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Nearly every day I have a need to find information on a member of PTG.  The former printed directory was so handy and useful that I rue the day it was decided to cease publication.  Yes, I understand the reasoning:  Go Green, save trees, it was costly, etc. etc.
      But the alternative provided online is almost unusable.  I go to the online directory and the only thing I can find out is if the person I'm looking for is a member or not.  I cannot find his/her address or phone, email or website if any.  I have to resort to other means to find the person.  This is time consuming and not always productive.  If I'm on the road internet service is not always available, but a portable directory is.
      Give us back the old printed directory perhaps with these alternatives:  Publish every two years instead of every year.  I for one would be willing to pay for the information to offset PTG's cost of publication.  Another solution might be to publish it electronically so the information could be printed on our own printers or taken to an office supply to be made into bound form.  Could a chip/thumb drive be made available we could plug into our own computers?
      At the very least, consider giving PTG members a directory at PTG.org that is complete and user friendly.  I can assume that with Clint Sears gone this is not easy to do.  But if the powers that be in PTG want to give its members an genuine benefit that is immediately usable, please consider restoring the directory.  How do similar organizations accomplish this?  Sometimes decisions that seem right at the time, don't turn out that way in the end.  Anyone?

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Mike Kurta, RPT
N. Michigan chapter
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Hi Mike:
I downloaded the online version of the directory.  They are from last year.  Two PDF's,  One is alphabetical, the other is also, but by chapter and region.  I'm attaching the files.  I also would like a printed version, but with these files you could do it yourself.  Paul Adams posted a link a few weeks back to these files on PTG.org, so I downloaded them.  The formatting is not as easy to use, as you'll see, but at least you'll have the latest version.
Hope it helps.
Paul McCloud
San Diego

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Paul McCloud, RPT
Accutone Piano Service
www.AccutonePianoService.com
service@accutonepianoservice.com
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Original Message:
Sent: 08-01-2021 03:29
From: Michael Kurta
Subject: RESTORE THE MEMBER DIRECTORY

Nearly every day I have a need to find information on a member of PTG.  The former printed directory was so handy and useful that I rue the day it was decided to cease publication.  Yes, I understand the reasoning:  Go Green, save trees, it was costly, etc. etc.
      But the alternative provided online is almost unusable.  I go to the online directory and the only thing I can find out is if the person I'm looking for is a member or not.  I cannot find his/her address or phone, email or website if any.  I have to resort to other means to find the person.  This is time consuming and not always productive.  If I'm on the road internet service is not always available, but a portable directory is.
      Give us back the old printed directory perhaps with these alternatives:  Publish every two years instead of every year.  I for one would be willing to pay for the information to offset PTG's cost of publication.  Another solution might be to publish it electronically so the information could be printed on our own printers or taken to an office supply to be made into bound form.  Could a chip/thumb drive be made available we could plug into our own computers?
      At the very least, consider giving PTG members a directory at PTG.org that is complete and user friendly.  I can assume that with Clint Sears gone this is not easy to do.  But if the powers that be in PTG want to give its members an genuine benefit that is immediately usable, please consider restoring the directory.  How do similar organizations accomplish this?  Sometimes decisions that seem right at the time, don't turn out that way in the end.  Anyone?

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Mike Kurta, RPT
N. Michigan chapter
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Mike

In addition to the two directories Paul attached, there is also a industry list. 
Piano Technicians Guild - PTG

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Piano Technicians Guild - PTG View this on Ptg >

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Willem "Wim" Blees, RPT
St. Augustine, FL 32095
Tnrwim@aol.com
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Original Message:
Sent: 08-01-2021 04:38
From: Paul McCloud
Subject: RESTORE THE MEMBER DIRECTORY

Hi Mike:
I downloaded the online version of the directory.  They are from last year.  Two PDF's,  One is alphabetical, the other is also, but by chapter and region.  I'm attaching the files.  I also would like a printed version, but with these files you could do it yourself.  Paul Adams posted a link a few weeks back to these files on PTG.org, so I downloaded them.  The formatting is not as easy to use, as you'll see, but at least you'll have the latest version.
Hope it helps.
Paul McCloud
San Diego

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Paul McCloud, RPT
Accutone Piano Service
www.AccutonePianoService.com
service@accutonepianoservice.com

Original Message:
Sent: 08-01-2021 03:29
From: Michael Kurta
Subject: RESTORE THE MEMBER DIRECTORY

Nearly every day I have a need to find information on a member of PTG.  The former printed directory was so handy and useful that I rue the day it was decided to cease publication.  Yes, I understand the reasoning:  Go Green, save trees, it was costly, etc. etc.
      But the alternative provided online is almost unusable.  I go to the online directory and the only thing I can find out is if the person I'm looking for is a member or not.  I cannot find his/her address or phone, email or website if any.  I have to resort to other means to find the person.  This is time consuming and not always productive.  If I'm on the road internet service is not always available, but a portable directory is.
      Give us back the old printed directory perhaps with these alternatives:  Publish every two years instead of every year.  I for one would be willing to pay for the information to offset PTG's cost of publication.  Another solution might be to publish it electronically so the information could be printed on our own printers or taken to an office supply to be made into bound form.  Could a chip/thumb drive be made available we could plug into our own computers?
      At the very least, consider giving PTG members a directory at PTG.org that is complete and user friendly.  I can assume that with Clint Sears gone this is not easy to do.  But if the powers that be in PTG want to give its members an genuine benefit that is immediately usable, please consider restoring the directory.  How do similar organizations accomplish this?  Sometimes decisions that seem right at the time, don't turn out that way in the end.  Anyone?

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Mike Kurta, RPT
N. Michigan chapter
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Here's the link to search for ALL PTG members, not just RPT's. Results show all the information you are seeking. You can search by name, chapter, zip code and by services offered.
https://portal.ptg.org/4dcgi/directory/member/person.html 

I frequently find myself in a location where my cell phone coverage is less than desirable when I need to search for something or make a call. I have set my phone up to use WiFi calling when available. Only drawback is it does need you to have your phone WiFi turned on and you do need access to the WiFi in that location. I have never had a customer deny me that access, except when they don't remember their password, or guest password, (in which case I have often had them just hand me their already connected phone). They understand that I need it for their benefit in that I'm either searching out a recommended tech in an area they may be moving to, or simply calling tech support while sitting at their piano deep in the hills. 

Here's the link to the Resources directory. It's actually quite complete.
https://portal.ptg.org/4dcgi/directory/Resource/Resource.html 

Everything the printed directory had these two links provide. I like it this way because it's very efficient, plus I don't have to carry yet another book or tool around with me that I have to go back out to the car to retrieve.

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Geoff Sykes, RPT
Los Angeles CA
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Original Message:
Sent: 08-01-2021 03:29
From: Michael Kurta
Subject: RESTORE THE MEMBER DIRECTORY

Nearly every day I have a need to find information on a member of PTG.  The former printed directory was so handy and useful that I rue the day it was decided to cease publication.  Yes, I understand the reasoning:  Go Green, save trees, it was costly, etc. etc.
      But the alternative provided online is almost unusable.  I go to the online directory and the only thing I can find out is if the person I'm looking for is a member or not.  I cannot find his/her address or phone, email or website if any.  I have to resort to other means to find the person.  This is time consuming and not always productive.  If I'm on the road internet service is not always available, but a portable directory is.
      Give us back the old printed directory perhaps with these alternatives:  Publish every two years instead of every year.  I for one would be willing to pay for the information to offset PTG's cost of publication.  Another solution might be to publish it electronically so the information could be printed on our own printers or taken to an office supply to be made into bound form.  Could a chip/thumb drive be made available we could plug into our own computers?
      At the very least, consider giving PTG members a directory at PTG.org that is complete and user friendly.  I can assume that with Clint Sears gone this is not easy to do.  But if the powers that be in PTG want to give its members an genuine benefit that is immediately usable, please consider restoring the directory.  How do similar organizations accomplish this?  Sometimes decisions that seem right at the time, don't turn out that way in the end.  Anyone?

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Mike Kurta, RPT
N. Michigan chapter
------------------------------

Michael,
I'm with you on this. Call me old fashion, but I can more quickly find a person in the print version than going on-line to find what I need, especially when I'm not sure who I'm looking for. The supplier section of the directory is very helpful. I still use my old print directory to find supplier information.Having the ability to quickly view two open pages gives me the advantage over a "one-page" computer view and very difficult for me on a cell phone. Also, a nicely wire bound directory is easier to manipulate that pages of stapled copy paper. A tremendous advantage of a print catalog --directory or supply -- is the ability to view many items that may not be in the realm of a given search but provides information that could be useful in the future. A case in point. When I first entered into piano technology I read through the piano supply catalogs and discovered a vast wealth of information that I didn't know existed. I always have my students browse through OEM print catalogs. Knowing what's out there is extremely educating.

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Roger Gable
Gable Piano
Everett WA
425-252-5000
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Original Message:
Sent: 08-01-2021 03:29
From: Michael Kurta
Subject: RESTORE THE MEMBER DIRECTORY

Nearly every day I have a need to find information on a member of PTG.  The former printed directory was so handy and useful that I rue the day it was decided to cease publication.  Yes, I understand the reasoning:  Go Green, save trees, it was costly, etc. etc.
      But the alternative provided online is almost unusable.  I go to the online directory and the only thing I can find out is if the person I'm looking for is a member or not.  I cannot find his/her address or phone, email or website if any.  I have to resort to other means to find the person.  This is time consuming and not always productive.  If I'm on the road internet service is not always available, but a portable directory is.
      Give us back the old printed directory perhaps with these alternatives:  Publish every two years instead of every year.  I for one would be willing to pay for the information to offset PTG's cost of publication.  Another solution might be to publish it electronically so the information could be printed on our own printers or taken to an office supply to be made into bound form.  Could a chip/thumb drive be made available we could plug into our own computers?
      At the very least, consider giving PTG members a directory at PTG.org that is complete and user friendly.  I can assume that with Clint Sears gone this is not easy to do.  But if the powers that be in PTG want to give its members an genuine benefit that is immediately usable, please consider restoring the directory.  How do similar organizations accomplish this?  Sometimes decisions that seem right at the time, don't turn out that way in the end.  Anyone?

