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  • 1.  What do you do with old inventory?

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 05-22-2019 11:25
    I am curious as to what avenues CAUT technicians recommend for appropriate re-homing of old inventory? I have mostly 1960s era Steinway Ls and Bs, and 1980s era Yamaha U1s at my college, which have been rebuilt or restored, or not, and are getting too tired to work with. We do not have a plan in place for regular replacement but I have been fighting for one for years. I may be making some headway and hoping to actually purchase some new pianos soon. I wondered what you all have found to be successful as far as selling/trading in old workhorses? Thanks!

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    Crystal Fielding, RPT
    Fielding Piano Service
    Townshend, VT
    www.fieldingpiano.com
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  • 2.  RE: What do you do with old inventory?

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 05-22-2019 13:40
    Crystal, first of all...you may want to check with the "powers that be" (especially if you are at a State University) and see if it is possible to trade some of these in if there is a piano purchase made. A lot of times this could be the only way to REALLY help defray the cost of some new pianos. At least this has been our experience here in my region. 
    Our University (and all Texas state univ as well) are super strict and yours will likely be similar. We are NEVER able to sell anything ..at all..ever.
    Then if you just send it to surplus, it goes out to be auctioned off and you/the school will never see one dime of it. 
    (Although this CAN be a possible way for a few people to buy their own "fixer upper" piano... trading them in will often accomplish the same thing, and at LEAST the school will receive a fairly decent amount of trade-in for these pianos. 
    My two cents..I'm sure others will chime in.

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    [Kevin] [Fortenberry] [RPT]
    [Staff Techician]
    [Texas Tech Univ]
    [Lubbock] [TX]
    [8067783962]
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  • 3.  RE: What do you do with old inventory?

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 05-22-2019 13:51
    Well, as Kevin said, ultimately it's up to the powers that be. It will be their decision, and everyone will have to live with it. However....

    Options will depend on what their goal is in regards to the pianos. Do they want money for it? Selling or auctioning is an option. Do they want to put up less money for new pianos? Trade in. Do they want good public ratings? Could they give one away to the top piano student of the year? ("Come to our school, do your best, and you could earn a free Steinway!") Could they give it away / sell cheap to a charitable organization, such as Keys 4 Kids?

    Just a few things to think about,

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    Benjamin Sanchez
    Professional Piano Services
    (805)315-8050
    www.professional-piano-services.com
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  • 4.  RE: What do you do with old inventory?

    Posted 05-22-2019 17:45
    Hi Crystal... greetings! so after 33 years at BU I finally left in March this year but   this situation is right in my wheelhouse!  call me sometime.....

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    Martin Snow
    South Burlington VT
    617-543-1030
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  • 5.  RE: What do you do with old inventory?

    Posted 05-22-2019 21:00
    What did we do with old inventory?

    For starters, a few of our retired uprights and grands went to the “UCLA Piano Project” headed up by a student who wanted to see old pianos placed in student frequented common areas of the school, i.e., coffee shops, entry foyers of various buildings on campus, and yes—though this will never be a long lasting solution--pianos placed outdoors on the Bruin Walk, where students and other passerbys can sit and play. This has been really really cool to see. People are constantly playing these instruments. Instruments placed outdoors, even when covered etc when not in use, won’t last for too long though.

    The caveat is, once these pianos leave the music school’s hands, they are no longer our problem or concern. It is up to the organization sponsoring the Piano Project to keep up donated instruments and tune them. The music school piano maintenance department is already stretched out too thin as it is.

    We ran into the similar strict University policies with selling retired pianos (all we can do going this route is selling them on Pennysaver which hardly gets a plug nickel for anything). University policy was undoubtably fostered by some bad experience over many years, I think likely: too much human element, dishonest shenanigans, or just plain old bad feelings created unintentionally, or perhaps intentionally by underhanded selling of university property. I would like to see old worn out pianos go first, to university employees who really want them. But no. And I get that.

    Sean McLaughlin
    Lead Piano Technician
    UCLA Herb Alpert School of Music
    Los Angeles, California
    310-825-7058 office/piano shop




  • 6.  RE: What do you do with old inventory?

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 05-23-2019 00:31
    We have great difficulty in NM due to an "anti-donation" clause in the state constitution, which means we have to jump through many hoops to go outside the state umbrella. Under the umbrella, meaning within state governmental agencies, we are pretty free to act. So we can sell or give pianos to other state universities, to public schools, to other departments in the university, to dorms, etc.

