I've been using Pianometer lately, after using the Accutuner for many years. The Pianometer display shows much more information, with spinners for several partials. What I had failed to see on the Accutuner, which is the initial bump in frequency, is easily seen on the Pianometer. I think there must be some kind of display smoothing on the Accutuner, because it is almost instantaneous on the display and mostly remains steady, whereas the Pianometer shows everything in real time, first sharp, then flat, sometimes going flat after a few seconds. And of course, it does depend upon how hard you play the note. Thus, it takes me longer with Pianometer because I have to wait and see what is happening, sometimes several times to be sure it's correct.
I"ve also heard to tune the treble on attack, and the rest on decay. I'm not totally on that train of thought, tho. Depends..
Paul McCloud
Jim Ialeggio
The attack does not contain organized pitch, except in what I consider my "grail tone"..."grail tone" is rather rare, I'm afraid, in most pianos. So, that means, if you tune into the attack, the point where pitch is disorganized, what are you tuning into???...disorganized pitch??? Wait for the pitch to become discernible, and that will be a musically useful pitch to tune to. Each piano I think will organize pitch at its own pace, so, one has to listen to the individual piano, to decide when pitch has organized itself.
This is interesting, because folks often council to tune into the attack...I almost never do, for the reason stated above.
ETD's sample much slower than the ear, so maybe its an interesting point, to try and decide, with an ETD when in the tone to go for the target.
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Jim Ialeggio
grandpianosolutions.com
Shirley, MA
978 425-9026
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The attack does not contain organized pitch, except in what I consider my "grail tone"..."grail tone" is rather rare, I'm afraid, in most pianos. So, that means, if you tune into the attack, the point where pitch is disorganized, what are you tuning into???...disorganized pitch??? Wait for the pitch to become discernible, and that will be a musically useful pitch to tune to. Each piano I think will organize pitch at its own pace, so, one has to listen to the individual piano, to decide when pitch has organized itself.
This is interesting, because folks often council to tune into the attack...I almost never do, for the reason stated above.
ETD's sample much slower than the ear, so maybe its an interesting point, to try and decide, with an ETD when in the tone to go for the target.
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Jim Ialeggio
grandpianosolutions.com
Shirley, MA
978 425-9026
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Subject: Frequency Change
The question then becomes, "When do you read the pitch?" when using an ETD. Wait for it to stabilize (a few seconds) or on the attack, knowing it will fall in pitch.
Paul McCloud
San Diego
Margaret Jusiel
That was worded much better. Thanks! 😁
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Athens, WV
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That was worded much better. Thanks! 😁
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From: Mark Schecter
Subject: Frequency Change
When the hammer strikes the string,the energy imparted moves it away from its equilibrium position, which increases the tension. With each zero-crossing, the tension reaches zero momentarily, but the string's momentum carries it beyond the zero point, again increasing the tension momentarily. This continues as long as momentum remains, until the string has no more energy. At the moment of attack, the force moving the string is greatest, and so is the increase in tension, thus the increase in pitch. As the momentum decreases, so does the pitch.
Mark Schecter
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From: Clark Sprague
Subject: Frequency Change
Hello, esteemed Listees. This question was asked by a member who is not on this list, and I didn't know the answer. I thought maybe someone could enlighten us both. Thank you for your replies!
When tuning using a hard test blow, the frequency of the string increases, but then gradually lowers as volume decreases.
Why does this happen given that the length, tension and mass of the string does not change?
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Clark Sprague
Bowling Green OH
[csprague4@gmail.com]
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