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  • 1.  To the dump to the dump to the dump dump dump

    Posted 12 days ago
    To the  melody line of  the William Tell overture my primary piano mover called me last evening  to let me know that his records for 2018 showed that he had hauled and disposed of 208 pianos to the local dump/transfer station,,,,YES!!!

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    Martin Snow
    Boston MA
    617-543-1030
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  • 2.  RE: To the dump to the dump to the dump dump dump

    Posted 12 days ago
    The lead in 200+ pianos is around 500 pounds. Considering that lead as a neuro-toxin is measured in ppm (parts per million of the substance in the soil, water or air), that is a lot of nasty-nasty being put ito the environment.

    I wish there was some way of raising the awareness of the level of hazardous lead in pianos that need to be trashed. Lead is also a valuable metal, for re-use and re-cycling.

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    Jurgen Goering
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  • 3.  RE: To the dump to the dump to the dump dump dump

    Posted 12 days ago
    Wow! That's a lot of lead! Plenty of pianos end up in the dump here, but it's typically done with a few"good-old-boys" & a pick up truck. I've been able to connect some pianos with artists who use many of the parts, but the lead still ends up in the dump. :-(  This might be a stupid question, but is there a better option?

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    Maggie Jusiel
    Athens, WV
    (304)952-8615
    mags@timandmaggie.net
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  • 4.  RE: To the dump to the dump to the dump dump dump

    Posted 7 days ago
    Follow up post: Ironically, someone JUST approached me when they saw my car sign... It was a contractor of some sort who said he had a customer with an ancient upright who felt bad it was headed to the dump. He asked if there was a better option. I suggested my usual "find an artist" who might want it & I shared the info presented here about recycling. He was very appreciative. He was also shocked that pianos carried lead! He had no idea & told me he had special licenses for disposal of several dangerous things, including lead, that were NOT supposed to go to the dump. He asked, "So all these pianos that go to the dump...no one realizes they contain lead & all that ends up in the dump? That's not good." Yeah. I told him I hadn't even thought about it until recently when it was pointed out to me by the guild. Problem. :-(

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    Maggie Jusiel
    Athens, WV
    (304)952-8615
    mags@timandmaggie.net
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  • 5.  RE: To the dump to the dump to the dump dump dump

    Posted 7 days ago
    If we spearhead this, it could even be a fluff piece for local news stations.

    What might be a great tie-in would be starting now to crowdsource upcycling ideas for old pianos.

    i have a client that turned an old upright into a writing desk and another client who owns a bar and turned the piano into a disguised DJ booth by cutting the plate and soundboard off while preserving the front and keys. If you didn't know any better you would just see a non functioning piano sitting in the corner having no idea it was housing expensive audio equipment. I can get photos of both

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    Daniel DeBiasio
    Brooklyn, NY
    646.801.8863
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  • 6.  RE: To the dump to the dump to the dump dump dump

    Posted 7 days ago
    How about a niche business-piano salvage, a la Salvage Dogs tv show! How long would it take to dismantle a piano with the idea of stripping copper off strings, repurposing old growth maple and spruce, recycling lead, preserving case parts (sides, key bed, etc.) that have beautiful veneers. Might be a fun job! And lucrative if you have plenty of storage space.

    Richard West








  • 7.  RE: To the dump to the dump to the dump dump dump

    Posted 7 days ago
      |   view attached
    Makes a large but cool desk.  





  • 8.  RE: To the dump to the dump to the dump dump dump

    Posted 6 days ago
    This is what I did with un upright past the point of no return.







  • 9.  RE: To the dump to the dump to the dump dump dump

    Posted 5 days ago
    I can't quite make out what the rack with knobs and patches are for. I'm going to guess it's something to do with some music or amplifier arrangement.
    Would be nice to know. Thank you

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    Mark Holt
    Federal Way WA
    253-839-4697
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  • 10.  RE: To the dump to the dump to the dump dump dump

    Posted 12 days ago
    I've recommended that the PTG make several YouTube videos geared toward the general public to increase this websites visibility.

    one of the titles I recommended was "how to throw away a piano"

    Raising awareness about this environmental issue would be be an excellent undertaking for the PTG to engage in.

    it might even help our website get more views per year than the "how to tune your own piano" video which features a ratchet wrench.

