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Manufacturing plectra

  • 1.  Manufacturing plectra

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-28-2015 21:57
    I ran across this very interesting post about manufacturing delrin plectra on Facebook, HARPSICHORD - CEMBALO - CLAVECIN - KLAVECYMBEL group, posted by harpsichord maker Michael Peter Johnson.
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/2386034163/permalink/10152881322484164/

    I'd be curious to know how others manufacture their plectra.

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    Fred Sturm
    University of New Mexico
    fssturm@unm.edu
    http://fredsturm.net
    http://www.artoftuning.com
    "We either make ourselves happy or miserable. The amount of work is the same." - Carlos Casteneda
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    Michael Peter Johnson
    Michael Peter Johnson


  • 2.  RE: Manufacturing plectra

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-29-2015 14:45
    I would love to try out his plectra. It would be nice to put together his manufacturing setup but I'm afraid it would be a while before I get around to attempting it. Tapering in such a fashion makes good sense from a standpoint of consistency. I bet they are easy to voice and get the consistency we all strive for.

    Although not quite the same as having the taper go through the tongue, I learned a voicing trick from a voicer at the Dowd shop years ago. When we taper the bottom of the plectra with a scalpel there is a little bit of the original thickness just before the plectra enters the tongue. He showed us how he shaves just a bit of that original thickness by shaving towards the tongue. I have found this method to be useful when I want to take down the stiffness of the plectra instead of continuing to shave in the normal outward fashion or tapering the sides more.

    The new Instrument Workshop site is up and running. There is a brief description on Delrin and Celcon that is helpful:

    http://www.fortepiano.com/index.php/products-menu-item/plectra-menu-item/plectra-materials-menu-item

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  • 3.  RE: Manufacturing plectra

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-29-2015 19:26
    Just saw that their site was up and saw this exact article.
    (Hi Don! Hi Fred!)

    :}
    Michelle

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    Michelle Stranges
    Western Washington University
    Bellingham, WA
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  • 4.  RE: Manufacturing plectra

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-30-2015 13:25
    Great to see Instrument Workshop back up and running!

    I think the method of Michael Peter Johnson is especially good for wooden tongues, giving the plectra a good, solid fit in the mortise. That 2 degree taper seems pretty slight to effect voicing that much, though it is a step in the right direction. Wooden mortises tend to be a snug friction fit on all sides of the plectrum.

    Fit of plectra to mortises is always a bit of an issue, especially with the oversized ones in plastic tongues like Hubbard and Zuckermann. I tend to use 0.021" or so thick plectra, and it looks like you could fit a 0.035" one in the slot. The result is that the plectrum is bearing only on the sides, and it can tend to skew/angle itself within the slot and be a bit off horizontal. If the sides of the plectra aren't rough, there is a tendency for them to slip in the mortise - sometimes pre-cut plectra are a bit wide, and need to have their side(s) trimmed to enter the mortise far enough, and if I trim a bit, I leave the side smooth, as a result it will be more apt to slip out. You have to really press them tightly in place in that case.

    My guess is that the pre-cuts offered by Hubbard, Zuckermann and Instrument Workshop are "clipped" (take a strip the right width and cut tapered pieces using a guillotine or the like). I've made them from strips using flush cut nippers. The results are not generally stellar (not to mention that they tend to want to fly across the room at the moment they are cut through).

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    Fred Sturm
    University of New Mexico
    fssturm@unm.edu
    http://fredsturm.net
    http://www.artoftuning.com
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  • 5.  RE: Manufacturing plectra

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-30-2015 14:05
    I guess I'd also add that it is better that the sides of the plectrum be tapered less in the portion entering the mortise, so that more surface touches the sides of the mortise. I think Johnson's are actually parallel sided (viewed from the tip). Then you taper the sides (bring to to more of a point) after it is installed. And then you thin the bottom.

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    Fred Sturm
    University of New Mexico
    fssturm@unm.edu
    http://fredsturm.net
    http://www.artoftuning.com
    "We either make ourselves happy or miserable. The amount of work is the same." - Carlos Casteneda
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  • 6.  RE: Manufacturing plectra

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-31-2015 10:07
    I am not sure where I picked up my method for cutting and installing plectra but it may have been from Don Angle and/or Bill Dowd. Back in the late 80's I took the IC Dowd to the Dowd shop for extensive repairs. When I went back to pick it up I was fortunate to spend a couple of days at the shop picking up tips on regulating and voicing. It was a little intimidating when Bill Dowd pulled out a bunch of jacks, pulled out the plectra and told me to put in new plectra and voice evenly with the rest!

