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  • 1.  Fractured rep spring

    Posted 10-18-2021 13:17
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    This is a new one on me!  1965 Baldwin L. 


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    Floyd Gadd
    Regina SK
    306-502-9103
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  • 2.  RE: Fractured rep spring

    Member
    Posted 10-18-2021 16:02
    oh fun.. swap out the whip from note 88 and be done . wondering if someone in the past turned the screw too much . there was a recent post about what to use as a lubricant for these screws since protek clp seems to get absorbed into the wood. i believe the product is called sailcote and it can be bought from west marine . there are a number of brands that have that type of spring . proceed with caution if you have to adjust other reps

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    James Kelly
    Owner- Fur Elise Piano Service
    Pawleys Island SC
    843-325-4357
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  • 3.  RE: Fractured rep spring

    Posted 10-18-2021 16:07
    Thanks, James.  This is a piano that has been under my care for 9 years now in our university collection, so if anyone messed up, it was me!  The existing spring stock had a diameter of .032", so finding replacement stock in my music wire collection was not a problem.  Thanks as well to all who responded to Scott Cole's wippen query a couple of weeks ago.  The advice to fabricate a replacement was fresh in my mind from having followed that thread when it was developing.  The piano is now back in action.

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    Floyd Gadd
    Regina SK
    306-502-9103
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  • 4.  RE: Fractured rep spring

    Posted 10-18-2021 17:23
    Get phosphor-bronze wire from Instrument Workshop. I have .032", .028" and .022" to make springs.
    I made my own spring-making jig.  That spring will be very easy to make.

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    Regards,

    Jon Page
    mailto:jonpage@comcast.net
    http://www.pianocapecod.com
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  • 5.  RE: Fractured rep spring

    Posted 10-19-2021 05:47
    Jon P. stated: "I made my own spring-making jig."

    Well of course you did Jon! Care to share your plans for the jig you made to make your own spring-making jig?


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    Terry Farrell
    Farrell Piano Service, Inc.
    Brandon, Florida
    terry@farrellpiano.com
    813-684-3505
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  • 6.  RE: Fractured rep spring

    Posted 10-19-2021 10:55
    Terry, it's nothing fancy. One photo is of it in its early stage. The other, which is crammed into the box that holds the spools, has been used to make damper and repetition assist springs, also to reconfigure upright hammer springs. I may have made a few butterfly springs or other rep lever spring.  I'm sure there's better one's out there.

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    Regards,

    Jon Page
    mailto:jonpage@comcast.net
    http://www.pianocapecod.com
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  • 7.  RE: Fractured rep spring

    Posted 10-20-2021 07:37
    The photos will not load. I'll try again. Thanks HL for nothing.

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    Regards,

    Jon Page
    mailto:jonpage@comcast.net
    http://www.pianocapecod.com
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  • 8.  RE: Fractured rep spring

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 10-24-2021 21:17
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    I use a stepped round nose/concave pliers most spring replication. Here's a photo of me making one of those Baldwin springs (I sent one to Scott Cole). This style pliers allows you to grasp the wire securely, and makes the job pretty easy.

    Jon's design is something I like to use as well, particularly for making the initial loop for a hitch-in loop (single string tail) before doing the finish coils. Same jig, but with a hole in it to make those coils.

    Phosphor bronze is a good choice for many springs, but this Baldwin one seemed like music wire to me (I pulled one from a salvage action as a model). 


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    Fred Sturm
    University of New Mexico
    fssturm@unm.edu
    http://fredsturm.net
    http://www.artoftuning.com
    "We either make ourselves happy or miserable. The amount of work is the same." - Carlos Casteneda
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  • 9.  RE: Fractured rep spring

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 10-25-2021 23:15
    I was bugging everyone with my questions about springs at the institute ;).  Mark Burgett told me that clockmakers prefer stainless steel springs over phosphor bronze, because the later retains its springiness (resilience? elasticity? I'm probably using the wrong word) for longer.  So that's what they're using for WNG parts.

    One can get stainless steel spring wire (sold as "Spring-Back Multipurpose 304 Stainless Steel Wire") from McMaster-Carr that's a bit softer than piano wire, if you ever find that the smallest diameters of piano wire are too forceful.  You can also get it in much smaller diameters.

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    Nathan Monteleone
    Fort Worth TX
    817-675-9494
    nbmont@gmail.com
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  • 10.  RE: Fractured rep spring

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 10-26-2021 10:41
    Pure Sound wire is also stainless steel, in case you have some of that on hand.
    Regards,
    Fred Sturm
    University of New Mexico
    fssturm@unm.edu
    http://fredsturm.net
    www.artoftuning.com
    "Education is not preparation for life; education is life itself." John Dewey