Original Message:
Sent: 10-02-2026 15:59
From: Kathy Smith
Subject: Large Casters or Spider Dollys
Hi Rick, if you mean you're cutting off part of the spade portion on an original NY leg (longer and thinner) what did that end up looking like? We figured having that much of the spade cut off could look odd proportionally, and the socket and the pressures it exerts will end up inside a thinner leg than the shorter, beefier legs meant to go with the big casters. Can you send any photos?
Kathy
Original Message:
Sent: 10/2/2026 1:09:00 PM
From: Rick Florence
Subject: RE: Large Casters or Spider Dollys
I posted this a couple of years ago, but maybe worth repeating.
I think the large brass casters are worth considering. Visually, they are a huge improvement over a spider dolly, and in our halls with hardwood floors, the tone is improved. This is really not that big of a deal with the correct tools: a decent table saw, a sharp crosscut blade, a relatively powerful hand drill, and the appropriate sizes of forstner bits. We have done this on 4 pianos with no issues. This is assuming the piano stays on a wood stage/backstage and has no elevated thresholds to cross. We have used both the Hamburg and Schaff casters on our main stage for 30 years, with no issues. Pianos are moved by faculty and students. Our biggest concern is the legs becoming loose in the lock blocks over time, with the extra vibration of individual legs during moving, so we check the wedges the beginning of each semester.
Our procedure:
Use a board between the top of the leg and the fence, with holes drilled for dowels or locking plate. This will allow the wide top of the leg to act as a stable guide during the cut as it slides along the fence.
Place a thin layer of felt between the leg top and the table to avoid scratching during the cut. Cut a second board with felt on the top side that is the appropriate size to lay in the miter slot in the table saw so the leg is raised to the point of the bottom being square with the blade. This piece of wood needs to be long enough to allow the full cut.
After determining the amount of wood to cut off the bottom of the leg (usually around 1.5 inches), set the fence from the blade at the appropriate distance.
Tape around the area of the cut with masking tape to minimize chipping of the finish. Pull the tape off in a downward motion, toward the cut. Slightly rounding the edges after the cut and touching up with the correct lacquer or polyurethane restores a nice factory look.
Cut two ½ inch plywood or other scrap wood the size of the new leg bottom. Drill holes in the center of these with the two forstner bits – one for the stem and one for the plate. These will act as your bit guides while the bit cuts into the leg, a must if there are previous holes in the legs from other casters, and for your second, plate hole. Clamp the two boards together and drill screw holes through both in the corners so you can screw them to the bottom of the leg – this allows you to place both pieces in the same relative position when drilling. Drill out the stem hole first, followed by the plate hole. The plate hole should be recessed enough to hide the plate, but still allow for caster rotation. Occasionally the forstner bit is not an exact match with the caster stem and plate. A few minutes with a Dremel tool or paper shimming are easy fixes.
Screw them on and reattach the legs. The whole process takes about 4 hours.
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Rick Florence RPT
Gilbert AZ
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Original Message:
Sent: 10-02-2026 10:29
From: Kathy Smith
Subject: Large Casters or Spider Dollys
Hi all, yes, I can vouch for the transporters too. I had several halls that used the Grand Transporter, and we have one in our own shop at home. David (Vanderlip) used to put a piano on it and enjoyed being able to adjust the height for various jobs, plus the ease of moving the piano around. The pressure should be relieved off the jacks each night, as mentioned. If the wheels need to be locked for some reason while working on it, the trick with 1/8" cord around the contact area between wheel and floor works great.
One of my venues sprung for the big expense of buying the round-looking Yamaha transporter, which has three pads that contact and lift the piano, but a big simple central wheel to turn that lifts all three pads at once. It has the same large wheels for smooth rolling, and well-trained students have used it for about ten years with no issues. It's worth looking at, if they're still available.
