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Spinet Grand for Sale!!!

  • 1.  Spinet Grand for Sale!!!

    Posted 12 days ago
    Put your mask on and come get it (actually, it's in Florida, so maybe a fitted full-face respirator?)!!!!!!  Hurry, don't get caught in the stampede!!!


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    Terry Farrell
    Farrell Piano Service, Inc.
    Brandon, Florida
    terry@farrellpiano.com
    813-684-3505
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  • 2.  RE: Spinet Grand for Sale!!!

    Member
    Posted 12 days ago
    I tune one of these occasionally. Not a bad piano and the tuning pins are in the front!

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    Regards,

    Jon Page
    mailto:jonpage@comcast.net
    http://www.pianocapecod.com
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  • 3.  RE: Spinet Grand for Sale!!!

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 12 days ago
    I'm getting my trailer ready!

    Pwg

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    Peter Grey
    Stratham NH
    603-686-2395
    pianodoctor57@gmail.com
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  • 4.  RE: Spinet Grand for Sale!!!

    Posted 12 days ago
    Yeah, I have one on my roster that I've been servicing for many, many years. Condition-wise - typical reasonably cared for piano with many, many miles on it. I love pulling the action out.....!  ;-)

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    Terry Farrell
    Farrell Piano Service, Inc.
    Brandon, Florida
    terry@farrellpiano.com
    813-684-3505
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  • 5.  RE: Spinet Grand for Sale!!!

    Posted 12 days ago
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    Oops! I found the picture - forgot to post it!!!

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    Terry Farrell
    Farrell Piano Service, Inc.
    Brandon, Florida
    terry@farrellpiano.com
    813-684-3505
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  • 6.  RE: Spinet Grand for Sale!!!

    Member
    Posted 12 days ago
    maybe it belongs in the PTG museum ... A piano ahead of its time

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    James Kelly
    Owner- Fur Elise Piano Service
    Pawleys Island SC
    843-325-4357
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  • 7.  RE: Spinet Grand for Sale!!!

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 10 days ago
    The PTG Foundation museum has one. https://my.ptg.org/foundation/museum/pianos/mathushek The action is not like Terry Farrell's, no strange angle. For anyone interested in the history of this design, here are two contemporary accounts of it by William Braid White, writing in Music Trade Review in 1931.

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    Fred Sturm
    University of New Mexico
    fssturm@unm.edu
    http://fredsturm.net
    http://www.artoftuning.com
    "We either make ourselves happy or miserable. The amount of work is the same." - Carlos Casteneda
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  • 8.  RE: Spinet Grand for Sale!!!

    Posted 9 days ago
    Thanks for posting the links Fred. The "Spinet Grand" at the PTG museum appears to be a very small traditional American square grand. The spinet grand that I service - the action in my picture - is radically different in that the tenor and treble tuning pins are right up front like on a modern grand and the bass tuning pins are on the left side of the piano. And of course, the bridge layout is radically different from both a modern grand and the traditional American square grand.

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    Terry Farrell
    Farrell Piano Service, Inc.
    Brandon, Florida
    terry@farrellpiano.com
    813-684-3505
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  • 9.  RE: Spinet Grand for Sale!!!

    Member
    Posted 9 days ago
    Terry, do you have a pic of the bridge sweep in this beast?

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    Jim Ialeggio
    grandpianosolutions.com
    Shirley, MA
    978 425-9026
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  • 10.  RE: Spinet Grand for Sale!!!

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 9 days ago

    Seems like I should have taken photos. The little church has since sold the piano. The tuning pin arrangement sounds like Terry's. Most in front, with a lot of bias to the rows of pins, and the bass pins on the left. The bias arrangement, and the array with two groups staggered, made finding the right tuning pin and muting the right strings not exactly difficult, but needing attention.






  • 11.  RE: Spinet Grand for Sale!!!

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 9 days ago
    Terry,
    The one at the museum is the same as the one I serviced for many years (Photos are from mine). Do you have a serial number for yours?

    The design is partly premised on having the bass and treble ends of the soundboard extend above the keys. Couldn't do that with tuning pins in front. 
    "Believe those who seek the truth; doubt those who find it; doubt everything but yourself." Gide






  • 12.  RE: Spinet Grand for Sale!!!

    Posted 9 days ago
    86180

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    Terry Farrell
    Farrell Piano Service, Inc.
    Brandon, Florida
    terry@farrellpiano.com
    813-684-3505
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  • 13.  RE: Spinet Grand for Sale!!!

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 9 days ago
    Very curious. Mine is 85267, less than 1000 earlier. I wonder if push back from piano tuners against having the pins in the back led to a change of design. Anyone else have one with pins in front?

    Regards,
    Fred Sturm
    "The true sign of intelligence is not knowledge, but imagination." - Einstein






  • 14.  RE: Spinet Grand for Sale!!!

    Posted 11 days ago
    I have no words for the person who designed that piano.





  • 15.  RE: Spinet Grand for Sale!!!

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 11 days ago

    That's all right, Keith. I'm sure the designer is no longer able to hear you.

    I wonder if the design process included a certain amount of glee, and also, perhaps, some satisfaction imagining the annoyance some people working on them might feel before they figured out how to do it.