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    Daniel DeBiasio
    Brooklyn, NY
    646.801.8863
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  • 11.  RE: To the dump to the dump to the dump dump dump

    Posted 12 days ago
    We are witnessing the end of the full upright piano our grandparents owned. Coupled with the domestic trash that was built  from the 60's to 80's by Aeolian and friends our moving company (Seattle area)  sent approximately 50 pianos to the dump in 2018. I believe the piano industry shot themselves in the foot during the 60's – 80's manufacturing such awful pianos. What young person today would want to learn to play such an instrument made by these horrible companies?
    Roger





  • 12.  RE: To the dump to the dump to the dump dump dump

    Posted 12 days ago
    I have often thought about "piano recycling centers" where they are thoroughly disassembled, all metal parts categorized in bins (including all lead) and recycled appropriately, wood parts made available for other purposes, and whatever is left burned or discarded appropriately.

    Possible employment for disadvantaged or disabled people (government tax incentives exist for this).  Obviously it would have to be a non-profit. Would need lots of room, etc. But taking things apart is kind of fun.

    Biggest problem...who would fund it? That always becomes the stumbling block.

    Pwg

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    Peter Grey
    Stratham NH
    603-686-2395
    pianodoctor57@gmail.com
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  • 13.  RE: To the dump to the dump to the dump dump dump

    Posted 11 days ago
    Hi Roger,
    The bigger tragedy is that so few people realize that they are playing on junk! I hate hearing how treasured their Whitney spinet is because it was grandma's. Lately, roughly one in five of new clients have gotten their pianos for free and they aren’t even worth that much!! It’s a sad state of affairs. I’m glad that I don’t earn my living by selling pianos.
    ~ jeannie

    Jeannie Grassi, Registered Piano Technician
    Island Piano Service
    Bainbridge Island, WA
    206-842-3721




  • 14.  RE: To the dump to the dump to the dump dump dump

    Posted 10 days ago
    Making that video is SUCH a good idea!
    I hope the folks who manage PTG's marketing budget are paying attention....
    Linda





  • 15.  RE: To the dump to the dump to the dump dump dump

    Posted 10 days ago
    Perhaps some brainstorming could produce a plan, like a business plan, even with a budget.  If this were then  presented as a proposal to HO and the Board, the case could be made for some funding.  Ideally, there would be one of more RVPs in on the planning team.


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    Jurgen Goering
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  • 16.  RE: To the dump to the dump to the dump dump dump

    Posted 9 days ago
    We could brainstorm here a little bit.

    This video should probably start with some sort of "so you want to get rid of a piano? Are you sure it's junk?" Which can then point to a "what is my piano worth" video where the junk piano owner can be absolutely sure that the piano they want to get rid of is in fact junk. (More videos means more traffic which means higher website visibility)

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    Daniel DeBiasio
    Brooklyn, NY
    646.801.8863
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  • 17.  RE: To the dump to the dump to the dump dump dump

    Posted 7 days ago
    Jeannie - Ditto! I have some customers who know they have junk & have reasonable expectations. I even have a friend with an ancient upright who will never tune or fix it because it's only purpose is to be a toy for her kids while they're little. It was headed to the dump & she just gave it a detour. BUT, the people who think their ancient upright is valuable & expect me to put it into top working order for under a grand...well...let's just say I'm getting good at saying no. ;-)

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    Maggie Jusiel
    Athens, WV
    (304)952-8615
    mags@timandmaggie.net
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  • 18.  RE: To the dump to the dump to the dump dump dump

    Posted 12 days ago
    I could not agree more with Daniel. This is an excellent topic for PTG videos.  In a PTG-L thread, the idea to allocate some marketing funds to making videos did not get much traction, but the idea will eventually prevail, one can only hope. After all, we are now close to 20 years into the 21st century....
    Look for "Creative marketing strategies" on PTG-L

    But regarding piano disposal - just about anything is better than sending piano lead into the landfill or burning pianos.
    Remove the keys (and damper underlevers on grands). The lead can be collected and taken to metal depots or similar. Lead is a valuable raw material and you can actually get money for it, while keeping it out of the environment (think Flint, MI).  Win-win!


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    Jurgen Goering
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  • 19.  RE: To the dump to the dump to the dump dump dump

    Posted 12 days ago
    Imagine how many clicks you would get if the video were titled "how to throw away your piano (and make money doing it)"

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    Daniel DeBiasio
    Brooklyn, NY
    646.801.8863
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  • 20.  RE: To the dump to the dump to the dump dump dump

    Posted 12 days ago
    I agree with Roger, some weeks I seem to spend more time trying to talk people out of fixing their pianos than the opposite.
    I think that's another video that would be valuable. It would save me many hours a year if I could refer people to a good video that explains why "free" pianos can be really expensive, giving graphic details of why it's not cost effective to refurbish parts (x's 88) that weren't well made in the first place. etc. etc. etc.
    I can definitely help with the script on that one.
    The point about using public service videos such as this to promote the PTG is a good one. The production  values must be pretty high in this day and age. And a sense of humor wouldn't hurt. I'm thinking of those recent video instructions on board airlines regarding seat belts and what not; they got me watching a ritual I'd ignored for the last 30 years. It would be a good investment.

