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  • 1.  teflon spray

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-25-2020 13:37
    Has anyone used Du Pont Multi-Use lubricant, a teflon spray?  Thinking of using it on key pins in place of Elmer's Slide-All, which is no longer available. Thanks,

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    Sheffey Gregory, RPT
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  • 2.  RE: teflon spray

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-25-2020 13:48
    Hi Sheffey,

    I have not used the product you are inquiring about.

    Please consider instead using liquid (i. e., non-aerosol) McLube, applied with a pipe cleaner as per Fred Sturm's method. It is safer for the user and the environment, and is much less wasteful than aerosols.

    Best,

    Alan

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    Alan Eder, RPT
    Herb Alpert School of Music
    California Institute of the Arts
    Valencia, CA
    661.904.6483
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  • 3.  RE: teflon spray

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-25-2020 16:32

    Hi, Sheffey

    I saw a TV documentary about how toxic teflon is, and how it cannot be broken down once in the environment.

    I replaced my teflon powder with 100% talcum powder, and handed in the teflon spray cans at a hazardous waste event.

    I had already gotten rid of teflon coated frying pans, because I'd heard that the vapors from them can kill pet birds when they are heated up, so obviously they aren't benign.

    So, a little bit of convenience is gone, but I find I can live quite well without teflon.

    Maybe another lubricant could be rubbed on the keypins.






  • 4.  RE: teflon spray

    Member
    Posted 09-26-2020 10:26
    Avoid using the teflon spray and use a good metal polish followed by the pro-lube spray from Cory. Another approach is to use McLube. Pianotek just sent a newsletter that explains some of the McLube products.

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    James Kelly
    Owner- Fur Elise Piano Service
    Pawleys Island SC
    843-325-4357
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  • 5.  RE: teflon spray

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-26-2020 15:34

    Yes, James, maybe some polish like Flitz?






  • 6.  RE: teflon spray

    Posted 09-26-2020 16:57
    CBL

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    Regards,

    Jon Page
    mailto:jonpage@comcast.net
    http://www.pianocapecod.com
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  • 7.  RE: teflon spray

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-26-2020 21:57
    CBL...👍

    Pwg

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    Peter Grey
    Stratham NH
    603-686-2395
    pianodoctor57@gmail.com
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  • 8.  RE: teflon spray

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-29-2020 08:15
    What is CBL?

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    John Pope
    University of Kentucky School of Music
    Lexington, KY
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  • 9.  RE: teflon spray

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-29-2020 08:34
    Jon Page's excellent Counter Bearing Lube.

    Alan

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    Alan Eder, RPT
    Herb Alpert School of Music
    California Institute of the Arts
    Valencia, CA
    661.904.6483
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  • 10.  RE: teflon spray

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-29-2020 14:03
    And where might one find this CBL?





  • 11.  RE: teflon spray

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-29-2020 14:35
    I got mine directly from Jon, but do not know if he is still distributing it, or if a major supply house has finally taken it on.

    Alan

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    Alan Eder, RPT
    Herb Alpert School of Music
    California Institute of the Arts
    Valencia, CA
    661.904.6483
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  • 12.  RE: teflon spray

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 10-02-2020 08:33
    I'm with Susan on this one. I don't have time to look up the info, but teflon is nasty stuff. There are several things I won't use because of their effect on the environment and/or their effect on our CNS (including brains & eyes) and/or lungs. This is one of several (including aerosols & regular CA glue). I'm on the side of those who posted CBL or Protek stuff. My 2 cents. ;-) 

    Maybe I should get together with the Science profs at our college & put a presentation together...in my plethora of time. lol

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    Maggie Jusiel, RPT
    Athens, WV
    (304)952-8615
    mags@timandmaggie.net
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  • 13.  RE: teflon spray

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-27-2020 12:40
    It seems obvious that Teflon spray is pretty nasty, as are a lot of aerosols.   But I can't imagine that Teflon powder is dangerous.  I admit I have not researched this but perhaps someone on the list has.

    As for McLube, that has a pretty strong odor.  Does anyone know its safety level.

    Thanks,

    David Weiss

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    David Weiss
    Charlottesville VA
    434-823-9733
    davidweisspiano@gmail.com
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  • 14.  RE: teflon spray

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-27-2020 13:16
    As with so many things, I think occupational overexposure COULD be a problem,  however if reasonable precautions are taken, Teflon powder ON a surface is hard to consider hazardous.  If you're creating massive dust clouds...that's a different story.

    Aeosolizing anything COULD be a problem.

    Pwg

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    Peter Grey
    Stratham NH
    603-686-2395
    pianodoctor57@gmail.com
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  • 15.  RE: teflon spray

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-27-2020 14:15
    Thanks to all who responded. There seems to be universal dislike for teflon spray. I have McLube 444, but it has a strong odor and I don't like using it in customer's homes, which is where I do 95% of my work.
         James, I'm not familiar with a Cory pro-lube.  Does it have a strong odor?

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    Sheffey Gregory, RPT
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  • 16.  RE: teflon spray

    Member
    Posted 09-29-2020 10:47
    I meant to say PROTEK pro-lube not Cory. It comes in a pump spray bottle and has very little odor. It works very well on key pins that have been cleaned with flitz or Maas polish that comes in squeeze tubes like tooth paste. I apply the polish using a tooth brush . A battery operated tooth brush is even better. Clean off with aclean Dampp-Chaser pad.  I know techs use Brasso and other liquids but it has an odor, is messy and often drips onto the bushings unless you put down newspaper and puncture it with the keypins

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    James Kelly
    Owner- Fur Elise Piano Service
    Pawleys Island SC
    843-325-4357
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  • 17.  RE: teflon spray

    Posted 09-29-2020 15:05
    CBL (Counter Bearing Lube) + ((many more uses)), is odorless, does not stain felt, quick drying. Slick (in every sense of the word).

    Also use it as a center pin lube, key pin cleaner/lubricant.  Do not take internally.

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    Regards,

    Jon Page
    mailto:jonpage@comcast.net
    http://www.pianocapecod.com
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  • 18.  RE: teflon spray

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-29-2020 16:15
    Ahh.... I've used Protek Prolube for years, buy it by the quart :)

    Sheffey Gregory, RPT
    Gregory's Piano Service
    423.614.5001