    Instrument Workshop sells Delrin by the 1/2" strip. I then cut thin strips (close to the tongue mortice width) along the length. Holding the cut strip with the curl going up I use a nipper to cut a taper on the end, insert into the tongue and then cut the strip at the back of the tongue. It is a bit tricky to cut the taper just right. If it is wrong it will skew/angle just like you mentioned. I have not had problems with the plectra working its way out when using this method. I have had problems with pre-cut plectra.

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  • 7.  RE: Manufacturing plectra

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-31-2015 10:43
    How do you cut your narrow strip from the 1/2" wide strip? (BTW, I think Instrument Workshop now cuts its strips the other way, so the "grain" is across the width, and so you would want to cut across rather than a strip).

    I have cut strips, but have found it quite difficult to cut and to do so with a consistent width. It's a nice technique once you have a strip, and I just make enough taper to insert the strip into the mortise by using flush cut nippers (end nippers), just one nip making it narrow enough to insert (a second cut if it wasn't quite enough), use the same nippers to cut the back, then trim with the scalpel blade to make the tapers even. But I found it so frustrating to cut the strips that I gave up: tried Olfa rotary cutter, various scissors, chisel, etc. I imagine I just didn't think of exactly the right tool and method. I'd really like to have a good technique to do that, as I think it is one of the best methods.

    I rarely have the problem of a plectrum slipping out, but it only takes one, kind of like the one jack on a grand that skips off the knuckle. So I get paranoid ;-)

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    Fred Sturm
    University of New Mexico
    fssturm@unm.edu
    http://fredsturm.net
    http://www.artoftuning.com
    "We either make ourselves happy or miserable. The amount of work is the same." - Carlos Casteneda
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  • 8.  RE: Manufacturing plectra

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-31-2015 11:46
    Hmm... According the the web page at Instrument Workshop, the grain runs along the length for the strips:

    http://www.fortepiano.com/index.php/products-menu-item/plectra-menu-item/plectra-sheets-menu-item

    I have tried two methods for cutting the strips and it is indeed difficult. The first is the one you tried with the Olfa cutter. The trick with that method is finding a good way to clamp the strip. I did not come up with the perfect means to do that.

    The second method I tried is cutting the strip on a band saw. The shop at IC had a Delta and I put a fine blade on for the strips. Yes, there is waste with this method but I could control the cut a bit better than using the Olfa cutter. I used a block of wood as a makeshift fence to help guide it through. With a helping hand on the other end pulling evenly while I pushed produced a good strip. After a few practice runs of course.

    The next time I get a complete quilling job I will need to purchase more strips to cut. Perhaps I can come up with a jig to help cut the strips either with the Olfa cutter or band saw.



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  • 9.  RE: Manufacturing plectra

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-31-2015 12:19
    Hmm, I remember asking some supplier about strip delrin, and being told they were cutting the 1/2" strips the other way. Maybe it was Zuckermann. I know the strips I bought several years back from Lutz were "along the grain," which meant you had to cut narrower strips (and you would want to cut them that way anyway, if only for the curvature).

    Why doesn't anyone sell strips the width you need? Starting from a sheet, it wouldn't be so hard to cut narrow strips. When you start with 1/2" wide, the clamping issue becomes ridiculous, especially after you have cut one strip and now you have 3/8" or less to try to hold down firmly and precisely.

    Band saw seems doable, though. That hadn't occurred to me. A mini table saw with a Dremel circular saw blade would be ideal ;-)

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    Fred Sturm
    University of New Mexico
    fssturm@unm.edu
    http://fredsturm.net
    http://www.artoftuning.com
    "We either make ourselves happy or miserable. The amount of work is the same." - Carlos Casteneda
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  • 10.  RE: Manufacturing plectra

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-31-2015 12:40
    Ah Ha! You just might have something there with the mini table saw!