Kathy
Original Message:
Sent: 10/2/2026 8:07:00 AM
From: David Graham
Subject: RE: Large Casters or Spider Dollys
Hi All. In the Concert Hall at NIU we have both a NY D and Fazioli on the large brass casters. Over 22 years, the D broke a leg and the Fazioli 2, due to students moving the piano out onto a stage lift which then sagged. Who knew pianos can't jump an inch.
The Steinway was first. At the time, it was on a dolly, but hit something with enough force and it translates very nicely to the leg.
We opted to change to Hamburg legend brass casters, but at the time Steinway had not yet changed to the new leg plate design, so fitting the new legs was not a real problem.
we did this partially because it was my understanding that the piano rocks less side to side when being played, so the pianist transfers power into bass and treble more effectively. This does seem to be the case, though we didn't really have a way to do an A/B test, since the old leg was already broken.
The CH stage is oak flooring laid over cement.
After the Fazioli suffered two breakages, I bought a used Grand Piano Transporter with help from Kathy Smith. No damage since. I did discover, belatedly, that the original design of the device was rated for a 9' piano and 1000 pounds. The Fazioli 278 is 9'2", and over 1200 pounds, so I had a local retired metal worker make a new piece connecting the front and back pieces, changed the wheels to an inch taller (the Fazioli sits higher off the floor) and beefed up the unit with heavy bolts instead of the cotter pins it comes with. Also, you have to coach the student workers to Not leave the release valves open on the jacks or you'll have to learn how to replace the oil in the jacks. Still, it works, and no more broken legs.
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David Graham,RPT
Graham Piano Service, Inc
Sycamore IL 60178
815-353-5450
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Original Message:
Sent: 10-01-2026 11:41
From: John Pope
Subject: Large Casters or Spider Dollys
Kathy, thanks much for that clarification of my vague memory! It may have been something like 20 years ago that I attended your leg class.
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John Pope
University of Kentucky School of Music
Lexington, KY
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Original Message:
Sent: 10-01-2026 10:57
From: Kathy Smith
Subject: Large Casters or Spider Dollys
Hi all, I did mention that many years ago. But it was a drastic case and I don't recommend it, it's very difficult to do and will look awful. In this case, an older Hamburg had had its casters removed years prior and it was put on a dolly, and that left the lyre 1/4" from the floor and it kept getting damaged. The venue wanted it back on casters but the old Hamburg brass casters had been lost, and they were an in-between size of 3" tall, so the current casters of 5" tall would put the lyre too high off the floor. Our only recourse was to cut 2" off the bottom of the legs and use the 5" tall brass wheels. The spade bottoms on the legs looked a bit odd but reasonable with that smaller amount cut off. The difficulty was getting a square bottom cut with all those angles of the spade and leg - nothing is a straight line. Then we had to re-drill the center hole deeper to accept the socket length. Getting the appropriate shorter legs for the big brass casters is the correct way to go.
Also, yes, I had several instances of broken large brass casters from bad handling, but several of those turned out to be a broken socket inside the leg. The socket has an outer flange that has the three holes used to screw it up into the leg, and that flange broke off from the shock of being dropped, leaving the caster loose and floppy. The broken-off flange was still screwed to the wood inside, and it kept the rest of the socket (a threaded tube) from falling out on the floor. At the time I could only buy a whole set of casters with sockets, so I ended up with spares. Yes, they are very pricey, but I had a lot of pianos that used them. But now you can buy them separately, I noticed, though I haven't needed any since I saw that somewhere.
Kathy
Original Message:
Sent: 10/1/2026 10:31:00 AM
From: John Pope
Subject: RE: Large Casters or Spider Dollys
Also, I was thinking that the existing legs could be cut shorter to accomidate large casters. In fact I think I remember Kathy Smith talking about this in a convention class long ago.
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John Pope
University of Kentucky School of Music
Lexington, KY
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Original Message:
Sent: 10-01-2026 10:25
From: John Pope
Subject: Large Casters or Spider Dollys
What about sound? Is there anything to the idea that a piano actualy sounds better with big brass casters connecting it solidly to a stage?
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John Pope
University of Kentucky School of Music
Lexington, KY
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