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Wanted: Reyburn Cyberhammer

  • 1.  Wanted: Reyburn Cyberhammer

    Posted 01-29-2020 23:32
    Anyone out there have a Cyberhammer that they are looking to sell?
    Thanks

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    Barbara Stephens
    Mayhill, NM
    575-644-1932
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  • 2.  RE: Wanted: Reyburn Cyberhammer

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 01-30-2020 09:21
    Barbara,

    Do you mean an impact hammer? If so, yes.

    Pwg

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    Peter Grey
    Stratham NH
    603-686-2395
    pianodoctor57@gmail.com
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  • 3.  RE: Wanted: Reyburn Cyberhammer

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 01-30-2020 12:31
    The CyberHammer is the Reyburn's upgraded version of the impact hammer. Believe me, there's a huge difference between a CyberHammer and a generic impact hammer from Schaff.

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    Benjamin Sanchez, RPT
    Piano Technician / Artisan
    (805) 315-8050
    www.professional-piano-services.com
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  • 4.  RE: Wanted: Reyburn Cyberhammer

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 01-30-2020 13:06
    I have one, but I don't use it. Gave it a fair try but I like my Fujan better. I did very much like the Rigid Cyber hammer that I tried, but decided enough was enough.  

    It's on perfect condition.

    Pwg

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    Peter Grey
    Stratham NH
    603-686-2395
    pianodoctor57@gmail.com
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  • 5.  RE: Wanted: Reyburn Cyberhammer

    Posted 01-30-2020 20:57
    Thank you to all that responded on and off the list.  I was able to purchase one. 
    As a side note, who would I contact about possibly setting up a new community within my.ptg dedicated to the sell and trade of piano related tools and equipment?  I inherited tools from my mentor when he passed away that aren't benefiting anyone sitting in storage.  I know that it would make him very happy to know that his tools would be able to find a new home where they would be used and cherished.
    Thanks
    Barbara

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    Barbara Stephens
    Mayhill NM
    575-644-1932
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  • 6.  RE: Wanted: Reyburn Cyberhammer

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 01-30-2020 21:23
    Tools and parts buy, sell trade is already a community

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    Larry Messerly, RPT
    Bringing Harmony to Homes
    www.lacrossepianotuning.com
    ljmesserly@gmail.com
    928-899-7292
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  • 7.  RE: Wanted: Reyburn Cyberhammer

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 02-04-2020 20:17
    Where is this buy, sell trade community??
    ......................................................................found it....

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    Michael Musial
    Vacaville CA
    707-448-4298
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  • 8.  RE: Wanted: Reyburn Cyberhammer

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 02-04-2020 20:54
    See if this link works
    https://my.ptg.org/communities/community-home?CommunityKey=f4a25fd8-5a52-46ac-abe0-a7a33321eaf0

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    Larry Messerly, RPT
    Bringing Harmony to Homes
    www.lacrossepianotuning.com
    ljmesserly@gmail.com
    928-899-7292
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  • 9.  RE: Wanted: Reyburn Cyberhammer

    Member
    Posted 01-30-2020 21:23
    There already is a community to buy, sell, swap tools. You could also look at donating the tools to the program that PTG has to get tools to technicians who have lost theirs due to disasters like flooding, fire, hurricanes, tornados etc. Contact the Home Office to find out how the program works.

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    James Kelly
    Owner- Fur Elise Piano Service
    Pawleys Island SC
    843-325-4357
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  • 10.  RE: Wanted: Reyburn Cyberhammer

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 02-02-2020 10:48
    …to quote Benjamin Sanchez:
    "Believe me, there's a huge difference between a CyberHammer and a generic impact hammer from Schaff."

    When the original impact hammer (Schaff #3170) came out, I liked the idea and bought one. The idea included the fact that a hand grip on it directly at the socket was all that it needed to develop angular momentum and deliver it in a simple knock to the tuning pin. That was always my grip. One could easily buy the #66 impact hammer, saw it off at the slide weights closest setting, and done their impact tuning with nothing more than slight flicks of the wrist.