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Mike Kurta, RPT
N. Michigan chapter
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When it was announced that PTG had several million in the bank, I asked our President if Council could spend some time discussing how to spend the money.  There were many suggestions, and this was one of the suggestions that was on the list.

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Willem "Wim" Blees, RPT
St. Augustine, FL 32095
Tnrwim@aol.com
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Original Message:
Sent: 08-01-2021 12:54
From: Roger Gable
Subject: RESTORE THE MEMBER DIRECTORY

Michael,
I'm with you on this. Call me old fashion, but I can more quickly find a person in the print version than going on-line to find what I need, especially when I'm not sure who I'm looking for. The supplier section of the directory is very helpful. I still use my old print directory to find supplier information.Having the ability to quickly view two open pages gives me the advantage over a "one-page" computer view and very difficult for me on a cell phone. Also, a nicely wire bound directory is easier to manipulate that pages of stapled copy paper. A tremendous advantage of a print catalog --directory or supply -- is the ability to view many items that may not be in the realm of a given search but provides information that could be useful in the future. A case in point. When I first entered into piano technology I read through the piano supply catalogs and discovered a vast wealth of information that I didn't know existed. I always have my students browse through OEM print catalogs. Knowing what's out there is extremely educating.

------------------------------
Roger Gable
Gable Piano
Everett WA
425-252-5000

Original Message:
Sent: 08-01-2021 03:29
From: Michael Kurta
Subject: RESTORE THE MEMBER DIRECTORY

Nearly every day I have a need to find information on a member of PTG.  The former printed directory was so handy and useful that I rue the day it was decided to cease publication.  Yes, I understand the reasoning:  Go Green, save trees, it was costly, etc. etc.
      But the alternative provided online is almost unusable.  I go to the online directory and the only thing I can find out is if the person I'm looking for is a member or not.  I cannot find his/her address or phone, email or website if any.  I have to resort to other means to find the person.  This is time consuming and not always productive.  If I'm on the road internet service is not always available, but a portable directory is.
      Give us back the old printed directory perhaps with these alternatives:  Publish every two years instead of every year.  I for one would be willing to pay for the information to offset PTG's cost of publication.  Another solution might be to publish it electronically so the information could be printed on our own printers or taken to an office supply to be made into bound form.  Could a chip/thumb drive be made available we could plug into our own computers?
      At the very least, consider giving PTG members a directory at PTG.org that is complete and user friendly.  I can assume that with Clint Sears gone this is not easy to do.  But if the powers that be in PTG want to give its members an genuine benefit that is immediately usable, please consider restoring the directory.  How do similar organizations accomplish this?  Sometimes decisions that seem right at the time, don't turn out that way in the end.  Anyone?

------------------------------
Mike Kurta, RPT
N. Michigan chapter
------------------------------

Michael -
Respectfully, we are in a forum that is includes Non-PTG members as well as members.  You are bringing up an issue that you raised, (rather successfully from the perspective of responses) in October of 2019, on PTG-L.  "Let's resurrect the printed member directory".  You, and other PTG members, all of whom have access to that community, should go back and read that discussion.  Then, take a moment to remember that we are just a few days away from our convention board and Council meeting, the latter of which takes place on Tuesday.  The current method for effectuating this change is to create an RFA - Request for Action - coming from your chapter.  This would be submitted to your RVP, to be be brought before the Board.  You can use your platform on PTG-L to discuss this further and try to garner more widespread support for such an RFA.  Wider discussion on Pianotech in not appropriate.  To this, keep in mind that one of the matters that will be discussed by the Board directly relates to a more disciplined active enforcement of list-appropriate discussions, so, whether or not that comes to pass, it behooves us to give it a little more thought on our own.
You might be surprised at what you can do if you understand the process.

------------------------------
David Skolnik [RPT]
Hastings-on-Hudson NY
917-589-2625
------------------------------

Original Message:
Sent: 08-01-2021 12:54
From: Roger Gable
Subject: RESTORE THE MEMBER DIRECTORY

Michael,
I'm with you on this. Call me old fashion, but I can more quickly find a person in the print version than going on-line to find what I need, especially when I'm not sure who I'm looking for. The supplier section of the directory is very helpful. I still use my old print directory to find supplier information.Having the ability to quickly view two open pages gives me the advantage over a "one-page" computer view and very difficult for me on a cell phone. Also, a nicely wire bound directory is easier to manipulate that pages of stapled copy paper. A tremendous advantage of a print catalog --directory or supply -- is the ability to view many items that may not be in the realm of a given search but provides information that could be useful in the future. A case in point. When I first entered into piano technology I read through the piano supply catalogs and discovered a vast wealth of information that I didn't know existed. I always have my students browse through OEM print catalogs. Knowing what's out there is extremely educating.

------------------------------
Roger Gable
Gable Piano
Everett WA
425-252-5000

Original Message:
Sent: 08-01-2021 03:29
From: Michael Kurta
Subject: RESTORE THE MEMBER DIRECTORY

Nearly every day I have a need to find information on a member of PTG.  The former printed directory was so handy and useful that I rue the day it was decided to cease publication.  Yes, I understand the reasoning:  Go Green, save trees, it was costly, etc. etc.
      But the alternative provided online is almost unusable.  I go to the online directory and the only thing I can find out is if the person I'm looking for is a member or not.  I cannot find his/her address or phone, email or website if any.  I have to resort to other means to find the person.  This is time consuming and not always productive.  If I'm on the road internet service is not always available, but a portable directory is.
      Give us back the old printed directory perhaps with these alternatives:  Publish every two years instead of every year.  I for one would be willing to pay for the information to offset PTG's cost of publication.  Another solution might be to publish it electronically so the information could be printed on our own printers or taken to an office supply to be made into bound form.  Could a chip/thumb drive be made available we could plug into our own computers?
      At the very least, consider giving PTG members a directory at PTG.org that is complete and user friendly.  I can assume that with Clint Sears gone this is not easy to do.  But if the powers that be in PTG want to give its members an genuine benefit that is immediately usable, please consider restoring the directory.  How do similar organizations accomplish this?  Sometimes decisions that seem right at the time, don't turn out that way in the end.  Anyone?

------------------------------
Mike Kurta, RPT
N. Michigan chapter
------------------------------

Would the people who want a print directory be willing to pay to have it printed and bound in their choice of binding at their own expense?

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Larry Messerly, RPT
Bringing Harmony to Homes
www.lacrossepianotuning.com
ljmesserly@gmail.com
928-899-7292
------------------------------

Original Message:
Sent: 08-01-2021 13:52
From: David Skolnik
Subject: RESTORE THE MEMBER DIRECTORY

Michael -
Respectfully, we are in a forum that is includes Non-PTG members as well as members.  You are bringing up an issue that you raised, (rather successfully from the perspective of responses) in October of 2019, on PTG-L.  "Let's resurrect the printed member directory".  You, and other PTG members, all of whom have access to that community, should go back and read that discussion.  Then, take a moment to remember that we are just a few days away from our convention board and Council meeting, the latter of which takes place on Tuesday.  The current method for effectuating this change is to create an RFA - Request for Action - coming from your chapter.  This would be submitted to your RVP, to be be brought before the Board.  You can use your platform on PTG-L to discuss this further and try to garner more widespread support for such an RFA.  Wider discussion on Pianotech in not appropriate.  To this, keep in mind that one of the matters that will be discussed by the Board directly relates to a more disciplined active enforcement of list-appropriate discussions, so, whether or not that comes to pass, it behooves us to give it a little more thought on our own.
You might be surprised at what you can do if you understand the process.

------------------------------
David Skolnik [RPT]
Hastings-on-Hudson NY
917-589-2625

Original Message:
Sent: 08-01-2021 12:54
From: Roger Gable
Subject: RESTORE THE MEMBER DIRECTORY

Michael,
I'm with you on this. Call me old fashion, but I can more quickly find a person in the print version than going on-line to find what I need, especially when I'm not sure who I'm looking for. The supplier section of the directory is very helpful. I still use my old print directory to find supplier information.Having the ability to quickly view two open pages gives me the advantage over a "one-page" computer view and very difficult for me on a cell phone. Also, a nicely wire bound directory is easier to manipulate that pages of stapled copy paper. A tremendous advantage of a print catalog --directory or supply -- is the ability to view many items that may not be in the realm of a given search but provides information that could be useful in the future. A case in point. When I first entered into piano technology I read through the piano supply catalogs and discovered a vast wealth of information that I didn't know existed. I always have my students browse through OEM print catalogs. Knowing what's out there is extremely educating.

