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Greetings,

1917 Steinway model A grand piano. The repetitions (AKA wippens) have assist springs on their flanges (see attached image).

If someone retrofitted them, they did a factory-quality install, yet did so on reps that are old enough to not have regulating screws in the jacks. (We are planning on replacement with WNG parts, withOUT assist springs.)

I have never seen assist springs on Steinway repetitions as original configuration. Has anyone else?

Thanks,

Alan

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Alan Eder, RPT
Herb Alpert School of Music
California Institute of the Arts
Valencia, CA
661.904.6483
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Steinway Hamburg used support springs with the hook on top around those years.

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David Stanwood RPT
Stanwood Piano Innovations Inc.
West Tisbury MA
(508) 693-1583
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Original Message:
Sent: 01-13-2023 08:24
From: Alan Eder
Subject: 1917 Steinway repetition with assist spring

Greetings,

1917 Steinway model A grand piano. The repetitions (AKA wippens) have assist springs on their flanges (see attached image).

If someone retrofitted them, they did a factory-quality install, yet did so on reps that are old enough to not have regulating screws in the jacks. (We are planning on replacement with WNG parts, withOUT assist springs.)

I have never seen assist springs on Steinway repetitions as original configuration. Has anyone else?

Thanks,

Alan

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Alan Eder, RPT
Herb Alpert School of Music
California Institute of the Arts
Valencia, CA
661.904.6483
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Thank you, David!

Best,

Alan

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Alan Eder, RPT
Herb Alpert School of Music
California Institute of the Arts
Valencia, CA
661.904.6483
------------------------------

Original Message:
Sent: 01-13-2023 09:24
From: David Stanwood
Subject: 1917 Steinway repetition with assist spring

Steinway Hamburg used support springs with the hook on top around those years.

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David Stanwood RPT
Stanwood Piano Innovations Inc.
West Tisbury MA
(508) 693-1583

Original Message:
Sent: 01-13-2023 08:24
From: Alan Eder
Subject: 1917 Steinway repetition with assist spring

Greetings,

1917 Steinway model A grand piano. The repetitions (AKA wippens) have assist springs on their flanges (see attached image).

If someone retrofitted them, they did a factory-quality install, yet did so on reps that are old enough to not have regulating screws in the jacks. (We are planning on replacement with WNG parts, withOUT assist springs.)

I have never seen assist springs on Steinway repetitions as original configuration. Has anyone else?

Thanks,

Alan

------------------------------
Alan Eder, RPT
Herb Alpert School of Music
California Institute of the Arts
Valencia, CA
661.904.6483
------------------------------

Original Message:
Sent: 1/13/2023 8:25:00 AM
From: Alan Eder
Subject: 1917 Steinway repetition with assist spring

Greetings,

1917 Steinway model A grand piano. The repetitions (AKA wippens) have assist springs on their flanges (see attached image).

If someone retrofitted them, they did a factory-quality install, yet did so on reps that are old enough to not have regulating screws in the jacks. (We are planning on replacement with WNG parts, withOUT assist springs.)

I have never seen assist springs on Steinway repetitions as original configuration. Has anyone else?

Thanks,

Alan

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Alan Eder, RPT
Herb Alpert School of Music
California Institute of the Arts
Valencia, CA
661.904.6483
------------------------------

Thanks Wim, that's interesting. 

Just out of curiosity, how did the wippin assist springs on that piano create regulation issues?

Alan

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Alan Eder, RPT
Herb Alpert School of Music
California Institute of the Arts
Valencia, CA
661.904.6483
------------------------------

Original Message:
Sent: 01-13-2023 09:51
From: Wim Blees
Subject: 1917 Steinway repetition with assist spring

When I rebuilt my dad's 1895 Hamburg Steinway A, it had reps with springs. I didn't change them out at the time, but about 10 years later, when my niece took possession of the piano, and I had difficulties regulating the action, I decided to replace them with modern Steinway wips, which worked great. 