    However we all know that impact tuning (with no further grip by the hand on the lever once the impact is on its way) is only one of three ways of connecting with the pin. The other two are the normal turning with the hand applying steady (not momentary) force, and "leaning" the pin. It would be decades later that I would first explore this latter. But on an average tuning, I would toggle back and forth between impact and turning. However, because the original impact hammer insisted on preceding any turning by the impact mechanism's "free" swing AND that the grip moved from the bottom of the handle to the top, this hammer would not allow the easy toggle between these two. I quit using using it, doing my impact with a larger tip (which would provide the "slop" necessary for impacting, yet allow my grip to always be up the handle).

    But in the Rayburn design of the tool, they missed the fact that a making a lever just as adept at turning the  pin as knocking it is IMHO a fool's errand. For an impact lever's inabililty to be good for both techniques, I don't think the price range ($550 to 1K) is worth it. Yes, impact tuning is one way to get what you want from a very tight tuning pin in a very dense block, but for tiny tweaks on the pin, leaning works just as well. And I do appreciate the obstacle that tight tuning pins present to the less muscular among us for whom turning these pins is out of the question.

    IMHAO.


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    William Ballard RPT
    WBPS
    Saxtons River VT
    802-869-9107

    "Our lives contain a thousand springs
    and dies if one be gone
    Strange that a harp of a thousand strings
    should keep in tune so long."
    ...........Dr. Watts, "The Continental Harmony,1774
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  • 11.  RE: Wanted: Reyburn Cyberhammer

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 02-03-2020 21:46

    Hi Bill,
    I've been using an impact hammer on vertical pianos exclusively for over 30 years as I was injured in a car accident in 1989 and couldn't pull a regular lever.  The impact tuning method with a correctly designed hammer is completely different than a standard tuning hammer. True impact lever tuning does not use any upper body or shoulder at all, it's done by forearm action.

    With my shoulder injury I was incapable of tuning with a standard lever for several months, but the impact lever (then by Francis Mahaeffey) saved my bacon. I would not have been able to bump or push a regular rigid hammer for about 6 months after my injury.

    My son Nate who produces these hammers, and myself realize that impact tuning is not for everyone. It's a different skill than using a rigid hammer. But an impact hammer doesn't need any other techniques, it doesn't need bump and lean. It's complete as it is and a completely self-contained technique. I can set the string and pin perfectly and quickly with my impact hammer, just as well as my regular rigid hammer. The big difference is that the impact lever is not injuring my shoulder, back and upper body.

    You don't need to "lean" on the pin with an impact hammer because it doesn't twist or bend the pin to the degree that a regular rigid hammer does. There's almost no pin twisting or bending with true impact tuning. And since I've mastered both impact and rigid tuning techniques, I find I have no problem doing "micro" adjustments to the tuning pin and pitch with an impact hammer. I can do the same micro adjustments as with a regular rigid hammer.

    When you "impact" your rigid tuning hammer with your hand and arm, you're doing micro injuries  to your body every time you do it. Eventually many, maybe even most tuners if they have a long career, develop some type of repetitive injury syndrome. Yes, what you're doing works, but true impact tuning with a well  designed impact hammer lets the hammer itself take the beating, not your body.

    And full disclosure, I make nothing from the sale of my son Nate's vertical hammers.  I help him out with testing and design on occasion, and am an avid user.

    Also IMHO,

    Best regards,



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    Dean Reyburn, RPT
    Reyburn Pianoworks
    Reyburn CyberTuner
    1-616-498-9854
    dean@reyburn.com
    www.reyburnpianoworks.com
    www.cybertuner.com 
    Facebook: www.facebook.com/dean.reyburn
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  • 12.  RE: Wanted: Reyburn Cyberhammer

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 02-07-2020 08:39

    Thanks, Dean and Nate, for the details. I needed to hear such a thorough explanation to put my own experience in the context of those who stuck with the technique. I'm also glad to hear, Dean, that this was what allowed you to continue tuning.

    When I got mine, it was back in the day when Falconwood pinblocks (and Baldwin's Amberlite) were new on the market, recommended by our fore-fathers Cliff Geers and Willis Snyder. Even when drilled within 10 mills of the 2/0's diameter, torques between 125-150 in/#s were routine. There, Mahaffey's hammer was just the ticket. It did fall short for tuning on the lower end of the torque range. My technique was based on noticing how much pitch change there was before the torsion part of moving the pin gave way to turning (ie. when torsion overcame the block's grip on the very deep end of the pin). On a pin with pinblock grip that low, this switch between twisting and turning was near instantaneous. For my impact hammer to work there, I needed much smaller impacts than I could do (or at least a way of temporarily locking the mechanism).  