------------------------------
Roger Gable
Gable Piano
Everett WA
425-252-5000

Original Message:
Sent: 08-01-2021 03:29
From: Michael Kurta
Subject: RESTORE THE MEMBER DIRECTORY

Nearly every day I have a need to find information on a member of PTG.  The former printed directory was so handy and useful that I rue the day it was decided to cease publication.  Yes, I understand the reasoning:  Go Green, save trees, it was costly, etc. etc.
      But the alternative provided online is almost unusable.  I go to the online directory and the only thing I can find out is if the person I'm looking for is a member or not.  I cannot find his/her address or phone, email or website if any.  I have to resort to other means to find the person.  This is time consuming and not always productive.  If I'm on the road internet service is not always available, but a portable directory is.
      Give us back the old printed directory perhaps with these alternatives:  Publish every two years instead of every year.  I for one would be willing to pay for the information to offset PTG's cost of publication.  Another solution might be to publish it electronically so the information could be printed on our own printers or taken to an office supply to be made into bound form.  Could a chip/thumb drive be made available we could plug into our own computers?
      At the very least, consider giving PTG members a directory at PTG.org that is complete and user friendly.  I can assume that with Clint Sears gone this is not easy to do.  But if the powers that be in PTG want to give its members an genuine benefit that is immediately usable, please consider restoring the directory.  How do similar organizations accomplish this?  Sometimes decisions that seem right at the time, don't turn out that way in the end.  Anyone?

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Mike Kurta, RPT
N. Michigan chapter
------------------------------

That;s the problem when only a few Members want to have a print copy of the directory. I don't remember what the total cost was, but amount was for by all the Members. Let's say if was $20,000, for printing and mailing. If only 100 want one, that would make each directory cost $200. Too expensive for me, but maybe Mike and David would be willing to pay for it. 

I think Paul has the right answer. Download the on line directory and ask Office Max to print it and put it in a nice binder. Probably for about $25.

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Willem "Wim" Blees, RPT
St. Augustine, FL 32095
Tnrwim@aol.com
------------------------------

Original Message:
Sent: 08-01-2021 14:39
From: Larry Messerly
Subject: RESTORE THE MEMBER DIRECTORY

Would the people who want a print directory be willing to pay to have it printed and bound in their choice of binding at their own expense?

------------------------------
Larry Messerly, RPT
Bringing Harmony to Homes
www.lacrossepianotuning.com
ljmesserly@gmail.com
928-899-7292

Original Message:
Sent: 08-01-2021 13:52
From: David Skolnik
Subject: RESTORE THE MEMBER DIRECTORY

Michael -
Respectfully, we are in a forum that is includes Non-PTG members as well as members.  You are bringing up an issue that you raised, (rather successfully from the perspective of responses) in October of 2019, on PTG-L.  "Let's resurrect the printed member directory".  You, and other PTG members, all of whom have access to that community, should go back and read that discussion.  Then, take a moment to remember that we are just a few days away from our convention board and Council meeting, the latter of which takes place on Tuesday.  The current method for effectuating this change is to create an RFA - Request for Action - coming from your chapter.  This would be submitted to your RVP, to be be brought before the Board.  You can use your platform on PTG-L to discuss this further and try to garner more widespread support for such an RFA.  Wider discussion on Pianotech in not appropriate.  To this, keep in mind that one of the matters that will be discussed by the Board directly relates to a more disciplined active enforcement of list-appropriate discussions, so, whether or not that comes to pass, it behooves us to give it a little more thought on our own.
You might be surprised at what you can do if you understand the process.

------------------------------
David Skolnik [RPT]
Hastings-on-Hudson NY
917-589-2625

Original Message:
Sent: 08-01-2021 12:54
From: Roger Gable
Subject: RESTORE THE MEMBER DIRECTORY

Michael,
I'm with you on this. Call me old fashion, but I can more quickly find a person in the print version than going on-line to find what I need, especially when I'm not sure who I'm looking for. The supplier section of the directory is very helpful. I still use my old print directory to find supplier information.Having the ability to quickly view two open pages gives me the advantage over a "one-page" computer view and very difficult for me on a cell phone. Also, a nicely wire bound directory is easier to manipulate that pages of stapled copy paper. A tremendous advantage of a print catalog --directory or supply -- is the ability to view many items that may not be in the realm of a given search but provides information that could be useful in the future. A case in point. When I first entered into piano technology I read through the piano supply catalogs and discovered a vast wealth of information that I didn't know existed. I always have my students browse through OEM print catalogs. Knowing what's out there is extremely educating.

------------------------------
Roger Gable
Gable Piano
Everett WA
425-252-5000

Original Message:
Sent: 08-01-2021 03:29
From: Michael Kurta
Subject: RESTORE THE MEMBER DIRECTORY

Nearly every day I have a need to find information on a member of PTG.  The former printed directory was so handy and useful that I rue the day it was decided to cease publication.  Yes, I understand the reasoning:  Go Green, save trees, it was costly, etc. etc.
      But the alternative provided online is almost unusable.  I go to the online directory and the only thing I can find out is if the person I'm looking for is a member or not.  I cannot find his/her address or phone, email or website if any.  I have to resort to other means to find the person.  This is time consuming and not always productive.  If I'm on the road internet service is not always available, but a portable directory is.
      Give us back the old printed directory perhaps with these alternatives:  Publish every two years instead of every year.  I for one would be willing to pay for the information to offset PTG's cost of publication.  Another solution might be to publish it electronically so the information could be printed on our own printers or taken to an office supply to be made into bound form.  Could a chip/thumb drive be made available we could plug into our own computers?
      At the very least, consider giving PTG members a directory at PTG.org that is complete and user friendly.  I can assume that with Clint Sears gone this is not easy to do.  But if the powers that be in PTG want to give its members an genuine benefit that is immediately usable, please consider restoring the directory.  How do similar organizations accomplish this?  Sometimes decisions that seem right at the time, don't turn out that way in the end.  Anyone?

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Mike Kurta, RPT
N. Michigan chapter
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$200, cost of one college text book only good for one year.

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Larry Messerly, RPT
Bringing Harmony to Homes
www.lacrossepianotuning.com
ljmesserly@gmail.com
928-899-7292
------------------------------

Original Message:
Sent: 08-01-2021 15:16
From: Willem Blees
Subject: RESTORE THE MEMBER DIRECTORY

That;s the problem when only a few Members want to have a print copy of the directory. I don't remember what the total cost was, but amount was for by all the Members. Let's say if was $20,000, for printing and mailing. If only 100 want one, that would make each directory cost $200. Too expensive for me, but maybe Mike and David would be willing to pay for it.

I think Paul has the right answer. Download the on line directory and ask Office Max to print it and put it in a nice binder. Probably for about $25.

------------------------------
Willem "Wim" Blees, RPT
St. Augustine, FL 32095
Tnrwim@aol.com

Original Message:
Sent: 08-01-2021 14:39
From: Larry Messerly
Subject: RESTORE THE MEMBER DIRECTORY

Would the people who want a print directory be willing to pay to have it printed and bound in their choice of binding at their own expense?

------------------------------
Larry Messerly, RPT
Bringing Harmony to Homes
www.lacrossepianotuning.com
ljmesserly@gmail.com
928-899-7292

Original Message:
Sent: 08-01-2021 13:52
From: David Skolnik
Subject: RESTORE THE MEMBER DIRECTORY

Michael -
Respectfully, we are in a forum that is includes Non-PTG members as well as members.  You are bringing up an issue that you raised, (rather successfully from the perspective of responses) in October of 2019, on PTG-L.  "Let's resurrect the printed member directory".  You, and other PTG members, all of whom have access to that community, should go back and read that discussion.  Then, take a moment to remember that we are just a few days away from our convention board and Council meeting, the latter of which takes place on Tuesday.  The current method for effectuating this change is to create an RFA - Request for Action - coming from your chapter.  This would be submitted to your RVP, to be be brought before the Board.  You can use your platform on PTG-L to discuss this further and try to garner more widespread support for such an RFA.  Wider discussion on Pianotech in not appropriate.  To this, keep in mind that one of the matters that will be discussed by the Board directly relates to a more disciplined active enforcement of list-appropriate discussions, so, whether or not that comes to pass, it behooves us to give it a little more thought on our own.
You might be surprised at what you can do if you understand the process.

------------------------------
David Skolnik [RPT]
Hastings-on-Hudson NY
917-589-2625

Original Message:
Sent: 08-01-2021 12:54
From: Roger Gable
Subject: RESTORE THE MEMBER DIRECTORY

Michael,
I'm with you on this. Call me old fashion, but I can more quickly find a person in the print version than going on-line to find what I need, especially when I'm not sure who I'm looking for. The supplier section of the directory is very helpful. I still use my old print directory to find supplier information.Having the ability to quickly view two open pages gives me the advantage over a "one-page" computer view and very difficult for me on a cell phone. Also, a nicely wire bound directory is easier to manipulate that pages of stapled copy paper. A tremendous advantage of a print catalog --directory or supply -- is the ability to view many items that may not be in the realm of a given search but provides information that could be useful in the future. A case in point. When I first entered into piano technology I read through the piano supply catalogs and discovered a vast wealth of information that I didn't know existed. I always have my students browse through OEM print catalogs. Knowing what's out there is extremely educating.

------------------------------
Roger Gable
Gable Piano
Everett WA
425-252-5000

Original Message:
Sent: 08-01-2021 03:29
From: Michael Kurta
Subject: RESTORE THE MEMBER DIRECTORY

Nearly every day I have a need to find information on a member of PTG.  The former printed directory was so handy and useful that I rue the day it was decided to cease publication.  Yes, I understand the reasoning:  Go Green, save trees, it was costly, etc. etc.
      But the alternative provided online is almost unusable.  I go to the online directory and the only thing I can find out is if the person I'm looking for is a member or not.  I cannot find his/her address or phone, email or website if any.  I have to resort to other means to find the person.  This is time consuming and not always productive.  If I'm on the road internet service is not always available, but a portable directory is.
      Give us back the old printed directory perhaps with these alternatives:  Publish every two years instead of every year.  I for one would be willing to pay for the information to offset PTG's cost of publication.  Another solution might be to publish it electronically so the information could be printed on our own printers or taken to an office supply to be made into bound form.  Could a chip/thumb drive be made available we could plug into our own computers?
      At the very least, consider giving PTG members a directory at PTG.org that is complete and user friendly.  I can assume that with Clint Sears gone this is not easy to do.  But if the powers that be in PTG want to give its members an genuine benefit that is immediately usable, please consider restoring the directory.  How do similar organizations accomplish this?  Sometimes decisions that seem right at the time, don't turn out that way in the end.  Anyone?