Wim

Original Message:
Sent: 1/13/2023 8:25:00 AM
From: Alan Eder
Subject: 1917 Steinway repetition with assist spring

Greetings,

1917 Steinway model A grand piano. The repetitions (AKA wippens) have assist springs on their flanges (see attached image).

If someone retrofitted them, they did a factory-quality install, yet did so on reps that are old enough to not have regulating screws in the jacks. (We are planning on replacement with WNG parts, withOUT assist springs.)

I have never seen assist springs on Steinway repetitions as original configuration. Has anyone else?

Thanks,

Alan

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Alan Eder, RPT
Herb Alpert School of Music
California Institute of the Arts
Valencia, CA
661.904.6483
------------------------------

Original Message:
Sent: 1/13/2023 10:14:00 AM
From: Alan Eder
Subject: RE: 1917 Steinway repetition with assist spring

Thanks Wim, that's interesting. 

Just out of curiosity, how did the wippin assist springs on that piano create regulation issues?

Alan

------------------------------
Alan Eder, RPT
Herb Alpert School of Music
California Institute of the Arts
Valencia, CA
661.904.6483
------------------------------

Original Message:
Sent: 01-13-2023 09:51
From: Wim Blees
Subject: 1917 Steinway repetition with assist spring

When I rebuilt my dad's 1895 Hamburg Steinway A, it had reps with springs. I didn't change them out at the time, but about 10 years later, when my niece took possession of the piano, and I had difficulties regulating the action, I decided to replace them with modern Steinway wips, which worked great. 

Wim

Original Message:
Sent: 1/13/2023 8:25:00 AM
From: Alan Eder
Subject: 1917 Steinway repetition with assist spring

Greetings,

1917 Steinway model A grand piano. The repetitions (AKA wippens) have assist springs on their flanges (see attached image).

If someone retrofitted them, they did a factory-quality install, yet did so on reps that are old enough to not have regulating screws in the jacks. (We are planning on replacement with WNG parts, withOUT assist springs.)

I have never seen assist springs on Steinway repetitions as original configuration. Has anyone else?

Thanks,

Alan

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Alan Eder, RPT
Herb Alpert School of Music
California Institute of the Arts
Valencia, CA
661.904.6483
------------------------------

Wim,

Did you need to add much lead to the keys to counterbalance the weight of the action parts, in the absence of the wippen assist springs?

Alan

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Alan Eder, RPT
Herb Alpert School of Music
California Institute of the Arts
Valencia, CA
661.904.6483
------------------------------

Original Message:
Sent: 01-13-2023 10:22
From: Wim Blees
Subject: 1917 Steinway repetition with assist spring

The wippens were over a hundred years old. The springs were worn out, and the jacks didn't have a regulating button on them. They were just tired. 

Original Message:
Sent: 1/13/2023 10:14:00 AM
From: Alan Eder
Subject: RE: 1917 Steinway repetition with assist spring

Thanks Wim, that's interesting.

Just out of curiosity, how did the wippin assist springs on that piano create regulation issues?

Alan

------------------------------
Alan Eder, RPT
Herb Alpert School of Music
California Institute of the Arts
Valencia, CA
661.904.6483

Original Message:
Sent: 01-13-2023 09:51
From: Wim Blees
Subject: 1917 Steinway repetition with assist spring

When I rebuilt my dad's 1895 Hamburg Steinway A, it had reps with springs. I didn't change them out at the time, but about 10 years later, when my niece took possession of the piano, and I had difficulties regulating the action, I decided to replace them with modern Steinway wips, which worked great. 

Wim

Original Message:
Sent: 1/13/2023 8:25:00 AM
From: Alan Eder
Subject: 1917 Steinway repetition with assist spring

Greetings,

1917 Steinway model A grand piano. The repetitions (AKA wippens) have assist springs on their flanges (see attached image).

If someone retrofitted them, they did a factory-quality install, yet did so on reps that are old enough to not have regulating screws in the jacks. (We are planning on replacement with WNG parts, withOUT assist springs.)

