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  • 1.  Bioesque Disinfectant

    Posted 05-01-2020 13:57
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    Hello CAUTs,
    Has anyone had any experience with Bioesque Disinfectant or any other single use "fogger" type cleaner being used around instruments? The Colburn School (Los Angeles) is planning for the eventual reopening of its campus, and is considering strategies for disinfecting studios and public spaces. 

    The attached information document does not list wood as a safe material to use this product on, so its likely that the piano or any other instrument in the room should be protected with plastic sheeting. I'm curious if any other CAUT technicians are starting to have these kinds of discussions with administration. 

    Thanks and hope everyone is staying healthy and reasonably busy!

    Best,
    Neema

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    Neema Pazargad
    Glendale CA
    818-974-5047
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  • 2.  RE: Bioesque Disinfectant

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 05-01-2020 16:45
    Mr. Pazargad,

    The active ingredient seems to be Thymol. If you add a bit of menthol and some eucalyptol to it with some everclear you'll have Listerine. The literature seems to indicate that surfaces will need to be wet longer that you would want an instrument to be. The company headquarters is here in S. Florida. Not that a location in Boca Raton is necessarily an indication of snake oil being sold. Due diligence should be exercised.

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    Karl Roeder
    Pompano Beach FL
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  • 3.  RE: Bioesque Disinfectant

    Member
    Posted 05-02-2020 00:25
    The best thing to do is contact the company and look at the web site. Their various products are used in many industries including medical equipment, gym, restoration services, dental offices. However if it is being sprayed or fogged in rooms pianos may need to be removed. It could be a good product to use on plastic keys but that will depend on how it is sprayed. Again its a good idea to discuss concerns with the company and know which specific products and methods would be useful to disinfect studios.

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    James Kelly
    Owner- Fur Elise Piano Service
    Pawleys Island SC
    843-325-4357
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  • 4.  RE: Bioesque Disinfectant

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 05-03-2020 16:29
    I think it is a very bad idea to fog rooms with pianos.  Wipe down the piano.  I have not been asked about anything like that yet.  

    I plan to put up new signs advising people to wash hands before and after playing the piano, such as were popular in 2009.  Maybe we should require masks while playing piano?  It is amazing what high gloss pianos look like in choral rooms.  It is obvious why expensive microphones have spit guards.  

    Are they going to spray every day, or even between each user?  If not, what is the point of doing it at all?  The virus only exists for a few hours on porous surfaces, and up to 72 hours on smooth surfaces under ideal circumstances.  Close the piano rooms for four days, and all virus will be dead.  Then, the first person to walk in renders the precautions moot.  Practice rooms are not subway trains.

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    Greg Graham, RPT
    Brodheadsville, PA
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  • 5.  RE: Bioesque Disinfectant

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 05-03-2020 22:04
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    I think Mario Igrec is on the right track, when it comes to being practical. Soap works fine (20 seconds). Alcohol works fine (30 seconds). At least that is the timing I have read. So either one is fine, a mixture is fine. So is hydrogen peroxide, but I believe it takes longer (I read that Steinway recommended H2O2). None are harmful to most modern keyboards as long as they are wiped dry within a minute or so.

    When UNM was just on extended spring break, thinking students would be back (and some would be around to practice in the interim), I was asked by the chair to "do something." What I came up with was cleaning the keys and areas that would be touched (fallboards, music desks, stretcher tops, key slips, key blocks). I would spritz the keys, one end to the other, aiming so as to get both sides of the sharps (IOW, from each direction). I just used a solution of diluted Simple Green. Wait a few seconds, follow with dry rag. And I posted a sign on each piano, taped to where the music is placed.



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  • 6.  RE: Bioesque Disinfectant

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 05-03-2020 22:40
    Somehow the post I sent got cut off before it was delivered. Here's the rest. 

    I actually cleaned the keys thoroughly, and my cleaning rag was soon wet, so I'm sure the keys were wet long enough for soap to do the job. 

    My sign calls for the piano user to wipe the keys before and after use with Clorox wipes and alcohol wipes, which were what we had available and could place in locations where they could be found (couldn't buy anything anywhere). I investigated and learned that Clorox wipes do not have a chlorine bleach agent, though they do have a couple compounds with a chloride, ie a "salt" of some kind. They seemed to be innocuous enough for the purpose.

    But as Greg Graham pointed out, this was really more of a feel good effort than actually effective. The instructions on my signs saying to wash hands before and after were the most effective part, assuming they were followed. Bottom line, we can't guarantee anything. I do think it was a good idea to have all keyboards clean as a starting point. 

    The most likely source of contagion is probably airborne particles breathed in. Second most is hands which later touch surfaces that allow entrance into the body (eyes, nose, mouth).

    I'm glad I won't be handling this in the fall. [It's strange retiring this way, just suddenly not going in the last six weeks, but I'm not complaining.] 

    Regards,
    Fred Sturm
    "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." Twain






  • 7.  RE: Bioesque Disinfectant

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 05-04-2020 13:07
    And what about our procedures between pianos?