------------------------------
Mike Kurta, RPT
N. Michigan chapter
------------------------------

I printed off a 160 page instruction manual from Staples a few months ago. To have it printed in black and white, and hole-punched, costs about $0.14 per page, or $23 with tax. Much cheaper than $200 a year.

------------------------------
Benjamin Sanchez, RPT
Piano Technician / Artisan
(256) 947-9999
www.professional-piano-services.com
------------------------------

Original Message:
Sent: 08-01-2021 20:38
From: Larry Messerly
Subject: RESTORE THE MEMBER DIRECTORY

$200, cost of one college text book only good for one year.

------------------------------
Larry Messerly, RPT
Bringing Harmony to Homes
www.lacrossepianotuning.com
ljmesserly@gmail.com
928-899-7292

Original Message:
Sent: 08-01-2021 15:16
From: Willem Blees
Subject: RESTORE THE MEMBER DIRECTORY

That;s the problem when only a few Members want to have a print copy of the directory. I don't remember what the total cost was, but amount was for by all the Members. Let's say if was $20,000, for printing and mailing. If only 100 want one, that would make each directory cost $200. Too expensive for me, but maybe Mike and David would be willing to pay for it.

I think Paul has the right answer. Download the on line directory and ask Office Max to print it and put it in a nice binder. Probably for about $25.

------------------------------
Willem "Wim" Blees, RPT
St. Augustine, FL 32095
Tnrwim@aol.com

Original Message:
Sent: 08-01-2021 14:39
From: Larry Messerly
Subject: RESTORE THE MEMBER DIRECTORY

Would the people who want a print directory be willing to pay to have it printed and bound in their choice of binding at their own expense?

------------------------------
Larry Messerly, RPT
Bringing Harmony to Homes
www.lacrossepianotuning.com
ljmesserly@gmail.com
928-899-7292

Original Message:
Sent: 08-01-2021 13:52
From: David Skolnik
Subject: RESTORE THE MEMBER DIRECTORY

Michael -
Respectfully, we are in a forum that is includes Non-PTG members as well as members.  You are bringing up an issue that you raised, (rather successfully from the perspective of responses) in October of 2019, on PTG-L.  "Let's resurrect the printed member directory".  You, and other PTG members, all of whom have access to that community, should go back and read that discussion.  Then, take a moment to remember that we are just a few days away from our convention board and Council meeting, the latter of which takes place on Tuesday.  The current method for effectuating this change is to create an RFA - Request for Action - coming from your chapter.  This would be submitted to your RVP, to be be brought before the Board.  You can use your platform on PTG-L to discuss this further and try to garner more widespread support for such an RFA.  Wider discussion on Pianotech in not appropriate.  To this, keep in mind that one of the matters that will be discussed by the Board directly relates to a more disciplined active enforcement of list-appropriate discussions, so, whether or not that comes to pass, it behooves us to give it a little more thought on our own.
You might be surprised at what you can do if you understand the process.

------------------------------
David Skolnik [RPT]
Hastings-on-Hudson NY
917-589-2625

Original Message:
Sent: 08-01-2021 12:54
From: Roger Gable
Subject: RESTORE THE MEMBER DIRECTORY

Michael,
I'm with you on this. Call me old fashion, but I can more quickly find a person in the print version than going on-line to find what I need, especially when I'm not sure who I'm looking for. The supplier section of the directory is very helpful. I still use my old print directory to find supplier information.Having the ability to quickly view two open pages gives me the advantage over a "one-page" computer view and very difficult for me on a cell phone. Also, a nicely wire bound directory is easier to manipulate that pages of stapled copy paper. A tremendous advantage of a print catalog --directory or supply -- is the ability to view many items that may not be in the realm of a given search but provides information that could be useful in the future. A case in point. When I first entered into piano technology I read through the piano supply catalogs and discovered a vast wealth of information that I didn't know existed. I always have my students browse through OEM print catalogs. Knowing what's out there is extremely educating.

------------------------------
Roger Gable
Gable Piano
Everett WA
425-252-5000

Original Message:
Sent: 08-01-2021 03:29
From: Michael Kurta
Subject: RESTORE THE MEMBER DIRECTORY

Nearly every day I have a need to find information on a member of PTG.  The former printed directory was so handy and useful that I rue the day it was decided to cease publication.  Yes, I understand the reasoning:  Go Green, save trees, it was costly, etc. etc.
      But the alternative provided online is almost unusable.  I go to the online directory and the only thing I can find out is if the person I'm looking for is a member or not.  I cannot find his/her address or phone, email or website if any.  I have to resort to other means to find the person.  This is time consuming and not always productive.  If I'm on the road internet service is not always available, but a portable directory is.
      Give us back the old printed directory perhaps with these alternatives:  Publish every two years instead of every year.  I for one would be willing to pay for the information to offset PTG's cost of publication.  Another solution might be to publish it electronically so the information could be printed on our own printers or taken to an office supply to be made into bound form.  Could a chip/thumb drive be made available we could plug into our own computers?
      At the very least, consider giving PTG members a directory at PTG.org that is complete and user friendly.  I can assume that with Clint Sears gone this is not easy to do.  But if the powers that be in PTG want to give its members an genuine benefit that is immediately usable, please consider restoring the directory.  How do similar organizations accomplish this?  Sometimes decisions that seem right at the time, don't turn out that way in the end.  Anyone?

------------------------------
Mike Kurta, RPT
N. Michigan chapter
------------------------------

Original Message:
Sent: 8/2/2021 12:09:00 AM
From: Benjamin Sanchez
Subject: RE: RESTORE THE MEMBER DIRECTORY

I printed off a 160 page instruction manual from Staples a few months ago. To have it printed in black and white, and hole-punched, costs about $0.14 per page, or $23 with tax. Much cheaper than $200 a year.

------------------------------
Benjamin Sanchez, RPT
Piano Technician / Artisan
(256) 947-9999
www.professional-piano-services.com
------------------------------

Original Message:
Sent: 08-01-2021 20:38
From: Larry Messerly
Subject: RESTORE THE MEMBER DIRECTORY

$200, cost of one college text book only good for one year.

------------------------------
Larry Messerly, RPT
Bringing Harmony to Homes
www.lacrossepianotuning.com
ljmesserly@gmail.com
928-899-7292

Original Message:
Sent: 08-01-2021 15:16
From: Willem Blees
Subject: RESTORE THE MEMBER DIRECTORY

That;s the problem when only a few Members want to have a print copy of the directory. I don't remember what the total cost was, but amount was for by all the Members. Let's say if was $20,000, for printing and mailing. If only 100 want one, that would make each directory cost $200. Too expensive for me, but maybe Mike and David would be willing to pay for it.

I think Paul has the right answer. Download the on line directory and ask Office Max to print it and put it in a nice binder. Probably for about $25.

------------------------------
Willem "Wim" Blees, RPT
St. Augustine, FL 32095
Tnrwim@aol.com

Original Message:
Sent: 08-01-2021 14:39
From: Larry Messerly
Subject: RESTORE THE MEMBER DIRECTORY

Would the people who want a print directory be willing to pay to have it printed and bound in their choice of binding at their own expense?

------------------------------
Larry Messerly, RPT
Bringing Harmony to Homes
www.lacrossepianotuning.com
ljmesserly@gmail.com
928-899-7292

Original Message:
Sent: 08-01-2021 13:52
From: David Skolnik
Subject: RESTORE THE MEMBER DIRECTORY

Michael -
Respectfully, we are in a forum that is includes Non-PTG members as well as members.  You are bringing up an issue that you raised, (rather successfully from the perspective of responses) in October of 2019, on PTG-L.  "Let's resurrect the printed member directory".  You, and other PTG members, all of whom have access to that community, should go back and read that discussion.  Then, take a moment to remember that we are just a few days away from our convention board and Council meeting, the latter of which takes place on Tuesday.  The current method for effectuating this change is to create an RFA - Request for Action - coming from your chapter.  This would be submitted to your RVP, to be be brought before the Board.  You can use your platform on PTG-L to discuss this further and try to garner more widespread support for such an RFA.  Wider discussion on Pianotech in not appropriate.  To this, keep in mind that one of the matters that will be discussed by the Board directly relates to a more disciplined active enforcement of list-appropriate discussions, so, whether or not that comes to pass, it behooves us to give it a little more thought on our own.
You might be surprised at what you can do if you understand the process.

------------------------------
David Skolnik [RPT]
Hastings-on-Hudson NY
917-589-2625

Original Message:
Sent: 08-01-2021 12:54
From: Roger Gable
Subject: RESTORE THE MEMBER DIRECTORY

Michael,
I'm with you on this. Call me old fashion, but I can more quickly find a person in the print version than going on-line to find what I need, especially when I'm not sure who I'm looking for. The supplier section of the directory is very helpful. I still use my old print directory to find supplier information.Having the ability to quickly view two open pages gives me the advantage over a "one-page" computer view and very difficult for me on a cell phone. Also, a nicely wire bound directory is easier to manipulate that pages of stapled copy paper. A tremendous advantage of a print catalog --directory or supply -- is the ability to view many items that may not be in the realm of a given search but provides information that could be useful in the future. A case in point. When I first entered into piano technology I read through the piano supply catalogs and discovered a vast wealth of information that I didn't know existed. I always have my students browse through OEM print catalogs. Knowing what's out there is extremely educating.

