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NY Times: Why do Pianists Know So Little About the Piano?

  • 1.  NY Times: Why do Pianists Know So Little About the Piano?

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 11-12-2020 15:23
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/12/arts/music/piano-tuning.html

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    Fred Sturm
    University of New Mexico
    fssturm@unm.edu
    http://fredsturm.net
    http://www.artoftuning.com
    "We either make ourselves happy or miserable. The amount of work is the same." - Carlos Casteneda
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  • 2.  RE: NY Times: Why do Pianists Know So Little About the Piano?

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 11-12-2020 21:40

    Thanks for this, Fred!  Nice article.

     

    But the author didn't really answer his question!

     

    Don Mannino

    Sent from Mail for Windows 10

     






  • 3.  RE: NY Times: Why do Pianists Know So Little About the Piano?

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 11-13-2020 16:55
    I think it remains a mystery. But I guess it's why we all have jobs so I'm not too anxious to find out.

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    David Love RPT
    www.davidlovepianos.com
    davidlovepianos@comcast.net
    415 407 8320
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  • 4.  RE: NY Times: Why do Pianists Know So Little About the Piano?

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 11-13-2020 19:16
    A bit of nice, well earned, publicity for Joel Bernache but Tommasini's own technician gets no love at all. Unseen artist indeed. Harrumph.

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    Karl Roeder
    Pompano Beach FL
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  • 5.  RE: NY Times: Why do Pianists Know So Little About the Piano?

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 11-13-2020 19:28
    It does help when conservatories and universities have at least some kind of instruction about the insides of the piano available, and some do. 

    I had next to no luck pushing that with my university. Someone who taught non-majors had me do a class session every semester for a good while, but while I did a program for the top piano prof's pedagogy class (which resulted in all his students presenting very intelligent requests), he didn't ask me back. 

    I did presentations to Music Appreciation classes each semester for years, mostly talking about and playing music, but included a 5-10 minute segment where I puledl the action and talked about a few things. Of course none of them were music majors, and only a few pianists among them.

    Some pianists are interested, some aren't. I remember about 25 years ago one of the piano profs came into her studio while I had the keyframe and action out, and said she had never seen that. Amazing!
    Regards,
    Fred Sturm
    "I am only interested in music that is better than it can be played." Schnabel






  • 6.  RE: NY Times: Why do Pianists Know So Little About the Piano?

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 11-13-2020 19:37
    The other side to that is that many of us who came to piano technology as serious young pianists, no longer play much.  I know there are some exceptions and I envy your tenacity, but generally that is the case. Ultimately, I think it speaks volumes for the piano.  If you want to excel at anything, then you must be prepared to do it full-time. That is the world we live in. Organists don't fix or tune their own organs either. 

    cheers,
    Dennis. 

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    Dennis Johnson
    Piano Technician / Music
    Office: 507-786-3587Mobile: 612-599-6437 
    1520 St. Olaf Avenue Northfield, MN 55057






  • 7.  RE: NY Times: Why do Pianists Know So Little About the Piano?

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 11-13-2020 19:41
    I wouldn't say that pianists should have any skill in working on their instruments, but they should have an appreciation for how it functions, and fo how to assess condition and communicate needs. This sort of thing can be taught fairly easily and effectively. Here is the outline I used when I had three hours with a group of piano majors. I posted it regularly by my door as well. 





  • 8.  RE: NY Times: Why do Pianists Know So Little About the Piano?

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 11-14-2020 12:30
    Many years ago, back in Cambridge, MA (Boston area) I did a lot of work at the Longy School of Music - often on their Steinway D in their Pickman Concert Hall (a public venue). One time I got an emergency call for a (then) local young up-and-coming concert pianist named Fred Moyer, who gave me a full dignosis of the problem, and the remedy - with the sostenuto pedal on, on a hard blow the sostenuto tab of some notes that weren't being played at the time was being driven past the sostenuto knife. He described the regulation needed, (how to move the sostenuto rail) and said that he could do it himself, but since he was preparing for a performance in a couple hours, he didn't want to break his concentration on the music... It took me 2 tries to adjust the sostenuto to his satisfaction - I coudn't duplicate the sort of force he could put into a blow when I tested my results... So, there are exceptions...

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    Israel Stein RPT
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  • 9.  RE: NY Times: Why do Pianists Know So Little About the Piano?

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 11-14-2020 16:24
    They should be able to extract a pencil and clean up a unison, at least.

