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snugging up loose harpsichord tuning pins

  • 1.  snugging up loose harpsichord tuning pins

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 28 days ago

    Greetings,

    I am no expert at harpsichord servicing, but do have three in my care here at CalArts.

    One of them has developed a loose tuning pin. I am advised that the prevailing fix for this is to remove the pin and add a paper shim inside the hole.

    In the early, "dark" days of my career as a piano tech, that is what I was taught to do to fix a loose pin on piano (only with sandpaper). Ever since someone out there "discovered" the utility of using thin CA glue for this fix instead, which is much less labor intensive, that has been my SOP. 

    Wondering if anyone has either tried this on a harpsichord, or can think of a compelling reason NOT to try it.

    Thanks,

    Alan



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    Alan Eder, RPT
    Herb Alpert School of Music
    California Institute of the Arts
    Valencia, CA
    661.904.6483
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  • 2.  RE: snugging up loose harpsichord tuning pins

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 28 days ago
    Make a shim out of thin veneer that is wider at top than the bottom. Top should go 1/2 diameter at top, and about 1/2 that at the bottom. Place shim where pin pushes on it.





  • 3.  RE: snugging up loose harpsichord tuning pins

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 28 days ago

    Hadn't heard about using veneer for this before. Thanks Jim!



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    Alan Eder, RPT
    Herb Alpert School of Music
    California Institute of the Arts
    Valencia, CA
    661.904.6483
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  • 4.  RE: snugging up loose harpsichord tuning pins

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 28 days ago

    FWIW, I restrung several instruments under Bill Dowd's supervision some time back. He insisted on using shims of archival, acid free, rag paper. We put it in the holes exactly as Fred suggests above. Never had a problem with it. Glue will seep into the wood around the pin and stain it, I would think. 



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    --Dave


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  • 5.  RE: snugging up loose harpsichord tuning pins

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 28 days ago

    "…archival, acid-free rag paper…." Who knew?!?!  Thanks Dave!



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    Alan Eder, RPT
    Herb Alpert School of Music
    California Institute of the Arts
    Valencia, CA
    661.904.6483
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  • 6.  RE: snugging up loose harpsichord tuning pins

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 28 days ago
    Most paper, especially newsprint,  has a fair amount of acid in it, and for this reason will disintegrate with time. Rag paper will probably be cotton fibers rather than wood, and last longer. So that's good advice (but I don't happen to have any handy).

    I have put regular old paper in quite a few tuning pin holes, and they have held fine during my lifetime so far :-) But I like the attention to detail.

    Regards,
    Fred Sturm
    "One's real life is so often the life that one does not lead" (Oscar Wilde)






  • 7.  RE: snugging up loose harpsichord tuning pins

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 27 days ago
    It will stain. I know...

    Jim


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  • 8.  RE: snugging up loose harpsichord tuning pins

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 28 days ago
    I haven't done CA on harpsichords (as in applying it at the base of the pin) because they have open-faced pin blocks, and it would be unsightly. If that isn't a consideration, I don't see a reason not to, although I'll note that many harpsichords have a layer of spruce on top of their maple soundboard for aesthetic reasons. The spruce is liable to absorb a lot of the CA before it gets down to the maple.

    An alternative is to remove the pin and swab the hole with CA (pipe cleaner), then reinsert pin. I have done this on pianos (where the area around the base of the pin was impeded by application of thicker CA), and it was successful.

    Applying a shim, either paper or veneer, a challenge is to keep the shim from being forced into the hole when you tap in the pin. I fold over a bit of the top of the shim, to keep the rest of the shim from being pulled in, then trim it away from around the base of the pin.

    Regards,
    Fred Sturm
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    http://fredsturm.net
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  • 9.  RE: snugging up loose harpsichord tuning pins

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 28 days ago

    Illuminating as always, Fred. Thanks!



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    Alan Eder, RPT
    Herb Alpert School of Music
    California Institute of the Arts
    Valencia, CA
    661.904.6483
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  • 10.  RE: snugging up loose harpsichord tuning pins

    Posted 28 days ago

    What has not been specified here is whether the pin is a historic smooth tapered pin or a modern zither pin.

    With historic smooth pins the paper shim makes a beautifully tightened pin, very nice to tune. I would hesitate to use CA glue on a historic pin.

    I have no experience repairing loose zither pins on harpsichords. CA swabbing might be fine. But remember that harpsichords don't need high torque.



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    Ed Sutton
    ed440@me.com
    (980) 254-7413
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  • 11.  RE: snugging up loose harpsichord tuning pins

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 27 days ago

    Good point, Ed, about failure to specify which pin type. My bad. It is historical tapered (no threads or becket hole, for those just joining our program already in progress).



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    Alan Eder, RPT
    Herb Alpert School of Music
    California Institute of the Arts
    Valencia, CA
    661.904.6483
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  • 12.  RE: snugging up loose harpsichord tuning pins

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 27 days ago
    For tapered pins one typically simply taps them in a bit. Hence the T tuning "hammer" (hard surface on one or both ends of the T). If that doesn't suffice, you need to remove the pin, with the complication of keeping the coil taut and hence attached while inserting a paper shim (best done with an assistant perhaps). 





  • 13.  RE: snugging up loose harpsichord tuning pins

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 27 days ago

    Perhaps I misunderstood Ed. These smooth pins are tapered for the bottom few millimeters, but not along their entire length.



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    Alan Eder, RPT
    Herb Alpert School of Music
    California Institute of the Arts
    Valencia, CA
    661.904.6483
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  • 14.  RE: snugging up loose harpsichord tuning pins

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 27 days ago
    Yes, those supposedly tapered pins that came in Zuckermann kit instruments. They are very problematic, and tapping is not very helpful. I have an instrument that had them, and I simply drilled out the holes and put in zither pins. I have seen truly tapered pins, and tapping is effective with them. But with the pins you're describing, Alan, you need to address the hole.





  • 15.  RE: snugging up loose harpsichord tuning pins

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 27 days ago
    The key to stopping the shim from pushing down into the hole is one drop of CA left to dry for a couple minutes or so. 



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