------------------------------
Roger Gable
Gable Piano
Everett WA
425-252-5000

Original Message:
Sent: 08-01-2021 03:29
From: Michael Kurta
Subject: RESTORE THE MEMBER DIRECTORY

Nearly every day I have a need to find information on a member of PTG.  The former printed directory was so handy and useful that I rue the day it was decided to cease publication.  Yes, I understand the reasoning:  Go Green, save trees, it was costly, etc. etc.
      But the alternative provided online is almost unusable.  I go to the online directory and the only thing I can find out is if the person I'm looking for is a member or not.  I cannot find his/her address or phone, email or website if any.  I have to resort to other means to find the person.  This is time consuming and not always productive.  If I'm on the road internet service is not always available, but a portable directory is.
      Give us back the old printed directory perhaps with these alternatives:  Publish every two years instead of every year.  I for one would be willing to pay for the information to offset PTG's cost of publication.  Another solution might be to publish it electronically so the information could be printed on our own printers or taken to an office supply to be made into bound form.  Could a chip/thumb drive be made available we could plug into our own computers?
      At the very least, consider giving PTG members a directory at PTG.org that is complete and user friendly.  I can assume that with Clint Sears gone this is not easy to do.  But if the powers that be in PTG want to give its members an genuine benefit that is immediately usable, please consider restoring the directory.  How do similar organizations accomplish this?  Sometimes decisions that seem right at the time, don't turn out that way in the end.  Anyone?

------------------------------
Mike Kurta, RPT
N. Michigan chapter
------------------------------

Yeah, well, maybe go easy on that pie.  Yes, the truth is, the docment is there.  The Other truth is that it visually s*cks.  (That asterisk is in deference to the updated 'on-line ettiquette' policy that was just passed by the Board.)  Go compare the online presentation with whatever paper copy you might still have around.  It's visual vomit. 
But wait, there's more.  In the online presentation, there are 27-28 entries per page, vs. the paper book which has around 45, thus, to print out the alphabetized section is 124 pages, vs 89 in the paper version.  
And  yes, more:  The on-line list by chapter simply regroups the information by chapter, in the same vomitous visual.  Even the identifying title of the doc doesn't reveal which one you're looking at: Piano Technicians Guild Member Listing - Alpha  (Updated 1/6/2020) heads both docs.

So, Larry, Wim - I'd rather not hear speculation about how many people might want a paper copy.  You don't know.  Nor speculation about costs.  What I would like to know is what the cost would be to take this data and turn it into a graphic-friendly format, that I would be willing to download and print.  Do we currently have internal staff/committee members capable of the work?  Does it need to be out-sourced?  This would be meaningful information.  If it takes an RFA, I'm sure we can find someone to pull that together.

Ultimately, it's a small, 'quality of life', issue, which doesn't mean it should be overlooked.  

And finally, again, this is the WRONG community in which to be having this conversation.  Clearly.   The on-line policy I referenced above might more aggressively steer the appropriateness off discussions, likely to some of our dismay, but it behooves those of us who care to take that responsibility for ourselves.

------------------------------
David Skolnik [RPT]
Hastings-on-Hudson NY
917-589-2625
------------------------------

Original Message:
Sent: 08-02-2021 03:23
From: Michael Kurta
Subject: RESTORE THE MEMBER DIRECTORY

               Thanks to all who responded to my request to restore the printed member directory especially Paul McCloud.  It looks as though the information was there all the time, I just didn't know how to access it.  I'm now eating a large portion of humble pie.  Thank you....

 

               Mike Kurta

Original Message:
Sent: 8/2/2021 12:09:00 AM
From: Benjamin Sanchez
Subject: RE: RESTORE THE MEMBER DIRECTORY

I printed off a 160 page instruction manual from Staples a few months ago. To have it printed in black and white, and hole-punched, costs about $0.14 per page, or $23 with tax. Much cheaper than $200 a year.

------------------------------
Benjamin Sanchez, RPT
Piano Technician / Artisan
(256) 947-9999
www.professional-piano-services.com

Original Message:
Sent: 08-01-2021 20:38
From: Larry Messerly
Subject: RESTORE THE MEMBER DIRECTORY

$200, cost of one college text book only good for one year.

------------------------------
Larry Messerly, RPT
Bringing Harmony to Homes
www.lacrossepianotuning.com
ljmesserly@gmail.com
928-899-7292

Original Message:
Sent: 08-01-2021 15:16
From: Willem Blees
Subject: RESTORE THE MEMBER DIRECTORY

That;s the problem when only a few Members want to have a print copy of the directory. I don't remember what the total cost was, but amount was for by all the Members. Let's say if was $20,000, for printing and mailing. If only 100 want one, that would make each directory cost $200. Too expensive for me, but maybe Mike and David would be willing to pay for it.

I think Paul has the right answer. Download the on line directory and ask Office Max to print it and put it in a nice binder. Probably for about $25.

------------------------------
Willem "Wim" Blees, RPT
St. Augustine, FL 32095
Tnrwim@aol.com

Original Message:
Sent: 08-01-2021 14:39
From: Larry Messerly
Subject: RESTORE THE MEMBER DIRECTORY

Would the people who want a print directory be willing to pay to have it printed and bound in their choice of binding at their own expense?

------------------------------
Larry Messerly, RPT
Bringing Harmony to Homes
www.lacrossepianotuning.com
ljmesserly@gmail.com
928-899-7292

Original Message:
Sent: 08-01-2021 13:52
From: David Skolnik
Subject: RESTORE THE MEMBER DIRECTORY

Michael -
Respectfully, we are in a forum that is includes Non-PTG members as well as members.  You are bringing up an issue that you raised, (rather successfully from the perspective of responses) in October of 2019, on PTG-L.  "Let's resurrect the printed member directory".  You, and other PTG members, all of whom have access to that community, should go back and read that discussion.  Then, take a moment to remember that we are just a few days away from our convention board and Council meeting, the latter of which takes place on Tuesday.  The current method for effectuating this change is to create an RFA - Request for Action - coming from your chapter.  This would be submitted to your RVP, to be be brought before the Board.  You can use your platform on PTG-L to discuss this further and try to garner more widespread support for such an RFA.  Wider discussion on Pianotech in not appropriate.  To this, keep in mind that one of the matters that will be discussed by the Board directly relates to a more disciplined active enforcement of list-appropriate discussions, so, whether or not that comes to pass, it behooves us to give it a little more thought on our own.
You might be surprised at what you can do if you understand the process.

------------------------------
David Skolnik [RPT]
Hastings-on-Hudson NY
917-589-2625

Original Message:
Sent: 08-01-2021 12:54
From: Roger Gable
Subject: RESTORE THE MEMBER DIRECTORY

Michael,
I'm with you on this. Call me old fashion, but I can more quickly find a person in the print version than going on-line to find what I need, especially when I'm not sure who I'm looking for. The supplier section of the directory is very helpful. I still use my old print directory to find supplier information.Having the ability to quickly view two open pages gives me the advantage over a "one-page" computer view and very difficult for me on a cell phone. Also, a nicely wire bound directory is easier to manipulate that pages of stapled copy paper. A tremendous advantage of a print catalog --directory or supply -- is the ability to view many items that may not be in the realm of a given search but provides information that could be useful in the future. A case in point. When I first entered into piano technology I read through the piano supply catalogs and discovered a vast wealth of information that I didn't know existed. I always have my students browse through OEM print catalogs. Knowing what's out there is extremely educating.

------------------------------
Roger Gable
Gable Piano
Everett WA
425-252-5000

Original Message:
Sent: 08-01-2021 03:29
From: Michael Kurta
Subject: RESTORE THE MEMBER DIRECTORY

Nearly every day I have a need to find information on a member of PTG.  The former printed directory was so handy and useful that I rue the day it was decided to cease publication.  Yes, I understand the reasoning:  Go Green, save trees, it was costly, etc. etc.
      But the alternative provided online is almost unusable.  I go to the online directory and the only thing I can find out is if the person I'm looking for is a member or not.  I cannot find his/her address or phone, email or website if any.  I have to resort to other means to find the person.  This is time consuming and not always productive.  If I'm on the road internet service is not always available, but a portable directory is.
      Give us back the old printed directory perhaps with these alternatives:  Publish every two years instead of every year.  I for one would be willing to pay for the information to offset PTG's cost of publication.  Another solution might be to publish it electronically so the information could be printed on our own printers or taken to an office supply to be made into bound form.  Could a chip/thumb drive be made available we could plug into our own computers?
      At the very least, consider giving PTG members a directory at PTG.org that is complete and user friendly.  I can assume that with Clint Sears gone this is not easy to do.  But if the powers that be in PTG want to give its members an genuine benefit that is immediately usable, please consider restoring the directory.  How do similar organizations accomplish this?  Sometimes decisions that seem right at the time, don't turn out that way in the end.  Anyone?

------------------------------
Mike Kurta, RPT
N. Michigan chapter
------------------------------

David,
There is nothing WRONG having a grassroots discussion on this forum about something related to technicians ease of doing business. Certainly, if enough technicians want to move this idea forward, then switching to a more appropriate forum can be beneficial.
Roger

------------------------------
Roger Gable
Gable Piano
Everett WA
425-252-5000
------------------------------

Original Message:
Sent: 08-02-2021 11:43
From: David Skolnik
Subject: RESTORE THE MEMBER DIRECTORY

Yeah, well, maybe go easy on that pie.  Yes, the truth is, the docment is there.  The Other truth is that it visually s*cks.  (That asterisk is in deference to the updated 'on-line ettiquette' policy that was just passed by the Board.)  Go compare the online presentation with whatever paper copy you might still have around.  It's visual vomit.
But wait, there's more.  In the online presentation, there are 27-28 entries per page, vs. the paper book which has around 45, thus, to print out the alphabetized section is 124 pages, vs 89 in the paper version.
And  yes, more:  The on-line list by chapter simply regroups the information by chapter, in the same vomitous visual.  Even the identifying title of the doc doesn't reveal which one you're looking at: Piano Technicians Guild Member Listing - Alpha  (Updated 1/6/2020) heads both docs.