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    David Love RPT
    www.davidlovepianos.com
    davidlovepianos@comcast.net
    415 407 8320
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  • 10.  RE: NY Times: Why do Pianists Know So Little About the Piano?

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 11-14-2020 21:59
    It takes very little effort to teach a pianist how to tell if drop and let off are in a good ballpark, as well as damper lift from the key, by feeling the bumps as the key is depressed, and watching where the hammer is when they occur. Also to tell if the bushings are reasonably good (firm, lubricated) and to observe the play of the una corda (where does it place the string grooves relative to the strings. 

    Just this small bit of assessment ability allows a pianist to know when service is needed, and to judge fairly well whether the technician at hand has enough skill. 

    Regards,
    Fred Sturm
    University of New Mexico






  • 11.  RE: NY Times: Why do Pianists Know So Little About the Piano?

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 11-15-2020 16:20
    When I used to teach a short Intro to Piano Technology class, the final exam included removing a pencil and tuning a unison.  While everyone else watched.  But it was a Yamaha so the fallboard removal was not so bad.

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    Zeno Wood
    Brooklyn, NY
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  • 12.  RE: NY Times: Why do Pianists Know So Little About the Piano?

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 11-15-2020 16:25
    There are several YouTube apps demonstrating this on both the end block mounted fallboard and inner rim mounted fallboard. I once talked a piano teacher through this procedure, saving myself a 50 miles drive.

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    Charles Ball
    Austin TX
    512-923-2311
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  • 13.  RE: NY Times: Why do Pianists Know So Little About the Piano?

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 11-14-2020 16:22
    A friend of mine who went to Julliard (awhile ago) told me that the pianists had a game of who could pass the required "piano technology" course without actually going to class.

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    David Love RPT
    www.davidlovepianos.com
    davidlovepianos@comcast.net
    415 407 8320
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  • 14.  RE: NY Times: Why do Pianists Know So Little About the Piano?

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 11-14-2020 15:53
    Hi Fred, Thanks for posting this article. I have to agree with Don, he doesn't really seriously address his own question, but I think that the growing complexity of the instrument in the early 19th century is a major factor, and one which lead to the role of the professional piano technician. I am not sure that it is helpful for pianists to learn to hear the instrument the way that we do, and those with busy careers would probably be challenged to find the time to cultivate significant skills.

    To me a more puzzling question is why are pianists oft so incurious about their instrument in terms of its history and evolution, its manufacture, its nomenclature, its mechanical functioning, and its tonal systems. In over 50 years of working in music schools, I can attest that it was rare that students would approach me with genuine curiosity about the instrument, and some of those were primarily composers and not pianists. Back in the 1980's, when university techs were more proactive in creating piano tech introduction and training programs, I noted more interest. BTW, undergrad students rarely have the luxury of taking non-required courses just for their own edification.

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    Charles Ball
    Austin TX
    512-923-2311
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  • 15.  RE: NY Times: Why do Pianists Know So Little About the Piano?

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 11-15-2020 12:51

    Having been at several music schools as a student, I propose that the stress of being a piano student itself, and the difficulty of the repertoire and demands of all the other coursework leave the student with little bandwidth for other interests. Very few of my accompanists were even able to keep up with the music they were supposed to learn, especially if it was difficult music like Brahms or Franck or Beethoven.

    Here's another thought that occurred to me from a new customer phone call just recently: sometimes a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing. This customer says the dampers aren't working, and I suspect it's because he took the action out, thinking it would lighten the piano that he moved himself. I can imagine the mangled dampers I'll find... there's a small step from knowing to attempting to do something. On my last car, I tried to save some money by replacing my own headlight bulb. Big mistake-
    on this design, I had to remove the inner wheel well cover and reach way in to get the bulb by feel in a preposterous location. During this attempt at laparoscopic surgery, some dumb plastic mount broke, and while I eventually got the bulb in, the headlight was now cockeyed. Replacing the whole housing was too expensive so I left it and learned my lesson-let the pros do it.

    I do try to educate my piano customers, but I know that, like most of my violin students over the years, much of it will go in one ear and out the other.

    I had an interesting experience with a young man who was an accomplished pianist. His small grand piano badly needed work, and I tried to show him that on many notes there was no aftertouch left. I tried to get him to feel the difference between keys with and keys with no aftertouch, but I don't think he was ever able to feel the difference.



