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  • 1.  Key cleaning and disinfectants

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-03-2020 12:30
    Am interested in what, if any, additional precautions you are taking in the current health environment.  

    Our staff is being more diligent than ever with cleaning such things as push panels, crash bars and door knobs.  

    I am also thinking about keys and other commonly handled parts of the pianos such as the music desk.  

    Any thoughts on the matter?

    Mike

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    Michael Reiter
    Eugene OR
    541-515-6499
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  • 2.  RE: Key cleaning and disinfectants

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-04-2020 05:35
    We've been using a mix of 40% fantastik, 40% water, and 20% alcohol (91% isopropyl) on plastic/ebony keys. We use this for poly and lacquer finished too.

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    Mario Igrec, RPT, MM
    Chief Piano Technician, The Juilliard School
    http://www.pianosinsideout.com
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  • 3.  RE: Key cleaning and disinfectants

    Posted 03-04-2020 17:03
    Hi Mike!

    I got this same question from a client with a home piano. He's got little germ factories (aka kids) running around. I replied that the first thing to do was to have everybody wash hands thoroughly before touching the piano--a good idea under all circumstances. Then I suggested a modest cleaning regimen, using a cotton rag dipped in water with a drop or two of dish detergent, wring it out nearly dry, be careful with water near the piano, etc. However, a university environment is lots more challenging, with zero control over the hygiene of the pianists and other musicians who might touch the piano.

    I consulted the CDC website (entered corona virus, FAQ in my search engine) and I recommend everyone concerned about this do the same. The virus probably can live for a short time on surfaces, but not, for example, on a package shipped from overseas. The main transmission is still airborne, although a lot is still unknown. People with coughs, sniffles, or sneezes need to be wearing an N95 mask (if you can still find them--try a marine supply store--a closely guarded secret that I'm releasing into the world) but wearing a mask if you're well won't offer much protection from inhaling airborne viruses.

    Of course you can step up your cleaning routines, but perhaps it's time to consult the administration about installing alcohol gel or disinfectant wipe dispensers at strategic locations and mounting a campaign to get people to wash hands, disinfect with alcohol wipes, and wear a mask if they're possibly contagious. Hospitals provide disinfectant stations and free masks on a routine basis.

    I think some of this is a bit overblown. The corona virus does seem, unfortunately, to be quite contagious, but it's still not as lethal as other viruses that we encounter every season, like the flu. (Other corona viruses like SARS and MERS scared the bejeebers out of public health professionals.) I don't mean to downplay the serious effect it is having on our collective psyches, and of course getting a flu-like illness is no fun at all. It's also putting a damper on public gatherings, which is totally disruptive to concerts and other events (like classes) a music department needs to hold.

    I wish good health to all!

    Margie Williams
    pnotuner@pacbell.net

    "We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have done so much for so long, with so little, we are now qualified to do anything with nothing." (Unknown)




  • 4.  RE: Key cleaning and disinfectants

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-04-2020 20:08
    Hiya Margie! Long time, no see! 

    Just had to reply re: lethality. I think Covid19 is way more lethal than ordinary flus. OFs kill about .1%, Covid19 kills 2-3%, so at least 20x more, or so I understand. 

    Mark Schecter
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  • 5.  RE: Key cleaning and disinfectants

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-04-2020 21:06
    Hi Margie, 
    The problem with this particular virus is that it is extremely virulent and it is more deadly. The latest estimate is about 3%. It also is not being tested or diagnosed the way we normally do with other flu viruses and so many asymptomatic people have been walking around as carriers without knowing it for a while. 
    Here, in  Washington state it is freaky how fast it is spreading. I'd rather that people be over cautious about it rather than careless. Better safe than sorry. 
    ~ jeannie 

    Jeannie Grassi, Registered Piano Technician
    Bainbridge Island, WA
    206-842-3721





  • 6.  RE: Key cleaning and disinfectants

    Posted 03-04-2020 23:06
    I did some more reading and found that there are two things to keep in mind for deaths from flu vs. the newest corona virus. To make a long story short, more people die from flu every year than will probably die from the corona virus--at least so far. The actual death rate is higher from corona virus, but flu, overall, has caused more deaths than corona is likely to. People shouldn't lose sight of that. These stats and rates of death, when broken down by age group, also vary significantly, with the death rates climbing precipitately for people over age 60 for the usual flu strains and corona virus. (Notably, the 1918 flu pandemic caused unusually high death rates among adults in the prime of life instead of the frail and elderly.)