So, Larry, Wim - I'd rather not hear speculation about how many people might want a paper copy.  You don't know.  Nor speculation about costs.  What I would like to know is what the cost would be to take this data and turn it into a graphic-friendly format, that I would be willing to download and print.  Do we currently have internal staff/committee members capable of the work?  Does it need to be out-sourced?  This would be meaningful information.  If it takes an RFA, I'm sure we can find someone to pull that together.

Ultimately, it's a small, 'quality of life', issue, which doesn't mean it should be overlooked.

And finally, again, this is the WRONG community in which to be having this conversation.  Clearly.   The on-line policy I referenced above might more aggressively steer the appropriateness off discussions, likely to some of our dismay, but it behooves those of us who care to take that responsibility for ourselves.

------------------------------
David Skolnik [RPT]
Hastings-on-Hudson NY
917-589-2625

Original Message:
Sent: 08-02-2021 03:23
From: Michael Kurta
Subject: RESTORE THE MEMBER DIRECTORY

               Thanks to all who responded to my request to restore the printed member directory especially Paul McCloud.  It looks as though the information was there all the time, I just didn't know how to access it.  I'm now eating a large portion of humble pie.  Thank you....

 

               Mike Kurta

Original Message:
Sent: 8/2/2021 12:09:00 AM
From: Benjamin Sanchez
Subject: RE: RESTORE THE MEMBER DIRECTORY

I printed off a 160 page instruction manual from Staples a few months ago. To have it printed in black and white, and hole-punched, costs about $0.14 per page, or $23 with tax. Much cheaper than $200 a year.

------------------------------
Benjamin Sanchez, RPT
Piano Technician / Artisan
(256) 947-9999
www.professional-piano-services.com

Original Message:
Sent: 08-01-2021 20:38
From: Larry Messerly
Subject: RESTORE THE MEMBER DIRECTORY

$200, cost of one college text book only good for one year.

------------------------------
Larry Messerly, RPT
Bringing Harmony to Homes
www.lacrossepianotuning.com
ljmesserly@gmail.com
928-899-7292

Original Message:
Sent: 08-01-2021 15:16
From: Willem Blees
Subject: RESTORE THE MEMBER DIRECTORY

That;s the problem when only a few Members want to have a print copy of the directory. I don't remember what the total cost was, but amount was for by all the Members. Let's say if was $20,000, for printing and mailing. If only 100 want one, that would make each directory cost $200. Too expensive for me, but maybe Mike and David would be willing to pay for it.

I think Paul has the right answer. Download the on line directory and ask Office Max to print it and put it in a nice binder. Probably for about $25.

------------------------------
Willem "Wim" Blees, RPT
St. Augustine, FL 32095
Tnrwim@aol.com

Original Message:
Sent: 08-01-2021 14:39
From: Larry Messerly
Subject: RESTORE THE MEMBER DIRECTORY

Would the people who want a print directory be willing to pay to have it printed and bound in their choice of binding at their own expense?

------------------------------
Larry Messerly, RPT
Bringing Harmony to Homes
www.lacrossepianotuning.com
ljmesserly@gmail.com
928-899-7292

Original Message:
Sent: 08-01-2021 13:52
From: David Skolnik
Subject: RESTORE THE MEMBER DIRECTORY

Michael -
Respectfully, we are in a forum that is includes Non-PTG members as well as members.  You are bringing up an issue that you raised, (rather successfully from the perspective of responses) in October of 2019, on PTG-L.  "Let's resurrect the printed member directory".  You, and other PTG members, all of whom have access to that community, should go back and read that discussion.  Then, take a moment to remember that we are just a few days away from our convention board and Council meeting, the latter of which takes place on Tuesday.  The current method for effectuating this change is to create an RFA - Request for Action - coming from your chapter.  This would be submitted to your RVP, to be be brought before the Board.  You can use your platform on PTG-L to discuss this further and try to garner more widespread support for such an RFA.  Wider discussion on Pianotech in not appropriate.  To this, keep in mind that one of the matters that will be discussed by the Board directly relates to a more disciplined active enforcement of list-appropriate discussions, so, whether or not that comes to pass, it behooves us to give it a little more thought on our own.
You might be surprised at what you can do if you understand the process.

------------------------------
David Skolnik [RPT]
Hastings-on-Hudson NY
917-589-2625

Original Message:
Sent: 08-01-2021 12:54
From: Roger Gable
Subject: RESTORE THE MEMBER DIRECTORY

Michael,
I'm with you on this. Call me old fashion, but I can more quickly find a person in the print version than going on-line to find what I need, especially when I'm not sure who I'm looking for. The supplier section of the directory is very helpful. I still use my old print directory to find supplier information.Having the ability to quickly view two open pages gives me the advantage over a "one-page" computer view and very difficult for me on a cell phone. Also, a nicely wire bound directory is easier to manipulate that pages of stapled copy paper. A tremendous advantage of a print catalog --directory or supply -- is the ability to view many items that may not be in the realm of a given search but provides information that could be useful in the future. A case in point. When I first entered into piano technology I read through the piano supply catalogs and discovered a vast wealth of information that I didn't know existed. I always have my students browse through OEM print catalogs. Knowing what's out there is extremely educating.

------------------------------
Roger Gable
Gable Piano
Everett WA
425-252-5000

Original Message:
Sent: 08-01-2021 03:29
From: Michael Kurta
Subject: RESTORE THE MEMBER DIRECTORY

Nearly every day I have a need to find information on a member of PTG.  The former printed directory was so handy and useful that I rue the day it was decided to cease publication.  Yes, I understand the reasoning:  Go Green, save trees, it was costly, etc. etc.
      But the alternative provided online is almost unusable.  I go to the online directory and the only thing I can find out is if the person I'm looking for is a member or not.  I cannot find his/her address or phone, email or website if any.  I have to resort to other means to find the person.  This is time consuming and not always productive.  If I'm on the road internet service is not always available, but a portable directory is.
      Give us back the old printed directory perhaps with these alternatives:  Publish every two years instead of every year.  I for one would be willing to pay for the information to offset PTG's cost of publication.  Another solution might be to publish it electronically so the information could be printed on our own printers or taken to an office supply to be made into bound form.  Could a chip/thumb drive be made available we could plug into our own computers?
      At the very least, consider giving PTG members a directory at PTG.org that is complete and user friendly.  I can assume that with Clint Sears gone this is not easy to do.  But if the powers that be in PTG want to give its members an genuine benefit that is immediately usable, please consider restoring the directory.  How do similar organizations accomplish this?  Sometimes decisions that seem right at the time, don't turn out that way in the end.  Anyone?

------------------------------
Mike Kurta, RPT
N. Michigan chapter
------------------------------

Roger -
In general, I could buy that.  If we were speaking about the pros and cons of Cybertuner vs. Accutuner, or Gazelle vs. some other business aid, I'd say, no question (except we already have separate communities that would puport to cover those topics), I'd say, no sweat.  This discussion is specific to actions being proposed by the governance of the organization, and, as such, does not really belong here.  If you have been paying attention, (but who can), a discussion on PTG-L does not inherently move this idea forward, any more than what's being had here.  The 'next steps' are outside of the scope of any of these discussions, but that doesn't alter the issue of the appropriate venue.  
My point is that the smattering of us who have had this exchange are not 'newbies' and should be willing to do our part in either reinforcing our structures of communication, or changing them.  Let's not be sloppy.

------------------------------
David Skolnik [RPT]
Hastings-on-Hudson NY
917-589-2625
------------------------------

Original Message:
Sent: 08-02-2021 12:09
From: Roger Gable
Subject: RESTORE THE MEMBER DIRECTORY

David,
There is nothing WRONG having a grassroots discussion on this forum about something related to technicians ease of doing business. Certainly, if enough technicians want to move this idea forward, then switching to a more appropriate forum can be beneficial.
Roger

------------------------------
Roger Gable
Gable Piano
Everett WA
425-252-5000

Original Message:
Sent: 08-02-2021 11:43
From: David Skolnik
Subject: RESTORE THE MEMBER DIRECTORY

Yeah, well, maybe go easy on that pie.  Yes, the truth is, the docment is there.  The Other truth is that it visually s*cks.  (That asterisk is in deference to the updated 'on-line ettiquette' policy that was just passed by the Board.)  Go compare the online presentation with whatever paper copy you might still have around.  It's visual vomit.
But wait, there's more.  In the online presentation, there are 27-28 entries per page, vs. the paper book which has around 45, thus, to print out the alphabetized section is 124 pages, vs 89 in the paper version.
And  yes, more:  The on-line list by chapter simply regroups the information by chapter, in the same vomitous visual.  Even the identifying title of the doc doesn't reveal which one you're looking at: Piano Technicians Guild Member Listing - Alpha  (Updated 1/6/2020) heads both docs.

So, Larry, Wim - I'd rather not hear speculation about how many people might want a paper copy.  You don't know.  Nor speculation about costs.  What I would like to know is what the cost would be to take this data and turn it into a graphic-friendly format, that I would be willing to download and print.  Do we currently have internal staff/committee members capable of the work?  Does it need to be out-sourced?  This would be meaningful information.  If it takes an RFA, I'm sure we can find someone to pull that together.

Ultimately, it's a small, 'quality of life', issue, which doesn't mean it should be overlooked.

And finally, again, this is the WRONG community in which to be having this conversation.  Clearly.   The on-line policy I referenced above might more aggressively steer the appropriateness off discussions, likely to some of our dismay, but it behooves those of us who care to take that responsibility for ourselves.