    If the virus can stay on hard surfaces for three days, and you can get infected by touching a hard surface and then your face (confirmed by a reply I got from CDC), can your tools pick up a virus from a hard surface like a tuning pin, and transmit it to another piano? Will we have to disinfect our tools after each one? What about our tool cases?

    Imagine an infected person has sneezed over a grand with the lid up, just before we got there.

    CDC does not recommend the use of products like vodka and hand sanitizer to disinfect surfaces from coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). For disinfection, diluted household bleach solutions, alcohol solutions with at least 70% alcohol, and most common EPA-registered household disinfectants should be effective.

    In general, community members can practice routine cleaning of frequently touched surfaces (for example: tables, doorknobs, light switches, handles, desks, toilets, faucets, sinks) with household cleaners and EPA-registered disinfectants that are appropriate for the surface, following label instructions. Labels contain instructions for safe and effective use of the cleaning product including precautions community members should take when applying the product, such as wearing gloves and making sure you have good ventilation during use of the product.

    For more information on how to clean and disinfect surfaces and other items, as well as information on hand hygiene and other preventive measures, see CDC's interim cleaning and disinfection recommendations for U.S. households, which is available on the CDC website: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/cleaning-disinfection.html.

    -Cy- 





  • 8.  RE: Bioesque Disinfectant

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 05-04-2020 13:11

    Thank you for contacting CDC-INFO. We are sorry for the delay in responding to your inquiry. A recent high volume of inquiries has delayed our response.

    We hope you find the following information about guidance on businesses helpful.

    On March 16, 2020, the President of the United States issued updated Coronavirus Guidelines for America. This guidance states that:

    "If you work in a critical infrastructure industry, as defined by the Department of Homeland Security, such as healthcare services and pharmaceutical and food supply, you have a special responsibility to maintain your normal work schedule."

     In accordance with this mandate, and in collaboration with other federal agencies and the private sector, the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) developed an initial list of "Essential Critical Infrastructure Workers" to help state and local officials as they work to protect their communities, while ensuring continuity of functions critical to public health and safety, as well as economic and national security. Visit the CISA website to view this list of "Essential Critical Infrastructure Workers."

    If you have additional questions about critical infrastructure sectors, services, and functions in your area, please contact your state or local government for information specific to your community.

    CDC does not recommend the use of products like vodka and hand sanitizer to disinfect surfaces from coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). For disinfection, diluted household bleach solutions, alcohol solutions with at least 70% alcohol, and most common EPA-registered household disinfectants should be effective.

    In general, community members can practice routine cleaning of frequently touched surfaces (for example: tables, doorknobs, light switches, handles, desks, toilets, faucets, sinks) with household cleaners and EPA-registered disinfectants that are appropriate for the surface, following label instructions. Labels contain instructions for safe and effective use of the cleaning product including precautions community members should take when applying the product, such as wearing gloves and making sure you have good ventilation during use of the product.

    For more information on how to clean and disinfect surfaces and other items, as well as information on hand hygiene and other preventive measures, see CDC's interim cleaning and disinfection recommendations for U.S. households, which is available on the CDC website: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/cleaning-disinfection.html.

    This interim guidance is based on what is currently known about COVID-19. CDC will update this interim guidance as needed and as additional information becomes available. Please check the CDC website periodically for the most-up-to-date interim guidance.

    For more information, please visit the following CDC websites:

    CDC Resources

    Interim Guidance for Implementing Safety Practices for Critical Infrastructure Workers Who May Have Had Exposure to a Person with Suspected or Confirmed COVID-19
    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/community/critical-workers/implementing-safety-practices.html

    Coronavirus Disease 2019: Information for Businesses
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    Health Department Listings
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    Coronavirus Disease 2019: Cleaning and Disinfection for Households
    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/cleaning-disinfection.html

    Coronavirus Disease 2019: Household Checklist
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    Coronavirus Disease 2019: How to Protect Yourself & Others
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    When and How to Wash Your Hands
    https://www.cdc.gov/handwashing/when-how-handwashing.html

    External Resources

    External Resources

    Guidance on the Essential Critical Infrastructure Workforce
    U.S. Department of Homeland Security, Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA)
    https://www.cisa.gov/publication/guidance-essential-critical-infrastructure-workforce

    Coronavirus Guidelines for America
    The White House
    https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/coronavirus-guidelines-america/

    State Governments
    USA.gov
    https://www.usa.gov/states-and-territories

    Novel Coronavirus (COVID-19)-Fighting Products
    American Chemistry Council
    https://www.americanchemistry.com/Novel-Coronavirus-Fighting-Products-List.pdf

    EPA provides critical information to the American public about safe disinfectant use
    U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA)
    https://www.epa.gov/newsreleases/epa-provides-critical-information-american-public-about-safe-disinfectant-use



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    Cy Shuster, RPT
    Albuquerque, NM
    http://www.shusterpiano.com
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