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  • 1.  Plugging capstan holes

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 05-01-2020 21:05
    If this question has appeared recently (or not so recently) on this, or any other list, I'd appreciate being directed to the discussion.  Alternatively, re-providing info would also be lovely - 
    The question:  I'm repositioning capstans.  What method do people use to plug holes?  Options seem to range from using wood filler, dowel (grain issues?), to manufacturing plugs.  I would be inclined towards option 3 but it seems that 3/8" is the smallest size tenon cutter available.  Not sure that leaves enough  original key material.  
    Thanks for any thoughts.

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    David Skolnik [RPT]
    Hastings-on-Hudson NY
    917-589-2625
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  • 2.  RE: Plugging capstan holes

    Posted 05-01-2020 21:30
    Dowel glued with polyurethane glue. Polyurethane because it does  not gum up the bit if you drill into the glue in your new holes. 


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    Jim Ialeggio
    grandpianosolutions.com
    Shirley, MA
    978 425-9026
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  • 3.  RE: Plugging capstan holes

    Posted 05-01-2020 21:34
    Based on a recent thread, I filled a series of capstan holes with epoxy thickened with fairing filler, the purpose of the filler being to bring the epoxy closer to the degree of hardness of the surrounding wood.  On drilling after the epoxy hardened, I still found that my drill bit wandered, and I ended up plugging my new holes with dowel, drilling the epoxy out of the original holes, and plugging those with dowel, and finally drilling new holes that worked.

    In other words, Jim is right on!

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    Floyd Gadd
    Regina SK
    306-502-9103
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  • 4.  RE: Plugging capstan holes

    Posted 05-01-2020 23:03
    Barbecue sticks diameter to be less than the hole for easy sliding in, carpenter glue enaugh to have a collar to cover the countersink. Cut with wire cutter little above collar. 15 minutes per piano. Next day send with sending disk.

    Alexander Brusilovsky




  • 5.  RE: Plugging capstan holes

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 05-02-2020 10:51
    I have had no problems on the couple of times i did move capstans, with plugging the holes with upright hammer shanks.  The glue does seem important, because I seem to always end up with a 2-3 mm change, which means that you drill the new holes right in the glue line for your plugged hole.  YMMV

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    Clark Sprague
    Bowling Green OH
    419-352-2198
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  • 6.  RE: Plugging capstan holes

    Posted 05-01-2020 21:34
    Irwin makes a ¼" plug cutter. I have several. I cut the plugs from old keys. If the new hole is sufficiently away from the original, plugging is unnecessary.I also use some keys to make plugs to fill holes left from lead removal. I have a plug cutters and few tenon cutters for deeper plugs cut from the width of the fronts to fill lead holes on wider key sticks.

    You can either break off the plugs with a long thin screw driver blade inserted to the bottom on the cut, or saw them all off on a bandsaw.
    I draw a line on the key to index the grain orientation. Since when the cutter enters the wood, there is a bit of chatter and the end will be slightly narrower.  This line, now on the end of the plug, is oriented inline with the key and placed in the hole first.

    The end grain on dowels will cause the drill bit to wander and the 'grain' will not grip the threads as well as a plug cut correctly.

    I also use PVC-E glue which will not cause the bit to drift as PVA will.

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    Regards,

    Jon Page
    mailto:jonpage@comcast.net
    http://www.pianocapecod.com
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  • 7.  RE: Plugging capstan holes

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 05-02-2020 03:35

    If you aren't drilling into the old hole then just fill the hole with west system epoxy and a low density filler using a syringe injector and sand it flush. The epoxy will give support if you are drilling relatively close to the old hole. 

    If you are drilling into where the old hole is, for example when simply turning a slanted capstan into a vertical one, then the epoxy filler won't work as the bit will wander.  

    The fastest and cleanest method is to buy 3/4" unfinished wood cubes (you can find them easily on line for about $10 per100). Using a 3/4" straight router bit cut a notch across the key that encompasses the old capstan hole that is exactly 3/4" deep.



    Glue in the cubes orienting the grain in the same way as the key and flush to the top of the key. Trim the sides with a bearing flush trim router bit. You'll have to flip the key upside down to do that.

    if the old hole is deeper than 3/4" don't worry about it. 


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    David Love RPT
    www.davidlovepianos.com
    davidlovepianos@comcast.net
    415 407 8320
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  • 8.  RE: Plugging capstan holes

    Posted 05-02-2020 08:20
    The challenge is the wandering bit.  This is one of the many reasons why I bought a Bridgeport, as I can start a hole, not like the placement, and move slightly to a correct location with impunity. But lacking a Bridgeport, use a stub length drill bit, and drill press with very little quill slop. Drill presses all have quill slop, and this causes the bit to wander, so get one with little slop.

    Also, I clamp the key in a machinist vise on the machine's xy table. This really cleaned things up big time, and as I said you can correct a slightly off hole. I need to do this, as sighting a bit, I normally try to hit my mark a couple of times, so I move the key tiny bits, until I'm happy with the centering and side-to-side placement.  You can buy xy tables for drill presses, and I would consider one of these, as they have many uses, beyond capstans.

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    Jim Ialeggio
    grandpianosolutions.com
    Shirley, MA
    978 425-9026
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  • 9.  RE: Plugging capstan holes

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 05-04-2020 08:05
    You need to make plugs.  Drill out the original hole with the size of plug you are going to use.  Use wood glue.  Make sure when installing the plug that you are lining up the grain. 

    You can get a good and cheap plug cutting kit here https://www.woodcraft.com/products/set-of-3-plug-cutters-1-4-3-8-1-2  a Tenon cutter is huge in comparison.  I went through a cut a bunch of plugs to have on hand in all of theses sizes.  

    Make sure to have a nice sharp chisel on hand to cut the top of the plug off flush with the key.  Done right and with same species of wood your plug would be just as good if not better than if it wasn't there at all.  Further more if you can match the grain then other people wouldn't even notice it.  

    Plugging a drilled hole is an elementary wood working repair.  If you haven't done it before then you should practice on scrap wood first.

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    Gregory Cheng
    Warminster PA
    267-994-5742
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