------------------------------
David Skolnik [RPT]
Hastings-on-Hudson NY
917-589-2625

Original Message:
Sent: 08-02-2021 03:23
From: Michael Kurta
Subject: RESTORE THE MEMBER DIRECTORY

               Thanks to all who responded to my request to restore the printed member directory especially Paul McCloud.  It looks as though the information was there all the time, I just didn't know how to access it.  I'm now eating a large portion of humble pie.  Thank you....

 

               Mike Kurta

Original Message:
Sent: 8/2/2021 12:09:00 AM
From: Benjamin Sanchez
Subject: RE: RESTORE THE MEMBER DIRECTORY

I printed off a 160 page instruction manual from Staples a few months ago. To have it printed in black and white, and hole-punched, costs about $0.14 per page, or $23 with tax. Much cheaper than $200 a year.

------------------------------
Benjamin Sanchez, RPT
Piano Technician / Artisan
(256) 947-9999
www.professional-piano-services.com

Original Message:
Sent: 08-01-2021 20:38
From: Larry Messerly
Subject: RESTORE THE MEMBER DIRECTORY

$200, cost of one college text book only good for one year.

------------------------------
Larry Messerly, RPT
Bringing Harmony to Homes
www.lacrossepianotuning.com
ljmesserly@gmail.com
928-899-7292

Original Message:
Sent: 08-01-2021 15:16
From: Willem Blees
Subject: RESTORE THE MEMBER DIRECTORY

That;s the problem when only a few Members want to have a print copy of the directory. I don't remember what the total cost was, but amount was for by all the Members. Let's say if was $20,000, for printing and mailing. If only 100 want one, that would make each directory cost $200. Too expensive for me, but maybe Mike and David would be willing to pay for it.

I think Paul has the right answer. Download the on line directory and ask Office Max to print it and put it in a nice binder. Probably for about $25.

------------------------------
Willem "Wim" Blees, RPT
St. Augustine, FL 32095
Tnrwim@aol.com

Original Message:
Sent: 08-01-2021 14:39
From: Larry Messerly
Subject: RESTORE THE MEMBER DIRECTORY

Would the people who want a print directory be willing to pay to have it printed and bound in their choice of binding at their own expense?

------------------------------
Larry Messerly, RPT
Bringing Harmony to Homes
www.lacrossepianotuning.com
ljmesserly@gmail.com
928-899-7292

Original Message:
Sent: 08-01-2021 13:52
From: David Skolnik
Subject: RESTORE THE MEMBER DIRECTORY

Michael -
Respectfully, we are in a forum that is includes Non-PTG members as well as members.  You are bringing up an issue that you raised, (rather successfully from the perspective of responses) in October of 2019, on PTG-L.  "Let's resurrect the printed member directory".  You, and other PTG members, all of whom have access to that community, should go back and read that discussion.  Then, take a moment to remember that we are just a few days away from our convention board and Council meeting, the latter of which takes place on Tuesday.  The current method for effectuating this change is to create an RFA - Request for Action - coming from your chapter.  This would be submitted to your RVP, to be be brought before the Board.  You can use your platform on PTG-L to discuss this further and try to garner more widespread support for such an RFA.  Wider discussion on Pianotech in not appropriate.  To this, keep in mind that one of the matters that will be discussed by the Board directly relates to a more disciplined active enforcement of list-appropriate discussions, so, whether or not that comes to pass, it behooves us to give it a little more thought on our own.
You might be surprised at what you can do if you understand the process.

------------------------------
David Skolnik [RPT]
Hastings-on-Hudson NY
917-589-2625

Original Message:
Sent: 08-01-2021 12:54
From: Roger Gable
Subject: RESTORE THE MEMBER DIRECTORY

Michael,
I'm with you on this. Call me old fashion, but I can more quickly find a person in the print version than going on-line to find what I need, especially when I'm not sure who I'm looking for. The supplier section of the directory is very helpful. I still use my old print directory to find supplier information.Having the ability to quickly view two open pages gives me the advantage over a "one-page" computer view and very difficult for me on a cell phone. Also, a nicely wire bound directory is easier to manipulate that pages of stapled copy paper. A tremendous advantage of a print catalog --directory or supply -- is the ability to view many items that may not be in the realm of a given search but provides information that could be useful in the future. A case in point. When I first entered into piano technology I read through the piano supply catalogs and discovered a vast wealth of information that I didn't know existed. I always have my students browse through OEM print catalogs. Knowing what's out there is extremely educating.

------------------------------
Roger Gable
Gable Piano
Everett WA
425-252-5000

Original Message:
Sent: 08-01-2021 03:29
From: Michael Kurta
Subject: RESTORE THE MEMBER DIRECTORY

Nearly every day I have a need to find information on a member of PTG.  The former printed directory was so handy and useful that I rue the day it was decided to cease publication.  Yes, I understand the reasoning:  Go Green, save trees, it was costly, etc. etc.
      But the alternative provided online is almost unusable.  I go to the online directory and the only thing I can find out is if the person I'm looking for is a member or not.  I cannot find his/her address or phone, email or website if any.  I have to resort to other means to find the person.  This is time consuming and not always productive.  If I'm on the road internet service is not always available, but a portable directory is.
      Give us back the old printed directory perhaps with these alternatives:  Publish every two years instead of every year.  I for one would be willing to pay for the information to offset PTG's cost of publication.  Another solution might be to publish it electronically so the information could be printed on our own printers or taken to an office supply to be made into bound form.  Could a chip/thumb drive be made available we could plug into our own computers?
      At the very least, consider giving PTG members a directory at PTG.org that is complete and user friendly.  I can assume that with Clint Sears gone this is not easy to do.  But if the powers that be in PTG want to give its members an genuine benefit that is immediately usable, please consider restoring the directory.  How do similar organizations accomplish this?  Sometimes decisions that seem right at the time, don't turn out that way in the end.  Anyone?

------------------------------
Mike Kurta, RPT
N. Michigan chapter
------------------------------

> The Other truth is that it visually s*cks.  (That asterisk is in deference to the updated 'on-line ettiquette' policy that was just passed by the Board.) 

I'm sorry David. Your use of an asterisk, (*), is against policy in that this is a forum that only allows hashtags, (#), and underscores, (_), to disguise ​words some might be afraid of in print but that would normally be acceptable when said out loud.

------------------------------
Geoff Sykes, RPT
Los Angeles CA
------------------------------

Original Message:
Sent: 08-02-2021 11:43
From: David Skolnik
Subject: RESTORE THE MEMBER DIRECTORY

Yeah, well, maybe go easy on that pie.  Yes, the truth is, the docment is there.  The Other truth is that it visually s*cks.  (That asterisk is in deference to the updated 'on-line ettiquette' policy that was just passed by the Board.)  Go compare the online presentation with whatever paper copy you might still have around.  It's visual vomit.
But wait, there's more.  In the online presentation, there are 27-28 entries per page, vs. the paper book which has around 45, thus, to print out the alphabetized section is 124 pages, vs 89 in the paper version.
And  yes, more:  The on-line list by chapter simply regroups the information by chapter, in the same vomitous visual.  Even the identifying title of the doc doesn't reveal which one you're looking at: Piano Technicians Guild Member Listing - Alpha  (Updated 1/6/2020) heads both docs.

So, Larry, Wim - I'd rather not hear speculation about how many people might want a paper copy.  You don't know.  Nor speculation about costs.  What I would like to know is what the cost would be to take this data and turn it into a graphic-friendly format, that I would be willing to download and print.  Do we currently have internal staff/committee members capable of the work?  Does it need to be out-sourced?  This would be meaningful information.  If it takes an RFA, I'm sure we can find someone to pull that together.

Ultimately, it's a small, 'quality of life', issue, which doesn't mean it should be overlooked.

And finally, again, this is the WRONG community in which to be having this conversation.  Clearly.   The on-line policy I referenced above might more aggressively steer the appropriateness off discussions, likely to some of our dismay, but it behooves those of us who care to take that responsibility for ourselves.

------------------------------
David Skolnik [RPT]
Hastings-on-Hudson NY
917-589-2625

Original Message:
Sent: 08-02-2021 03:23
From: Michael Kurta
Subject: RESTORE THE MEMBER DIRECTORY

               Thanks to all who responded to my request to restore the printed member directory especially Paul McCloud.  It looks as though the information was there all the time, I just didn't know how to access it.  I'm now eating a large portion of humble pie.  Thank you....

 

               Mike Kurta

Original Message:
Sent: 8/2/2021 12:09:00 AM
From: Benjamin Sanchez
Subject: RE: RESTORE THE MEMBER DIRECTORY

I printed off a 160 page instruction manual from Staples a few months ago. To have it printed in black and white, and hole-punched, costs about $0.14 per page, or $23 with tax. Much cheaper than $200 a year.

------------------------------
Benjamin Sanchez, RPT
Piano Technician / Artisan
(256) 947-9999
www.professional-piano-services.com

Original Message:
Sent: 08-01-2021 20:38
From: Larry Messerly
Subject: RESTORE THE MEMBER DIRECTORY

$200, cost of one college text book only good for one year.

------------------------------
Larry Messerly, RPT
Bringing Harmony to Homes
www.lacrossepianotuning.com
ljmesserly@gmail.com
928-899-7292

Original Message:
Sent: 08-01-2021 15:16
From: Willem Blees
Subject: RESTORE THE MEMBER DIRECTORY

That;s the problem when only a few Members want to have a print copy of the directory. I don't remember what the total cost was, but amount was for by all the Members. Let's say if was $20,000, for printing and mailing. If only 100 want one, that would make each directory cost $200. Too expensive for me, but maybe Mike and David would be willing to pay for it.

