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  • 1.  Centre Pin Lubricant Contamination

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-05-2026 00:06

    Hello all,

    In another thread about Young Chang expanding action brackets, there was a discussion about negative long-term effects of using lubricants to ease tight flange bushings. Obviously this can happen if people are using WD-40 or other non-standard lubricants. However, I know that technicians have been using Protek CLP for many years - is there evidence of negative effects from contamination?

    I am not necessarily advocating its use, for the following reasons:

    1. It is difficult to control. Unless your goal is 0g of friction, it can be easy to end up with not enough friction
    2. It is not always very long-lasting, and the amount of time that it does last can be unpredictable
    3. You have no control over the difference in friction between the two bushed holes. The two holes should have the same amount of friction, and that can't be isolated without taking the old centre pin out
    4. Often tight centre pins are the result of "reverse pinning" in which the pin is loose in the birds-eye - obviously lubricating the bushing will not be an adequate repair in this situation

    I am sure I can think of more, but none of these reasons result in "contaminated" bushings that are going to cause long-term problems. Is this actually a concern for this product?



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    Peter Stevenson RPT
    P.S. Piano Service
    Prince George BC
    (250) 562-5358
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  • 2.  RE: Centre Pin Lubricant Contamination

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-05-2026 00:09

    Sorry, I just saw Peter Grey's other thread about this - it looks like I'm not the only one with questions!



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    Peter Stevenson RPT
    P.S. Piano Service
    Prince George BC
    (250) 562-5358
    ps@pspianos.com
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  • 3.  RE: Centre Pin Lubricant Contamination

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-06-2026 08:18

    Ok, Since the proverbial pandora's box has been cracked open a bit,  Here's a take on the subject which I've pondered for a long time.

    Any and all lubricants used in bushings does wick into the wood that surrounds the bushing rendering it impervious to any and all adhesion of the cloth to the wood.  I recall early years being taught to first use a "wetting agent" on the felting to break the surfaces of production chemicals and allowing the felt cloth surface to be able to bond felt to wood with the tiniest amount of glue. Especially important for key bushings.

    Any oils and or lubricants will prevent this for happening in any future situations without providing fresh wood surface(s) for adhesion.

    There certainly will render this discussion to many opinions best positive or negative about this ponder.  Ready-set-go!   chemical engineer analysts welcome into the discussion. PS rule out conjecture please. TIA

    G



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    Gerry
    Gerald P. Cousins, RPT ~ Director of Piano Service and Resources
    West Chester University of PA
    gcousins@wcupa.edu
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  • 4.  RE: Centre Pin Lubricant Contamination

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-06-2026 13:55

    Gerry,

    Yes, this is a fair point. I'm thinking that Don's suggestion (made in relative speculativity) to "soak" the de-pinned" bushings and wood in acetone might have greater merit under such circumstances. If I were doing that, I would likely follow it up with a good blast of compressed air to assist in the hopeful decontamination process. However, if the situation was a first-rate disaster requiring total bushing replacement, I think I would first drill out the bushings and then soak what's left, trying not to overdo it and send acetone all up into the knuckle and beyond. MEK might be another good cleanser, maybe...?

    Peter Grey Piano Doctor 



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    Peter Grey
    Stratham NH
    (603) 686-2395
    pianodoctor57@gmail.com
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  • 5.  RE: Centre Pin Lubricant Contamination

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-06-2026 14:00

    Also, I remember Bill Garlick, many years ago, recommended rubbing the center pin into the oil on one's nose (he said it was lanolin), coating both bushings, before insertion through the bird's eye. He said that was natural and safe.

    Peter Grey Piano Doctor 



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    Peter Grey
    Stratham NH
    (603) 686-2395
    pianodoctor57@gmail.com
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  • 6.  RE: Centre Pin Lubricant Contamination

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-06-2026 14:13
    I propose that in less critical cases like this
    one, that we talk about glue holding strength in terms of "good enough" or not. After all, the glue holding an action center bushing in place is not placed under much strain at all under actual use. It's only at any real risk during reaming and repinning.

    In practice, most lubricants will not cost and seal the wood so completely as to reject our common glues completely. Might they weaken the strength of the bond? Sure. But typically when I've repinned overly tight actions -- some of which surely got CLP a few times before I got called to deal with it the right way -- I haven't had any issues with the bushings falling out from anything short of operator error.  Has anyone encountered bushings that are systematically falling out because of glue failure?





  • 7.  RE: Centre Pin Lubricant Contamination

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-06-2026 15:12

    How about threading the flange bushing holes with a micro tap to hold the felt instead of glue?




  • 8.  RE: Centre Pin Lubricant Contamination

    Posted 09-07-2026 11:56

    This bushing method was used in the first WNG composite action parts.

    See the May 2010 Journal article for the illustration.

    Flange Bushing Without Glue, circa 1921

    By Ed Sutton, RPT

    [Illustration: Patent Page Drawing]

    For the insatiable piano technician, a search of piano patents is sure to yield an hour of entertainment, and sometimes an idea worth trying.

    In this 1921 patent application, James Semple proposes a way to eliminate glue from the action flange by threading the hole for the bushing cloth. In a bench test I found that this method could be useful for a fast field repair, eliminating the glue drying time and allowing immediate assembly of the action center.

    Supplies and tools needed for the repair are good quality bushing cloth, a selection of center pins, a pin removing tool, a razor blade, a set of Mannino action center broaches, a 4NS36 screw tap with handle, and flush-cutting nippers.

    To make the repair, remove the old pin and decide on the appropriate-sized replacement pin for the bird's eye. Push the old cloth out of the flange, and use the screw tap to cut threads in the holes. Pull the bushing cloth into the flange and cut away the excess length, but before trimming the cloth flush to the flange ears, use the Mannino broaches to compact the cloth into the threaded holes. Begin with the smallest broach and work up one at a time to the broach that matches the replacement pin size. Now trim the cloth and test carefully for friction on the broach. Work the bushing on the broach as needed for proper friction. Finally, assemble the parts with the center pin as usual and trim the pin.

    The old factory-made bushings used very little glue, and can pop out easily. The threaded bushing is probably just as stable as its traditional counterparts.

    Thanks to Kirk Burgett for telling me about this.



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    Ed Sutton
    ed440@me.com
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  • 9.  RE: Centre Pin Lubricant Contamination

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-06-2026 15:33

    It depends on what lubricant you're talking about. Anything with oils or silicones in it will get into the wood and prevent future glue adhesion. Center pin lubricant, Protek CLP, contains a carrier which is non-binding, basically like mineral spirits, a hydrocarbon carrier, and the lubricant agent (fluoropolymer/synthetic polymer film) doesn't bind to the wood, but rather binds to the metal and the felt and will not prevent future adhesion with glue. 



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