    Dean said…
    "When you "impact" your rigid tuning hammer with your hand and arm, you're doing micro injuries to your body every time you do it. Eventually many, maybe even most tuners if they have a long career, develop some type of repetitive injury syndrome. Yes, what you're doing works, but true impact tuning with a well designed impact hammer lets the hammer itself take the beating, not your body."

    This is a warning applicable to everyone, even me. What I eventually settled, decades ago, on was a sort of "connected impact", a series of tugs and bumps all of which is born by the wrist and thumb-to-palm web. At age 72, I start to wonder how longer I can take my hands for granted.

    BTW, Dean and Nate, I always dreamt of an impact hammer the size of a standard T-hammer. It looked as though your grand CyberHammer simply adds a second handle from the vertical one, then setting these ahndles to 15º off horizontal. Did you ever try a more compact version (ie., T-hammer style)? Did you find that such short arms didn't develop the angular momentum required by tight tuning pins? Or did you just continue the vertical's handle on the grand hammer's design?



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    William Ballard RPT
    WBPS
    Saxtons River VT
    802-869-9107

    "Our lives contain a thousand springs
    and dies if one be gone
    Strange that a harp of a thousand strings
    should keep in tune so long."
    ...........Dr. Watts, "The Continental Harmony,1774
    +++++++++++++++++++++
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  • 13.  RE: Wanted: Reyburn Cyberhammer

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 02-07-2020 10:17
    Hi Bill,

    The two balanced arms on the Grand CyberHammer design are a fair bit shorter than the regular CyberHammer's single arm, which duplicates the angular momentum of the original design. We have them at a 15° angle so we can get closer to the pin block. It's the best optimization for control and mass.

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    http://www.facebook.com/ReyburnPianoTech
    http://www.reyburntools.com
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  • 14.  RE: Wanted: Reyburn Cyberhammer

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 02-03-2020 22:56
    I really like the comment: "impact tuning (with no further grip by the hand on the lever once the impact is on its way)". That's a GREAT way to state it. Read that a couple times and visualize if you're working to master an impact technique.

    Unfortunately there's also a couple misconceptions.

    I actually agree with the some of the function of this statement (if not the spirit): "But in the Rayburn design of the tool, they missed the fact that a making a lever just as adept at turning the  pin as knocking it is IMHO a fool's errand."

    I've never claimed the CyberHammer is designed for twisting/turning. Claiming otherwise would be foolish. It's an IMPACT HAMMER. Very fine pitch changes are done with fine taps, not a twisting motion. The same result is achievable with a different approach.

    Flagpoling/leaning, however, it CAN do. The wood handle is designed with a bulge specifically for that. I don't promote that as a go-to technique, but sometimes a pin just needs to be pushed a bit.

    I should also note that prices are on our website for anyone to see. The $550-$1K range barely overlaps reality. The only things in that range are either Rosewood/Custom, or special orders such as the Grand CyberHammer. 200 Series CyberHammers (which are SOOOOO much better than what I started out with) are not even in the same price ballpark. It's more than a tool for us. I've seen people tuning when they otherwise couldn't. It's important for there to be a working impact hammer that's affordable. 

    All the above said, I can't understand people who make tools they don't use routinely. I mostly tune vertical pianos, and they're all done with an impact hammer. My tunings are quick, precise, and stable. Results speak for themselves.

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    http://www.facebook.com/ReyburnPianoTech
    http://www.reyburntools.com
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  • 15.  RE: Wanted: Reyburn Cyberhammer

    Posted 02-04-2020 07:55
    I am a long-time user as well. This is a completely awesome lever. Not only is it possible to get quick and stable tunings, it is pretty easy once you get used to the technique. I use it on every vertical and love it. 

    John Formsma, RPT
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    John Formsma, RPT
    New Albany, MS





  • 16.  RE: Wanted: Reyburn Cyberhammer

    Posted 02-15-2021 21:05
    I realize this is an old thread. But i'm interested in a cyberhammer if anyone has one to sell.

    Thanks!
    Kristi Giles
    kristihen@gmail.com

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    Kristina Giles
    New York NY
    347-947-6156
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