From the one original that I have in my possession:
B2
core = 0.88mm
core + copper (total diameter with wrap) = 1.44mm
eye to copper = 17.25mm
copper length = 1085mm
C3 (core = 0.88) used the same core and wrapping, just shorter.
D3 core = 0.85 with core + copper = 1.35mm
Speaking lengths are not recorded, only core + copper and the core itself - I was taught by a string maker this way, so please don't judge Raymond or me.
We get physical samples so the copper lengths are just copied from the sample. Unless we measure at the piano from other strings, as below.
Other notes from Gazelle:
C3:
Eye to copper = 171mm
Copper length = 1062mm
Steel = 87
Copper = 135
Steel & copper As per sample
D3:
Eye to copper = 149mm
Copper length = 1017mm
Steel = 87
Copper = 144
C#3 also broke - no measurements with me or on Gazelle
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Malcolm Lunt
7th-year apprentice (Raymond Cugnolio)
5th-year fulltime tuner technician
Pretoria, South Africa
IG: @that_autistic_piano_guy
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Original Message:
Sent: 07-19-2022 19:30
From: Floyd Gadd
Subject: Samick
I'm curious. What are the specs you have been using in making these strings? -- speaking length, core diameter and total diameter with wrap?
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Floyd Gadd RPT
Regina SK
(306) 502-9103
Original Message:
Sent: 07-19-2022 13:19
From: Wim Blees
Subject: Samick
If strings are breaking just getting them up to pitch, you might have the wrong size string. Next time go up one gauge.
Often times customers tell us they don't have the money for the work you want to do. Explain that the problems they are having is because you're not doing what is necessary work to take care of the problems.
Wim.
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Original Message:
Sent: 7/19/2022 11:33:00 AM
From: Raymond Cugnolio
Subject: RE: Samick
Thanks for the advice but let me further elaborate.
This piano was in a private home and had not been played much or serviced in years.
When we got to the piano it was sitting at A=435. One string broke while doing a pitch raise.
We make our own strings... South Africa is far from everything!
We did an evaluation as well and the piano needed quite a bit of action work, regulation, servicing, lubricating and voicing. However the client said he does not have money and only wants the string replaced.
We made quite a few subsequent trips and every time one or other of these notes would break a string. As far as we can tell these where the original strings supplied by Samick. We checked the seating and the angle from the afgraffe. We tried various adjustments to both copper size and steel but with no joy.
It is actually very obvious to feel the string getting to its maximum tension as you get to its correct pitch and then .... bang!
I
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Raymond Cugnolio
owner
Pretoria
27-82-342-4668
Original Message:
Sent: 07-19-2022 10:44
From: Wim Blees
Subject: Samick
I don't think the problem is with the piano. In most instances where the same strings break on a piano is because the player is very heavy handed. Sometimes reducing blow distance and reducing keydip will help. But most of the time teaching the piano player how to play, instead of pound, the piano is the only solution.
Original Message:
Sent: 7/19/2022 2:12:00 AM
From: Raymond Cugnolio
Subject: Samick
We have a customer who has a Samick G185.
The first wound bass strings before the break keep on breaking and we have tried different combinations of copper and steel but nothing helps.
Is there a particular problem with this model and can you give us the specs for these The notes are B3,C3,C#3, and D3
thankyou
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Raymond Cugnolio
owner
Pretoria
27-82-342-4668
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