I think Paul has the right answer. Download the on line directory and ask Office Max to print it and put it in a nice binder. Probably for about $25.

------------------------------
Willem "Wim" Blees, RPT
St. Augustine, FL 32095
Tnrwim@aol.com

Original Message:
Sent: 08-01-2021 14:39
From: Larry Messerly
Subject: RESTORE THE MEMBER DIRECTORY

Would the people who want a print directory be willing to pay to have it printed and bound in their choice of binding at their own expense?

------------------------------
Larry Messerly, RPT
Bringing Harmony to Homes
www.lacrossepianotuning.com
ljmesserly@gmail.com
928-899-7292

Original Message:
Sent: 08-01-2021 13:52
From: David Skolnik
Subject: RESTORE THE MEMBER DIRECTORY

Michael -
Respectfully, we are in a forum that is includes Non-PTG members as well as members.  You are bringing up an issue that you raised, (rather successfully from the perspective of responses) in October of 2019, on PTG-L.  "Let's resurrect the printed member directory".  You, and other PTG members, all of whom have access to that community, should go back and read that discussion.  Then, take a moment to remember that we are just a few days away from our convention board and Council meeting, the latter of which takes place on Tuesday.  The current method for effectuating this change is to create an RFA - Request for Action - coming from your chapter.  This would be submitted to your RVP, to be be brought before the Board.  You can use your platform on PTG-L to discuss this further and try to garner more widespread support for such an RFA.  Wider discussion on Pianotech in not appropriate.  To this, keep in mind that one of the matters that will be discussed by the Board directly relates to a more disciplined active enforcement of list-appropriate discussions, so, whether or not that comes to pass, it behooves us to give it a little more thought on our own.
You might be surprised at what you can do if you understand the process.

------------------------------
David Skolnik [RPT]
Hastings-on-Hudson NY
917-589-2625

Original Message:
Sent: 08-01-2021 12:54
From: Roger Gable
Subject: RESTORE THE MEMBER DIRECTORY

Michael,
I'm with you on this. Call me old fashion, but I can more quickly find a person in the print version than going on-line to find what I need, especially when I'm not sure who I'm looking for. The supplier section of the directory is very helpful. I still use my old print directory to find supplier information.Having the ability to quickly view two open pages gives me the advantage over a "one-page" computer view and very difficult for me on a cell phone. Also, a nicely wire bound directory is easier to manipulate that pages of stapled copy paper. A tremendous advantage of a print catalog --directory or supply -- is the ability to view many items that may not be in the realm of a given search but provides information that could be useful in the future. A case in point. When I first entered into piano technology I read through the piano supply catalogs and discovered a vast wealth of information that I didn't know existed. I always have my students browse through OEM print catalogs. Knowing what's out there is extremely educating.

------------------------------
Roger Gable
Gable Piano
Everett WA
425-252-5000

Original Message:
Sent: 08-01-2021 03:29
From: Michael Kurta
Subject: RESTORE THE MEMBER DIRECTORY

Nearly every day I have a need to find information on a member of PTG.  The former printed directory was so handy and useful that I rue the day it was decided to cease publication.  Yes, I understand the reasoning:  Go Green, save trees, it was costly, etc. etc.
      But the alternative provided online is almost unusable.  I go to the online directory and the only thing I can find out is if the person I'm looking for is a member or not.  I cannot find his/her address or phone, email or website if any.  I have to resort to other means to find the person.  This is time consuming and not always productive.  If I'm on the road internet service is not always available, but a portable directory is.
      Give us back the old printed directory perhaps with these alternatives:  Publish every two years instead of every year.  I for one would be willing to pay for the information to offset PTG's cost of publication.  Another solution might be to publish it electronically so the information could be printed on our own printers or taken to an office supply to be made into bound form.  Could a chip/thumb drive be made available we could plug into our own computers?
      At the very least, consider giving PTG members a directory at PTG.org that is complete and user friendly.  I can assume that with Clint Sears gone this is not easy to do.  But if the powers that be in PTG want to give its members an genuine benefit that is immediately usable, please consider restoring the directory.  How do similar organizations accomplish this?  Sometimes decisions that seem right at the time, don't turn out that way in the end.  Anyone?

------------------------------
Mike Kurta, RPT
N. Michigan chapter
------------------------------

Original Message:
Sent: 8/2/2021 12:09:00 AM
From: Benjamin Sanchez
Subject: RE: RESTORE THE MEMBER DIRECTORY

I printed off a 160 page instruction manual from Staples a few months ago. To have it printed in black and white, and hole-punched, costs about $0.14 per page, or $23 with tax. Much cheaper than $200 a year.

------------------------------
Benjamin Sanchez, RPT
Piano Technician / Artisan
(256) 947-9999
www.professional-piano-services.com
------------------------------

Original Message:
Sent: 08-01-2021 20:38
From: Larry Messerly
Subject: RESTORE THE MEMBER DIRECTORY

$200, cost of one college text book only good for one year.

------------------------------
Larry Messerly, RPT
Bringing Harmony to Homes
www.lacrossepianotuning.com
ljmesserly@gmail.com
928-899-7292

Original Message:
Sent: 08-01-2021 15:16
From: Willem Blees
Subject: RESTORE THE MEMBER DIRECTORY

That;s the problem when only a few Members want to have a print copy of the directory. I don't remember what the total cost was, but amount was for by all the Members. Let's say if was $20,000, for printing and mailing. If only 100 want one, that would make each directory cost $200. Too expensive for me, but maybe Mike and David would be willing to pay for it.

I think Paul has the right answer. Download the on line directory and ask Office Max to print it and put it in a nice binder. Probably for about $25.

------------------------------
Willem "Wim" Blees, RPT
St. Augustine, FL 32095
Tnrwim@aol.com

Original Message:
Sent: 08-01-2021 14:39
From: Larry Messerly
Subject: RESTORE THE MEMBER DIRECTORY

Would the people who want a print directory be willing to pay to have it printed and bound in their choice of binding at their own expense?

------------------------------
Larry Messerly, RPT
Bringing Harmony to Homes
www.lacrossepianotuning.com
ljmesserly@gmail.com
928-899-7292

Original Message:
Sent: 08-01-2021 13:52
From: David Skolnik
Subject: RESTORE THE MEMBER DIRECTORY

Michael -
Respectfully, we are in a forum that is includes Non-PTG members as well as members.  You are bringing up an issue that you raised, (rather successfully from the perspective of responses) in October of 2019, on PTG-L.  "Let's resurrect the printed member directory".  You, and other PTG members, all of whom have access to that community, should go back and read that discussion.  Then, take a moment to remember that we are just a few days away from our convention board and Council meeting, the latter of which takes place on Tuesday.  The current method for effectuating this change is to create an RFA - Request for Action - coming from your chapter.  This would be submitted to your RVP, to be be brought before the Board.  You can use your platform on PTG-L to discuss this further and try to garner more widespread support for such an RFA.  Wider discussion on Pianotech in not appropriate.  To this, keep in mind that one of the matters that will be discussed by the Board directly relates to a more disciplined active enforcement of list-appropriate discussions, so, whether or not that comes to pass, it behooves us to give it a little more thought on our own.
You might be surprised at what you can do if you understand the process.

------------------------------
David Skolnik [RPT]
Hastings-on-Hudson NY
917-589-2625

Original Message:
Sent: 08-01-2021 12:54
From: Roger Gable
Subject: RESTORE THE MEMBER DIRECTORY

Michael,
I'm with you on this. Call me old fashion, but I can more quickly find a person in the print version than going on-line to find what I need, especially when I'm not sure who I'm looking for. The supplier section of the directory is very helpful. I still use my old print directory to find supplier information.Having the ability to quickly view two open pages gives me the advantage over a "one-page" computer view and very difficult for me on a cell phone. Also, a nicely wire bound directory is easier to manipulate that pages of stapled copy paper. A tremendous advantage of a print catalog --directory or supply -- is the ability to view many items that may not be in the realm of a given search but provides information that could be useful in the future. A case in point. When I first entered into piano technology I read through the piano supply catalogs and discovered a vast wealth of information that I didn't know existed. I always have my students browse through OEM print catalogs. Knowing what's out there is extremely educating.

------------------------------
Roger Gable
Gable Piano
Everett WA
425-252-5000

Original Message:
Sent: 08-01-2021 03:29
From: Michael Kurta
Subject: RESTORE THE MEMBER DIRECTORY

Nearly every day I have a need to find information on a member of PTG.  The former printed directory was so handy and useful that I rue the day it was decided to cease publication.  Yes, I understand the reasoning:  Go Green, save trees, it was costly, etc. etc.
      But the alternative provided online is almost unusable.  I go to the online directory and the only thing I can find out is if the person I'm looking for is a member or not.  I cannot find his/her address or phone, email or website if any.  I have to resort to other means to find the person.  This is time consuming and not always productive.  If I'm on the road internet service is not always available, but a portable directory is.
      Give us back the old printed directory perhaps with these alternatives:  Publish every two years instead of every year.  I for one would be willing to pay for the information to offset PTG's cost of publication.  Another solution might be to publish it electronically so the information could be printed on our own printers or taken to an office supply to be made into bound form.  Could a chip/thumb drive be made available we could plug into our own computers?
      At the very least, consider giving PTG members a directory at PTG.org that is complete and user friendly.  I can assume that with Clint Sears gone this is not easy to do.  But if the powers that be in PTG want to give its members an genuine benefit that is immediately usable, please consider restoring the directory.  How do similar organizations accomplish this?  Sometimes decisions that seem right at the time, don't turn out that way in the end.  Anyone?

------------------------------
Mike Kurta, RPT
N. Michigan chapter
------------------------------