I have never seen assist springs on Steinway repetitions as original configuration. Has anyone else?

Thanks,

Alan

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Alan Eder, RPT
Herb Alpert School of Music
California Institute of the Arts
Valencia, CA
661.904.6483
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No. I didn’t. But I had already decreased the weight of the shanks to compensate.

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Original Message:
Sent: 1/13/2023 12:06:00 PM
From: Alan Eder
Subject: RE: 1917 Steinway repetition with assist spring

Wim,

Did you need to add much lead to the keys to counterbalance the weight of the action parts, in the absence of the wippen assist springs?

Alan

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Alan Eder, RPT
Herb Alpert School of Music
California Institute of the Arts
Valencia, CA
661.904.6483
------------------------------

Original Message:
Sent: 01-13-2023 10:22
From: Wim Blees
Subject: 1917 Steinway repetition with assist spring

The wippens were over a hundred years old. The springs were worn out, and the jacks didn't have a regulating button on them. They were just tired. 

Original Message:
Sent: 1/13/2023 10:14:00 AM
From: Alan Eder
Subject: RE: 1917 Steinway repetition with assist spring

Thanks Wim, that's interesting.

Just out of curiosity, how did the wippin assist springs on that piano create regulation issues?

Alan

------------------------------
Alan Eder, RPT
Herb Alpert School of Music
California Institute of the Arts
Valencia, CA
661.904.6483

Original Message:
Sent: 01-13-2023 09:51
From: Wim Blees
Subject: 1917 Steinway repetition with assist spring

When I rebuilt my dad's 1895 Hamburg Steinway A, it had reps with springs. I didn't change them out at the time, but about 10 years later, when my niece took possession of the piano, and I had difficulties regulating the action, I decided to replace them with modern Steinway wips, which worked great. 

Wim

Original Message:
Sent: 1/13/2023 8:25:00 AM
From: Alan Eder
Subject: 1917 Steinway repetition with assist spring

Greetings,

1917 Steinway model A grand piano. The repetitions (AKA wippens) have assist springs on their flanges (see attached image).

If someone retrofitted them, they did a factory-quality install, yet did so on reps that are old enough to not have regulating screws in the jacks. (We are planning on replacement with WNG parts, withOUT assist springs.)

I have never seen assist springs on Steinway repetitions as original configuration. Has anyone else?

Thanks,

Alan

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Alan Eder, RPT
Herb Alpert School of Music
California Institute of the Arts
Valencia, CA
661.904.6483
------------------------------

Wippen support springs supporting just the weight of the wippen/repetition/balancier typically do the work of reducing touch weight by 9g-10g.  That's equivelant to one typical  large key weight of 13.5g at a .7 key radius point.

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David Stanwood RPT
Stanwood Piano Innovations Inc.
West Tisbury MA
(508) 693-1583
------------------------------

Original Message:
Sent: 01-13-2023 12:05
From: Alan Eder
Subject: 1917 Steinway repetition with assist spring

Wim,

Did you need to add much lead to the keys to counterbalance the weight of the action parts, in the absence of the wippen assist springs?

Alan

------------------------------
Alan Eder, RPT
Herb Alpert School of Music
California Institute of the Arts
Valencia, CA
661.904.6483

Original Message:
Sent: 01-13-2023 10:22
From: Wim Blees
Subject: 1917 Steinway repetition with assist spring

The wippens were over a hundred years old. The springs were worn out, and the jacks didn't have a regulating button on them. They were just tired. 

Original Message:
Sent: 1/13/2023 10:14:00 AM
From: Alan Eder
Subject: RE: 1917 Steinway repetition with assist spring

Thanks Wim, that's interesting.

Just out of curiosity, how did the wippin assist springs on that piano create regulation issues?