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  • 11.  RE: Manufacturing plectra

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-31-2015 13:14
    I see Instrument Workshop now sells "pieces", 1.5" x 6" as well as strips. That seems like a better bet, much easier to figure out a way to cut it. And the paper cutter method David mentioned would seem ideal with this kind of size.The clamping was the big issue, since whatever you use to cut it, you put so much pressure on it it wants to slide, and it's slippery material. I've never been fond of pre-cut plectra, but in the past few years have just gone with it for lack of time and patience to do something else.

    Oops, but now I look again and see that in these pieces, the grain is along the width (maybe that's where I got the mistaken idea about the strip grain). But maybe I could request them to be cut the other way. Or I could just cut across the width, and have 1.5" strips, enough for 2 - 3 plectra each (or 5 - 6 for 4'). That is probably the simplest solution, as making a short cut like that would be fairly easy to do, maybe just using fine shears.

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    Fred Sturm
    University of New Mexico
    fssturm@unm.edu
    http://fredsturm.net
    http://www.artoftuning.com
    "We either make ourselves happy or miserable. The amount of work is the same." - Carlos Casteneda
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  • 12.  RE: Manufacturing plectra

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-31-2015 14:00
    I thought I'd paste the text from Johnson's Facebook post here, just for the record. There are a few very interesting observations. One is that he says the delrin he gets has no grain. Another is the Proxxon model maker's saw, which seems like the dremel tool I was fantasizing about. Here's one I found on Amazon only $129. I think it is essentially the same as what he uses (his model is K230, this is K115, which I think must be voltage).

    ANOTHER APPROACH TO MAKING PLECTRA FOR A HARPSICHORD.
    I get asked many times about how I go about making plectra and having just gone through the action of one of my double manuals, I photographed making the plectra for that instrument. I have put together a few words of description, not my strong point I'm afraid, but I will be glad to explain any queries you might have. Hopefully the pictures will do that for me.
    There are many ways of converting harpsichord plectra from sheet delrin. Some makers punch from the sheet, some guillotine but I engineer mine to create a taper to the underside of the plectra. I find a tapered plectrum not only enables a firm final setting into the tongue, it also produces a better shape to the final attack on the string which I feel does have an effect on the tonal vowel sound.
    This means the material you start with needs to be thicker than you are ever going to finally use so I start with sheet 1mm thick bought by the square meter. That sheet is then reduced for ease of storage into sections 90mm x 280mm and from 90mm width I cut strips 18mm wide that will produce a combe of approximately 100 plectra.
    Delrin is manufactured in graded quality and the highest grade should be purchased. I took advice on this from the firm that supplied me, an engineering company specialising in injection moulding and lathe turning that product. The material they supplied had a perfect surface to both sides, was accurate to the fraction of a mm and showed no sign of grain or rolling. I mention this because it has been long thought by makers that delrin has a grain and that should be correctly directed down the length of the plectra. There was no trace of grain on my material and on questioning the engineer he replied he was not aware of a grain factor with the quality they had supplied. I must say in his favour that seems to be the case and I have had no ill effects of sound or durability from test I have done with my supply making plectra in both directions.
    I use a PROXXON model maker's circular saw for engineering the taper on the strips that will produce a combe of plectra, an ideal tool for this job. First you need to create an accurate wood backing block that has the taper you require, for me that is 2 degrees. I have 6 blocks made from lime and after working six stripes of the delrin at a time. I use 8mm double sided sticky tape for all of the processes engineering the plectra so for the first stage a 18mm strip of delrin is firmly placed on the wooden block so the taper can be cut from the Proxxon saw. You will notice from the pictures I use a wooden fence to the blade. I was advised by the delrin engineer to create and angle on the fence away from the back of the blade so that only the front teeth on the saw blade were cutting the material, in a sort of fly cutter action. Advice that I found very helpful as no heat is created at all and the operation is achieved with great accuracy. I usually make four cuts adjusting the fence with a tap from a light hammer. When you have finished machining the angled saw cut to the thickness you need for your plectra you will need to clean the face of that tooling a little. This job I find works better using a file technique of three grades of wet and dry abrasive, 240 - 400 - and finally 800 grit. In order to assure you are going to keep controlled flatness I have glued the abrasive paper onto 7mm MDF board turning them into little very fine files.
    When that work is completed the delrin is removed from the wood blocks and any remains of the double sided sticky tape is clean off. The lime backing blocks can then be re-surfaced on the shop main saw for their next use, so that set of blocks will produce a few thousand plectra.
    The pictures will show the lime backing pieces I make to take you into the final stage of producing the combe of plectra. The sticky tape this time is placed immediately above the scribe line and that has been made to leave the amount of plectra length you need to fit into the tongue. That scribe line and the relief cut behind it will allow the wood to clear away as you cut each plectra, again the pictures will show that better than words can explain.