    Doing trade in during purchase is also possible, but the piano stores were not at all enthusiastic, due to condition of the case, and the amount offered was nominal, probably built into the bid (raise the bid $300, then offer $300 for the trade).

    During my term of office, I donated 15 - 20 uprights to public schools, sold 5 to a smaller state U down the road for $200 each to use in their dorms, gave some to the dance department to replace their far more decrepit inventory. I've done a similar approach with grands, but in that case have mostly expanded the number in our inventory as the department grew.

    I try to use piano disposal as a way to engender good will, and to provide opportunities for the students and faculty in one way or another if possible.

    BYU, which is not a state institution, cycles through and sells its pianos on a regular basis, so contact Keith Kopp or Jim Busby to know more about that if you aren't constrained by state law.
    Regards,
    Fred Sturm
    "We either make ourselves happy or miserable. The amount of work is the same." - Carlos Casteneda






  • 7.  RE: What do you do with old inventory?

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 05-23-2019 08:57
    At BYU we kept uprights for around 20 years, then sold them. That is the point where the pianos are still in reasonable shape, so we could get a good price. (We reconditioned them prior to selling) Years ago we bought P22s for $2000 and 20 years later sold them for around $2000. We would line them up to sell in the hallway outside the piano shop. We always had some there. We advertised in several papers. If they wouldn't sell we would lower the price monthly until they did. We had 426 pianos at BYU so we were fairly unique. We'd surplus around 20 a year. 

    Grands usually went at 30 years. We rebuilt Steinwas pianos...  





  • 8.  RE: What do you do with old inventory?

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 05-23-2019 09:04
    I am in a similar situation - of our 95 pianos, nearly 3/4ths of our 54 grands are over 50 years old, and only 11 pianos are younger than 20 years old (and only 3 of those are grands). Luckily the repair/maintenance budget has been enough that we've at least been able to replace hammers/action parts on a fairly reasonable schedule, but there are several pianos that are definitely getting too tired to work with, barring rebuilds. Luckily the current director is fully on my side regarding the need to have a replacement plan in place, but we're fully aware how hard it will be to allocate the money for that when it's not been in the regular budget for quite a while.

    It seems the most cost-effective solution is to trade in old pianos to help offset the costs of new pianos. I was given a budget of $35k for 3 new practice room grands, and without trading in pianos that would be simply impossible, even with institutional discounts. And even with the trade ins, it will still be a stretch to get close to our budget.

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    Adam Schulte-Bukowinski, RPT
    Piano Technician
    Glenn Korff School of Music
    University of Nebraska at Lincoln
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  • 9.  RE: What do you do with old inventory?

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 05-23-2019 13:07
    Hi, all,

    I’m pretty sure that every institution will vary by state laws and even private schools have some limitations. I used trade-ins where possible, but as was mentioned, dealers were reluctant and wouldn’t offer much.

    In California, as part of the CSU system, I eventually discovered a little-know technique that I used many times. Any piano that music didn’t want could be transferred to Property for disposal, and as was also mentioned, money went into the General Fund and Music got nothing. Then I discovered that I was allowed to trade items to the general public under a situation called a “Memorandum of Understanding” (MOU) for a “Valueless Trade”. I ended up using this many times and it worked very well.

    I was able, over the years, to trade nearly worthless old uprights for new artist benches, for example. One PTG member bought 4 old Everetts, refinished them and cleaned up the insides, and added them to his rental business. I was also able to trade a 1955 Baldwin R for a couple of expensive new sets of hammers, shanks and flanges, repetitions, etc. I once traded a 1963 Baldwin R for a new Yamaha upright. (The technician purchased the upright and traded me for the grand.)

    In California, it involved paperwork, advertising the offered trade situation in a couple of specific newspapers (that was back in the day) and so on. The only practical way I could do that was to put out the word among local technicians to see who wanted what, see if we could agree on a general price point, and then find an item that I needed, to have offered for the trade. Then I could start the formal paperwork. Much was behind the scenes, and the eventual deal had to be offered to the public. Never had any takers from the newspaper ads.

    It meant more office time, but thel music department received something useful in return. You may want to check out those phrases “Valueless Trade” and “Memo of Understanding” to see if anyone at your school or state recognizes the concept.

    Kathy