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Frequency Identifying Software

  • 1.  Frequency Identifying Software

    Posted 05-01-2020 16:46
    I tried a few apps on Android with no good results. Is there a good software or app that identifies frequency at each partial? I'm trying to measure the first 4 partials of A0-A1.


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    Cobrun Sells
    cobrun94@yahoo.com
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  • 2.  RE: Frequency Identifying Software

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 05-01-2020 17:19
    Reyburn Cybertuner's Pianalyzer module does this.

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    Larry Lobel RPT
    San Francisco chapter
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  • 3.  RE: Frequency Identifying Software

    Member
    Posted 05-01-2020 17:38
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    Here's a spreadsheet that calculates all partials 1-2-3-4-5-6-8 from A0 to C8, using A(1)=440 and with no inharmonicity, no stretch, i.e. not possible in any real piano. But here it is.

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    Jason Kanter
    Lynnwood WA
    425-830-1561
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    Attachment(s)

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    Partials-Calculations.xlsx   30 KB 1 version


  • 4.  RE: Frequency Identifying Software

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 05-01-2020 22:23
    Thanks for sharing your spreadsheet, Jason. Very cool. I've got a project I'm working on where this will be very useful. Thanks.

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    Geoff Sykes, RPT
    Los Angeles CA
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  • 5.  RE: Frequency Identifying Software

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 05-01-2020 22:20
    I believe the current version of RCT no longer has the spectrum analyzer in it. Pity. It was really quite useful. On the other hand. Veritune has a very decent spectrum analyzer in it. Unfortunately, both are serious investments. 

    There are three that I have found useful. All free...

    Audio Spectrum Monitor: This one will identify the loudest partial and give you a spread of all the other partials lined up with piano notes
    https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=my.sample 

    Spectroid: Shows all the peaks. Bottom axis is frequency.
    https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.intoorbit.spectrum 

    Advanced Spectrum Analyzer PRO: This one actually labels all the partial peaks, but it's kinda hard to read. 
    https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.vuche.asap 

    I like all three of them because they are actually technical tools rather than just something curious to look at.

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    Geoff Sykes, RPT
    Los Angeles CA
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  • 6.  RE: Frequency Identifying Software

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 05-02-2020 15:15
    Hi Geoff,
    Your information is incorrect. CyberTuner for iOS has an enhanced version of Pianalyzer, similar to the older Pocket PC versions, but more accurate and faster. Pianalyzer displays the frequency, inharmonicity, volume and sustain and other parameters for each of the useful partials on piano notes.

    Best regards,

    -Dean Reyburn, RPT

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    1-888-SOFT-440  or 1-888-763-8440
    Reyburn Piano Service, Inc.
    http://www.cybertuner.com

    Reyburn Pianoworks
    Precision retrofit piano keyboards
    http://www.reyburnpianoworks.com






  • 7.  RE: Frequency Identifying Software

    Posted 05-02-2020 15:32
    Hello folks,

    Sorry I didn't realize Cybertuner had this...the more you know. Thanks Dean, I will start using this feature, however is there a way to pinpoint the 1st partial on A0-A1 inside or outside of Cybertuner?

    Thank you.

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    Cobrun Sells
    cobrun94@yahoo.com
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  • 8.  RE: Frequency Identifying Software

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 05-02-2020 16:00
    Hi Cobrun,
    For all practical purposes there is no fundamental on pianos below about A1. To clarify, the energy in the 1st partial below about A1 is so small that it can't be detected consistently or recorded accurately. The human ear fills in the fundamental at A0, but it's really not there. For those reasons Pianalyzer doesn't show fundamental below A1. 

    On the plus side, the fundamental in the low end of the piano is useless for tuning since there are no coincidental partials for the fundamental. :)  

    Best regards,

    -Dean

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    1-888-SOFT-440  or 1-888-763-8440
    Reyburn Piano Service, Inc.
    http://www.cybertuner.com

    Reyburn Pianoworks
    Precision retrofit piano keyboards
    http://www.reyburnpianoworks.com






  • 9.  RE: Frequency Identifying Software

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 05-02-2020 18:16
    An interesting demonstration usually takes two people. Without playing lift the damper off A-0. With a cloth covered finger press down on the middle of the speaking length and quickly, carefully release so the string is vibrating at its fundamental. Place the edge of a credit card two inches from the agraffe and hear the sound bloom as the partials are added.

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    Larry Messerly, RPT
    Bringing Harmony to Homes
    www.lacrossepianotuning.com
    ljmesserly@gmail.com
    928-899-7292
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  • 10.  RE: Frequency Identifying Software

    Posted 05-02-2020 18:51
    I wouldn't say that the 1st partial on unichords (A0-A1) is completely useless. Even though its energy is low I have for the past several years been tuning the notes within that octave using the 1st partial of the lower note in any given octave against the subtone, undertone, resultant tone, ghost tone, difference tone (or whatever some may call it) of the upper note/lower note of that given octave.
    Example:

    Upper note is X1
    Lower note is X0
    Resultant tone is Xr

    X1=102Hz 1st partial
    X0=50Hz 1st partial

    X1-X0=Xr
    102-50=52

    Xr-X0=audible and tactile beats
    52-50=2bps

    In this instance I'd raise the pitch of X0 to 51Hz to get

    X1-X0=Xr
    102-51=51

    Xr-X0=audible and tactile beats
    51-51=0bps

    I'll do this even if the higher partials fall out of alignment a little.

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    Cobrun Sells
    cobrun94@yahoo.com
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  • 11.  RE: Frequency Identifying Software

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 05-02-2020 16:14
    Thank you for your correction, Dean. I thought I remembered you writing that when the new iOS only version of RCT was released that Pianalyzer was no longer going to be part of RCT. My apologies for the confusion.

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    Geoff Sykes, RPT
    Los Angeles CA
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  • 12.  RE: Frequency Identifying Software

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 05-02-2020 02:05
    Cobrun,

    The current version, along with most older version of Cybertuner will do this well using Pianalyzer. Be aware that there is no measurable fundamental from A0-A1.

    Carl Lieberman

    Sent from my iPad
    CarlPianoTech.com




  • 13.  RE: Frequency Identifying Software

    Posted 05-16-2020 18:03
    You can try FFT Spectrum Analyzer. The 3rd button from right will switch on frequency markers.

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    Luigi Lamacchia
    Bari
    +393484142904
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