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    Scott Cole, RPT
    rvpianotuner.com
    Talent, OR
    (541-601-9033
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  • 16.  RE: NY Times: Why do Pianists Know So Little About the Piano?

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 11-16-2020 16:35

    This topic came up at a chapter meeting last year. An observation was mentioned that stuck with me: Most people view their piano as a big piece of musical furniture. Additionally, the general piano-playing public plays maybe two or three pianos throughout their lifetime. Most pianists assume that this is the way the piano has always been and always will be.


    Most don't know their piano could be different. In my mind this explains a lot. Why would you bother learning anything more than surface knowledge if you don't think it would benefit you somehow?

    Just my thoughts.



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    Benjamin Sanchez, RPT
    Piano Technician / Artisan
    (805) 315-8050
    www.professional-piano-services.com
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  • 17.  RE: NY Times: Why do Pianists Know So Little About the Piano?

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 11-16-2020 20:04
    On an idealistic note, the better prepped the pianos are in the music department, the more discerning and demanding the music students will be in their future careers. It is our responsibility to train them to demand the best, at least in terms of prep. 

    On the other side of that coin, it is impossible to develop truly refined chops on a chaotic instrument, as was my case as a piano student. You simply can't develop a nuanced technique if you can't predict what the piano (or any given note of the piano) is going to do, if every note feels and behaves slightly differently, in regulation, tonal gradient, etc. 






  • 18.  RE: NY Times: Why do Pianists Know So Little About the Piano?

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 11-17-2020 00:09
    Every spring semester at the University of Nebraska I taught a piano tech class for any interested students. It wasn't unusual for non-music majors to outnumber piano and music majors. I wanted to make the class fun, but I also wanted to frustrate students who might think that working on pianos might be an easy, part-time thing to do to maybe help pay the bills. We did some history, tuning, regulating, taking apart pianos, piano construction and part names/functions. They had to write a paper on evaluating a piano including the regulation, or lack thereof. I suggested that the older the piano, the better. Most tore into their own home piano. It was educational for them and for me. They were usually much more forgiving than I. And, surprisingly, I don't remember them wreaking havoc on their project pianos. About all they had to do was remove a couple of case parts and report on what they found in there. I warned them about potential problems they might encounter including mouse droppings.

    I think most students walked away from the class feeling like they'd better hire the professional, and that's what I wanted them to think. I also learned that after a few years, they'd forgotten most everything, except, they still had an appreciation for the difficulty of the work and they got the message that they should leave things up to the professional. They learned the importance of regular maintenance, humidity control, keeping stuff off the piano, and some basic vocabulary. They learned the difference between "Tooners" and technicians at least in theory.

    I came to believe that they were in the same position as I was/am with computers. I didn't want to know how to fix them; I just want them to work. And that's what pianists want, too. 

    Richard West





  • 19.  RE: NY Times: Why do Pianists Know So Little About the Piano?

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 11-18-2020 11:56
    Wonderful post Richard! And what a testament to your seemingly "tireless" efforts over the decades. You are quite an inspiration.

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    Kevin Fortenberry
    Registered Piano Technician
    Temple, Texas
    806-778-3962
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  • 20.  RE: NY Times: Why do Pianists Know So Little About the Piano?

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 11-18-2020 13:21

    I took over that class at UNL after Richard Wests' long  30 year term there.  I did about the same thing, although I didn't make them right a paper. It was a 2 credit class and we went over the functions of the piano and how it works, nomenclature, etc.  I gave 3 quizzes over the term and a take home open book final which was harder than it might appear.  They had to draw an accurate side version of a grand and upright action model with parts names.  I had them learn to at least learn to set an A-440 pitch and learn unisons; also some basic repairs. Man, today's college students can not write or letter nicely! Very disconcerting with the computer age. I have a sign up sheet outside my office for students to inform me of issues with the practice rooms, etc. I can hardly read most of them!

     

    It was very time consuming and as the school of music got busier and busier, we discontinued the class as I only had 4-5 students each semester. I recognize the difficulty of writing exams as I did multiple choice questions. It's very hard to come up with 3 wrong guesses!

     

    With an assistant here at Uof SC, I might re-start this class. The students really need to at least be able to talk about their instruments to tell me what's wrong.  Just "stuck key" doesn't help before going to the basement to see what it is.

     

    Perhaps an all piano student required "convo" for a couple hours might help? At least they can learn to tell me what's up intelligently and in the future? Also hand-writing!

     

    Paul