 02-09-2020 09:08
    Ed, 

    So measuring string height, shank ctr pin height, and hammer bore to see how these relate would be the way to diagnose this?...or something else? 

    Pwg

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    Peter Grey
    Stratham NH
    603-686-2395
    pianodoctor57@gmail.com
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