Alan

------------------------------
Alan Eder, RPT
Herb Alpert School of Music
California Institute of the Arts
Valencia, CA
661.904.6483

Original Message:
Sent: 01-13-2023 09:51
From: Wim Blees
Subject: 1917 Steinway repetition with assist spring

When I rebuilt my dad's 1895 Hamburg Steinway A, it had reps with springs. I didn't change them out at the time, but about 10 years later, when my niece took possession of the piano, and I had difficulties regulating the action, I decided to replace them with modern Steinway wips, which worked great. 

Wim

Original Message:
Sent: 1/13/2023 8:25:00 AM
From: Alan Eder
Subject: 1917 Steinway repetition with assist spring

Greetings,

1917 Steinway model A grand piano. The repetitions (AKA wippens) have assist springs on their flanges (see attached image).

If someone retrofitted them, they did a factory-quality install, yet did so on reps that are old enough to not have regulating screws in the jacks. (We are planning on replacement with WNG parts, withOUT assist springs.)

I have never seen assist springs on Steinway repetitions as original configuration. Has anyone else?

Thanks,

Alan

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Alan Eder, RPT
Herb Alpert School of Music
California Institute of the Arts
Valencia, CA
661.904.6483
------------------------------

I tuned a Hamburg O with those springs just today. It was # 226000. (off the top of my head around 1925 or so)
It played pretty nicely but I am not the world's best judge of that.
​

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Jurgen Goering
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Original Message:
Sent: 01-13-2023 14:06
From: David Stanwood
Subject: 1917 Steinway repetition with assist spring

Wippen support springs supporting just the weight of the wippen/repetition/balancier typically do the work of reducing touch weight by 9g-10g.  That's equivelant to one typical  large key weight of 13.5g at a .7 key radius point.

------------------------------
David Stanwood RPT
Stanwood Piano Innovations Inc.
West Tisbury MA
(508) 693-1583

Original Message:
Sent: 01-13-2023 12:05
From: Alan Eder
Subject: 1917 Steinway repetition with assist spring

Wim,

Did you need to add much lead to the keys to counterbalance the weight of the action parts, in the absence of the wippen assist springs?

Alan

------------------------------
Alan Eder, RPT
Herb Alpert School of Music
California Institute of the Arts
Valencia, CA
661.904.6483

Original Message:
Sent: 01-13-2023 10:22
From: Wim Blees
Subject: 1917 Steinway repetition with assist spring

The wippens were over a hundred years old. The springs were worn out, and the jacks didn't have a regulating button on them. They were just tired. 

Original Message:
Sent: 1/13/2023 10:14:00 AM
From: Alan Eder
Subject: RE: 1917 Steinway repetition with assist spring

Thanks Wim, that's interesting.

Just out of curiosity, how did the wippin assist springs on that piano create regulation issues?

Alan

------------------------------
Alan Eder, RPT
Herb Alpert School of Music
California Institute of the Arts
Valencia, CA
661.904.6483

Original Message:
Sent: 01-13-2023 09:51
From: Wim Blees
Subject: 1917 Steinway repetition with assist spring

When I rebuilt my dad's 1895 Hamburg Steinway A, it had reps with springs. I didn't change them out at the time, but about 10 years later, when my niece took possession of the piano, and I had difficulties regulating the action, I decided to replace them with modern Steinway wips, which worked great. 

Wim

Original Message:
Sent: 1/13/2023 8:25:00 AM
From: Alan Eder
Subject: 1917 Steinway repetition with assist spring

Greetings,

1917 Steinway model A grand piano. The repetitions (AKA wippens) have assist springs on their flanges (see attached image).

If someone retrofitted them, they did a factory-quality install, yet did so on reps that are old enough to not have regulating screws in the jacks. (We are planning on replacement with WNG parts, withOUT assist springs.)

I have never seen assist springs on Steinway repetitions as original configuration. Has anyone else?

Thanks,

Alan

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Alan Eder, RPT
Herb Alpert School of Music
California Institute of the Arts
Valencia, CA
661.904.6483
------------------------------