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  • 1.  Steinway damper underlever return springs

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 02-07-2019 15:38
    Eminent listers!
    I'm re-stringing etc. a Steinway B from the late 70's. It has return springs on the bass underlevers, most of which have broken off. I called Steinway, and they don't have them/stock them/deal with them. ?? If I decide to replace these springs, does anyone out there know of a supplier who might carry them? Or, what do you do with this issue? Much thanks.

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    [Stephen] [Kabat]
    [Cleveland State University]
    [Cleveland ] [Ohio]
    [216/687-5037]
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  • 2.  RE: Steinway damper underlever return springs

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 02-07-2019 15:43
    Hi Stephen,
    I have some used springs I can send you if that's helpful. Let me know...

    All the best,
    Jon






  • 3.  RE: Steinway damper underlever return springs

    Posted 02-07-2019 19:25
    Make your own with phosphor-bronze wire from Instrument Workshop.  I have three sizes: .032", .028', .022"

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    Regards,

    Jon Page
    mailto:jonpage@pianocapecod.com
    http://www.pianocapecod.com
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  • 4.  RE: Steinway damper underlever return springs

    Posted 02-08-2019 18:34
    I have started removing the springs as a standard procedure whenever the underlevers are out of the piano. Steinway has not used underlever springs in their new pianos in quite some time now, and it does make a difference in the feel of the piano. For the better, IMHO. This is in line with my aim to have the pianos I service come as close to current production pianos as possible. I do, more often than not, get permission from the owner.

    I seem to recall Del Fandrich contending that springs do little to speed damping. Mass is much more effective. (Please correct me here, Del, if I am in error.) Carefully regulated, with good felt (yes, the Steinway felt is very good-their engineers looked very carefully at it in the not-too-distant past), the dampers work very well without springs. And the touch is noticeably lighter and smoother.

    Note that in very old systems, the underlevers are narrow, and therefore have less mass. Adding a little may be a good idea, and is actually not that hard. Buy leads or get some lead wire (fishing suppliers). Forstner bit and a squeeze or small hammer blow.

    A recent M system (same for S, M, L, and O) has 28 underlevers with 3 leads (about 12 grams), 17 with 2 leads (10 g), 17 with 1 lead (8 g), and 5 with none (5 g). The weight measurements are approximate. I invite someone out there with better measuring tools to take more data. I measured with the tray in its rest position and then seeing what it takes to lift the underlever at the very end. FYI...

    Oh, so I have several sets in small plastic bags if you want some.

    Doug


    Doug Wood, RPT
    206-935-5797






  • 5.  RE: Steinway damper underlever return springs

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 02-09-2019 08:16
    I too dislike underlever springs. They increase key resistance toward and through escapement, and add sponginess to the feel of the key. They can become noisy and develop friction issues.

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    Mario Igrec, RPT
    http://www.pianosinsideout.com
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  • 6.  RE: Steinway damper underlever return springs

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 02-09-2019 09:29

    HI-

    I have reconditioned some older Steinway backactions with new Renner springs, and drilled holes through the horizontal flanges to add screws.  Lloyd Meyer has the springs and they work nicely.  The next time I'm in a situation like that where replacement isn't an option I may try Del's method of adding lead to the heads.  We have one of his pianos with that modification and it works great. 

    best,
    dennis. 
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    Dennis Johnson, R.P.T.
    Piano Technician
    Music Dept.
    St. Olaf College