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    Steven Rosenthal
    Honolulu HI

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  • 21.  RE: To the dump to the dump to the dump dump dump

    Posted 11 days ago
    Steven R. wrote: "I seem to spend more time trying to talk people out of fixing their pianos than the opposite."

    I find myself doing the same thing. One thing I often mention is something like this: I make my living repairing pianos. If I could do $XX worth of repairs to your piano and present you with a piano that plays and sounds good, I would certainly do it. However one can easily apply $XXX worth of bandages to this piano and that would likely fix the few things that are broken on this piano, but you'd still have an 80 year old worn out piano that sounds and plays poorly. It's just not worth doing when there are so many recent model pianos in good or better condition at relatively low cost on the used piano market readily available.

    "..."free" pianos can be really expensive..."

    I say much the same thing: Free pianos are often like free puppies - you end up spending $1K at the vet before you even get home with your new friend.

    "...giving graphic details of why it's not cost effective to refurbish parts (x's 88) that weren't well made in the first place. etc. etc. etc."

    Related to that, when discussing what kind of piano to look for in a replacement in the under $1K range, one will usually find themselves looking at consoles. I suggest to them that most American consoles in that price range were made back in the 60s though 80s and were poorly designed and manufactured lowest-end model from any particular manufacturer. So poor were many of them that they barely worked the day they were born and from there they go downhill. Best to focus on Asian consoles.

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    Terry Farrell
    Farrell Piano Service, Inc.
    Brandon, Florida
    terry@farrellpiano.com
    813-684-3505
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  • 22.  RE: To the dump to the dump to the dump dump dump

    Posted 12 days ago
    I appreciate what Jurgen has mentioned and support the idea of recycling a piano this way, as well as the video concept. Good reminder!

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    John Formsma, RPT
    New Albany MS
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  • 23.  RE: To the dump to the dump to the dump dump dump

    Posted 12 days ago
    John, Steve,
    Is this how an idea turns to action? Who's willing to write a script, stage a worthless upright piano and who will film it? There certainly would be certain members who have talents in writing staging and video production. I'll start with the script.
    Roger





  • 24.  RE: To the dump to the dump to the dump dump dump

    Posted 12 days ago
    I spoke to my friend last week who produces low budget videos like this for a living. We talked about some ideas I had and she was very interested in collaborating.

    Asking her would be inexpensive but not free. The only problem is I don't know how to request funding for this project.

    Here is her sample reel. Pay attention to the production quality while imagining the content. https://www.annelisejeske.com/REEL

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    Daniel DeBiasio
    Brooklyn, NY
    646.801.8863
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  • 25.  RE: To the dump to the dump to the dump dump dump

    Posted 12 days ago
    Here is another good example of her work

    https://vimeo.com/222898030

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    Daniel DeBiasio
    Brooklyn, NY
    646.801.8863
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  • 26.  RE: To the dump to the dump to the dump dump dump

    Posted 12 days ago
    I think it might be the way to get it going.

    What should be the main points of a script? I'll brainstorm...

    • reason for recycling 
    • what is dangerous
    • how to disassemble 
    • where to take the dangerous stuff (like lead or other potential hazards)
    • an average fee for removal and disassembly (if the person doesn't want to do it himself)
    • ideas for what to do with the parts (think Pinterest links)

    And a good plug for PTG at the end....

    All of us together should be able to compile a complete list of bullet points for a presentation.

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    John Formsma, RPT
    New Albany MS
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  • 27.  RE: To the dump to the dump to the dump dump dump

    Posted 12 days ago
    Looks Like you and Steve are ready and willing to put a script together. Why don't you go that, and then we can find some willing workers doing the hard work of taking a piano apart, and someone to make a video of the process.

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    Willem "Wim" Blees, RPT
    Mililani, HI 96789
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  • 28.  RE: To the dump to the dump to the dump dump dump

    Posted 9 days ago

    Speaking on behalf of your PTG board, we would like to suggest if someone would be willing to take the lead on creating this video, it would make an excellent chapter project and the PTG has a Chapter Marketing Grant that would help pay for some of the expenses.

    You can find the form on PTG.ORG, MEMBER AREA, FORMS & DOCUMENTS, CHAPTER MARKETING GRANT. Instructions on how to fill out the form are included and once filled out, submitted to the home office.

    Matt Hirschfeld in Salem, Oregon, who has extensive knowledge of this very topic, has graciously agreed to provide support should this project move forward and the group would like his assistance.