    Also, the CDC and other entities that keep track of these stats also give a huge range of how many people contract influenza and how many people die every year. They just don't know for sure how many people are ill enough to go to the doctor and get counted, and the cause of death is not always known or attributed correctly. So these stats are a bit squishy.

    At any rate, I think that this problem is way more than a university tech can solve on his or her own. There's no way to keep up with trying to disinfect surfaces. If this is a concern in the college workplace, it's time to get a global solution going, meaning get the administration involved. They're the ones who can put out the word to remind people to wash hands often, to not touch the eyes or nose, and wear an N-95 mask if you're coughing and sneezing. As I said already, they can also make disinfectant agents available, and masks if they want to go that far.

    Margie Williams
    pnotuner@pacbell.net

    "We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have done so much for so long, with so little, we are now qualified to do anything with nothing." (Unknown)




  • 7.  RE: Key cleaning and disinfectants

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-05-2020 05:53
    At my university we had workers spraying/wiping everything down in quasi hazmat suits when there was a bad norovirus
    outbreak a few years back. I wouldn’t be surprised if they reappeared.

    Rob

    Robert Edwardsen
    Registered Piano Technician
    PO Box 334
    Pittsford NY 14534
    585-586-1360
    edwardsenpianoservice.com
    eedward2@rochester.rr.com




  • 8.  RE: Key cleaning and disinfectants

    Posted 03-05-2020 12:33

    This is a very interesting discussion! I don't know about the rest of you working in the university/college institutional environment, but in relation to this topic, one thing I think I can safely say: 

     important, necessary, and once "taken for granted" routine facility cleaning services and maintenance staff have been cut to the bone.  A new administrator coming in is not going to be heralded and get accolades for "increasing the janitorial budget 15%" but will rather, and perhaps rightly so, focus budget efforts on a plethora of worthy issue-needs, "competing priorities."  Cleaning and maintenance expenses, services and staff, are a easy place to cut when budget needs are forever straining over limits. 


    We really don't have time to do "extra"
    cleaning in our piano maintenance jobs.  But perhaps when it comes to "our" pianos we take care of, really, they are in our hands to care for, clean, etc., and no one else's.  I'd honestly rather have it that way.  


    Our piano cleaning, historically, is mostly for cosmetic purposes-cleaning fingerprints, dust, body smudges off of keyboards, fallboards, music desks, lids, etc.  Also, vacuuming and cleaning off dust, foreign objects on soundboards, plates, and in the pinblock/tuning pin area.  Wiping down the exterior piano cabinets, pedal lyres, etc.  Small, often turned, and rinsed out,  wrung-out-till- barely-damp microfiber "detail" towels are ideal for this.  I rarely use anything but clean water unless cleaning a piano which has been neglected for decades.

    But perhaps rather than just focus on "cosmetic"
    cleaning, we could consider possible integrating hygienic and disinfecting functions "while we're at it".  Using non damaging wipes (Should we find some that will work that way) to clean off the keys, fallboards, lids and surrounds where people frequently touch.  I wouldn't even mind hitting the practice room or faculty studio room door knob/lever on the way in and out, maybe even give a push plate on the door a wipe,
    or at least where people push on the door on their way out, before throwing the disinfecting wipe away.  I'm no germaphobe but good gosh, I'm used to using the paper towel I just used to dry my hands, to push open the door handle or bathroom door on my way out.  Not everybody washes their hands after using the restroom...

    Maybe we can integrate a small part of improving environmental hygiene and sanitation sense into the movements we already make. 



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    Sean McLaughlin
    Lead Piano Technician
    UCLA Herb Alpert School of Music
    Los Angeles CA
    661-714-4188
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  • 9.  RE: Key cleaning and disinfectants

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-05-2020 09:52
    Is it still true for modern plastic naturals that regular use of alcohol for cleaning can cause them to discolor or crack?

    —Cy—




  • 10.  RE: Key cleaning and disinfectants

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-05-2020 14:11
    The following tweet from one of the virologists at Columbia University eases my concern. I still don't want to catch it though.

    Vincent Racaniello
    @profvrr
    #COVIDー19 COVID-19 case fatality ratios from China by age. Note CFR <1% until > age 50. So 2.3% overall rate cited widely does not apply to all. Total number of cases likely as much as 10x underestimated, placing CFR in range of seasonal influenza. From China CCD Weekly


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    Wesley Owen
    Evanston IL
    847-257-5554
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