  • 16.  RE: Spinet Grand for Sale!!!

    Posted 11 days ago
    That was how Chickering did it. I doubt he did it intentionally but when he found out, he probably had huge moments of glee and some of deep depression.
    This piano may sound good,, sort of,,, but the difference in feel from the bass notes being so odd it's an acquired taste I'm sure.





  • 17.  RE: Spinet Grand for Sale!!!

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 11 days ago

    I wouldn't say the sound of a Matthushek square is "good", more like "distinct". It has a character of its own.






  • 18.  RE: Spinet Grand for Sale!!!

    Posted 11 days ago
    Susan - I'm not really sure why you comment that the little spinet grand is difficult to work on. Seems like any other piano to me. String spacing is fairly normal. The action works like a grand action - because it is. The thing I don't like about the piano is that is sounds like a very small piano - because it is! It sounds like a not-the-greatest little spinet. Looks good though.

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    Terry Farrell
    Farrell Piano Service, Inc.
    Brandon, Florida
    terry@farrellpiano.com
    813-684-3505
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  • 19.  RE: Spinet Grand for Sale!!!

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 11 days ago

    Getting inside to fix something gave me a few moments ... the sort of situation where not taking the time to figure things out first might lead to breakage.






  • 20.  RE: Spinet Grand for Sale!!!

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 12 days ago
    I replaced the pin block on one of those little grands. Turned out to be a very nice instrument.

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    Willem "Wim" Blees, RPT
    Mililani, HI 96789
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  • 21.  RE: Spinet Grand for Sale!!!

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 12 days ago

    Wim,

    What is your definition of "nice"? I looked up the definition of "nice" in Webster's dictionary, and here are some of the definitions of "nice"  -- wanton, dissolute, acceptable, finicky, showing finicky tastes.






  • 22.  RE: Spinet Grand for Sale!!!

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 12 days ago
    Roger. Completed to a "regular" square, it was I big improvement.  Compared to other low end grands, it was even better.  Compared to a spinet, it was a huge improvement.  For that I give it a "nice" rating.

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    Willem "Wim" Blees, RPT
    Mililani, HI 96789
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  • 23.  RE: Spinet Grand for Sale!!!

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 12 days ago

    Hi, Roger

    The definition of "nice" has given me a little trouble in the past. My dad taught physics. To a scientist or a mathematician, "nice" applied to a proof or a piece of work is high praise.

    But when I was in a conservatory, and told someone that a performance was "nice", she was offended. To her mind, "nice" applied to a musical performance implied that it was trivial.

    As for a Matthushek square (I looked after one for a few years), if in good original condition or well rebuilt, "nice" suggests that it is pleasing in a quirky way, which is a quite accurate description of this unique model -- a square way after the time of square grands, not a grand, not a spinet, so they called it a spinet grand, all kinds of work-arounds to accommodate a very strange geometry, and yet the thing actually plays. With the narrow string spacing and the odd tuning pin layout, I found it hard to mute and it took constant attention to be on the right tuning pin -- but heck, it was a fun experience.






  • 24.  RE: Spinet Grand for Sale!!!

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 8 days ago
    I've taken care of a couple of Mathushek Spinet Grands over the years. I also ran into this Charles Frederick Stein last year. This year, I took pictures.


    As many pianos as I have seen with CFS on them, this is the first with his name on the front, and it's a doozy. Serial 1834, Scale N. Sounds like you would expect. 


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    David Stocker, RPT
    PNWRVP
    Olympia WA
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  • 25.  RE: Spinet Grand for Sale!!!

    Posted 8 days ago
    Thank you David for posting the pictures of your spinet grand. Does CFS actually use the term "spinet grand"? Jim - I looked all over for my pictures (that I know I have) of the bridge layout of my spinet grand - couldn't find them. David - your spinet grand has pretty much the exact same bridge layout as mine. The only difference being that the tuning pins for the bass on mine are along the left side of the piano - I guess that would give mine a little bit longer bass strings. Probably sounds about the same as mine - like a tiny little spinet.

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    Terry Farrell
    Farrell Piano Service, Inc.
    Brandon, Florida
    terry@farrellpiano.com
    813-684-3505
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  • 26.  RE: Spinet Grand for Sale!!!

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 7 days ago
    David,

    I thought I had a "One-Of-A-Kind" piano in my files. Apparently not!  See attached. Hope this works!





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    Bill Maxim, RPT
    Maxim Piano Service
    Columbia, SC
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  • 27.  RE: Spinet Grand for Sale!!!

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 7 days ago
    My guess is that the Mathusheck spinet grand was enough of a success that other makers imitated it, including with down-striking actions. This continued into the 50's and 69's, with many of them bichord throughout, and some with limited range, 5 octave being common. It also happened in England, don't know about the rest of Europe. 

    I've seen a few of the down striking bichords, and a couple of the Mathusheks, myself. 
    Fred Sturm
    University of New Mexico
    fssturm@unm.edu
    http://fredsturm.net
    www.artoftuning.com
    "Practice makes permanent. (Only perfect practice makes perfect)."