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    Jim Fariss, RPT
    Central West Regional Vice President
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  • 29.  RE: To the dump to the dump to the dump dump dump

    Posted 8 days ago
    Hi all,

    This has started me wondering if we actually have two different topics, both common questions, and whether they could start the basis of a PTG Youtube channel.  A channel could answer a lot of different search queries, lead people from topic to topic via the sidebar, and point people towards PTG as a resource.

    The two topics, which I see as distinct and valuable are:

    Old pianos/free pianos:  are they useful or worth spending money on to fix?

    and

    How do you get rid of an old piano?  Can you do anything with a dead piano?

    Best,
    Linda





  • 30.  RE: To the dump to the dump to the dump dump dump

    Posted 8 days ago
    Hey Linda,

    I think the PTG could and absolutely should have a YouTube channel. I proposed this idea in PTG-L where I think I got off on the wrong foot by suggesting we redirect our marketing dollars away from Google AdWords into something else, but I made the point that:

    this video has had 98k views over the past three years
    https://youtu.be/OJp8cUpIB_c

    Extrapolating from a week of Google AdWords data, we paid $54,750.00 for 73k page views over the past three years

    $54,750 spent and we are getting clobbered by a video of a guy tuning his piano with a ratchet wrench.


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    Daniel DeBiasio
    Brooklyn, NY
    646.801.8863
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  • 31.  RE: To the dump to the dump to the dump dump dump

    Posted 8 days ago
    I agree with Linda and Daniel. A channel is an excellent idea, it would provide a go-to source for dependable information. While Bill Bremmer has some excellent tuning videos, most of the tuning videos are more bone headed than I could ever imagine.
    I think a Youtube channel would go a long way to increasing brand awareness, it would be worth the investment.

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    Steven Rosenthal
    Honolulu HI
    808-521-7129
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  • 32.  RE: To the dump to the dump to the dump dump dump

    Posted 8 days ago
    Excellent parsing Linda!

    Regarding  Youtube channel:
     There already is a PTG youtube channel:
    https://www.youtube.com/user/PTGHomeOffice
    I am not sure if this could be expanded, or if another channel might be made.

    The Foundation also has a channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCfKMXDojCBOfbEj2Sp4qPDw
    although this is probably not the place for the kind of video we are talking about.

    John Parham also has a number of good piano tech and PTG related videos on his Channel.
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzAFCHZQFZzelj4TkA0t3jQ/videos

    No doubt other PTG members have useful videos on Youtube. Options of linking, piggy-backing or moving/borrowing videos should be explored.




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    Jurgen Goering
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  • 33.  RE: To the dump to the dump to the dump dump dump

    Posted 8 days ago
    The thing all of those videos and accounts have in common is that they are member facing.

    I think the real successful part of this idea is making it public facing and relatively broad. The PTG should make public facing videos that aim to solve problems for those who might have no clue.

    lets brainstorm some more video topics by thinking about piano related problems the general public might have.

    we've got "how to throw one away. (And make money doing it)"

    what about "how to remove an object from a piano"


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    Daniel DeBiasio
    Brooklyn, NY
    646.801.8863
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  • 34.  RE: To the dump to the dump to the dump dump dump

    Posted 8 days ago
    And this is already on my radar for the Board Meeting - some of these  suggestions should be posted to PTG-L

    Great suggestions. 

    PS Have you read the agenda?

    "PTG - Expand your horizon - Share the vision:
    Providing Quality Service for the World's Pianos

    Good, Better, Best. Never let it rest, 'til the good is better and the better is best."

    To schedule an appointment online click here http://bit.ly/2ErRaav

    George W.R.(Bill) Davis, RPT, SERVP
    The Piano Place GA
    2315 Rocky Mountain Rd NE
    Marietta GA 30066
    (770) 778-6881

    Sent from my iPhone





  • 35.  RE: To the dump to the dump to the dump dump dump

    Posted 8 days ago
    Amplifying a little on Daniel's last post. I would imagine that public service pieces such as disposal or how to inspect a used piano could be publicized/linked  on craigslist, where most of the used piano market is now. Posting once a week on all the craigslist communities or once every other week would get a heck of a lot of visibility for PTG. We would have to find out from craigslist how this could be effected but it should fly as long as the youtube videos are purely informative for those looking to buy a used instrument; if it's not transactional in nature it shouldn't cost anything to put it on CL. This could provide some serious leverage in terms of visibility.

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    Steven Rosenthal
    Honolulu HI
    808-521-7129
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  • 36.  RE: To the dump to the dump to the dump dump dump

    Posted 7 days ago
    Most of these ideas were posted to PTG-L in the "creative marketing strategies" thread where they were DOA.

    What is the difference between discussing it here and discussing it there? I guess I don't understand the difference between the forums.

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    Daniel DeBiasio
    Brooklyn, NY
    646.801.8863
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