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    Fred Sturm
    University of New Mexico
    fssturm@unm.edu
    http://fredsturm.net
    http://www.artoftuning.com
    "We either make ourselves happy or miserable. The amount of work is the same." - Carlos Casteneda
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  • 13.  RE: Manufacturing plectra

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-31-2015 12:31
    I actually use an old school paper cutter, you can fix a straight edge to the cutter bed and then make a stop so you cut the right width. If you make two straight edges at an angle you can cut tapered plectra fairly easily.


    ---Dave




  • 14.  RE: Manufacturing plectra

    Posted 03-31-2015 19:04
    How about a laser cutter:
    http://www.micromark.com/SearchResult.aspx?deptIdFilter=0&searchPhrase=laser+cutter

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    Jon Page


  • 15.  RE: Manufacturing plectra

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-31-2015 20:32
    Just a wee bit pricey at $2K.

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    Fred Sturm
    University of New Mexico
    fssturm@unm.edu
    http://fredsturm.net
    http://www.artoftuning.com
    "We either make ourselves happy or miserable. The amount of work is the same." - Carlos Casteneda
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  • 16.  RE: Manufacturing plectra

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 04-01-2015 08:59
    I received the new Micro-Mark catalog yesterday and saw this:

    http://www.micromark.com/duplicate-it,9546.html

    They have 2 table saws. This one similar to the Proxxon:

    http://www.micromark.com/microlux-miniature-table-saw,6936.html

    And the more expensive model:

    http://www.micromark.com/microlux-miniature-table-saw,6936.html

    The blade plates would be useful when cutting Delrin strips.

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  • 17.  RE: Manufacturing plectra

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 04-01-2015 09:27

    On Wednesday, April 01, 2015, Donald McKechnie wrote:

    > ... new Micro-Mark catalog yesterday and saw this:

    > They have 2 table saws. This one similar to the Proxxon:..


    Don, you missed one... and it's on special right now too!! :)

    (I'm only smiling because of the price; I think it might cut really nice plectra blanks if one could get the bevels right)... sigh...


    http://www.micromark.com/microlux-laserknife-2525-laser-cutter-engraving-machine,11921.html


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    Regards,


    Alan B. Crane, RPT

    ~Registered Piano Technician~

    316-681-2267

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  • 18.  RE: Manufacturing plectra

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 04-01-2015 09:40

    On Wednesday, April 01, 2015, Alan Crane wrote:

    > Don, you missed one...


    Oooops, sorry for wasting bandwidth, etc...

    Guess I ought to have read the stuff from yesterday first. :(


    Thanks for the thread, folks; very timely and informative!!


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    Regards,


    Alan B. Crane, RPT

    ~Registered Piano Technician~

    316-681-2267

    alan2crane@gmail.com






  • 19.  RE: Manufacturing plectra

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 04-17-2015 10:51

    On Wednesday, April 01, 2015, Alan Crane wrote:

    > Don, you missed one...


    Oooops, sorry for wasting bandwidth, etc...

    Guess I ought to have read the stuff from yesterday first. :(


    Thanks for the thread, folks; very timely and informative!!


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    Regards,


    Alan B. Crane, RPT

    ~Registered Piano Technician~

    316-681-2267

    alan2crane@gmail.com






  • 20.  RE: Manufacturing plectra

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 04-17-2015 13:52

    Is it only me, or did everyone (again, today) receive two posts I made to this list on 4-1-15??

    I apologized for unwittingly wasting bandwidth (and people's time) with those posts on Apr. 1st.

    This time, it's not my fault...

    Just another great feature of this fabulous new professional social-media-style forum system with which we're currently blessed? :)


    Happy Friday, everyone!


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    Alan B. Crane, RPT

    ~Registered Piano Technician~

    316-681-2267

    alan2crane@gmail.com






  • 21.  RE: Manufacturing plectra

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 04-18-2015 08:40
    Hi Alan, I did not receive the post again. However, this same sort of reposting has been sent to me in the past. Ah, technology! Don ------------------------------------------- [Don] [McKechnie,] [RPT] [Piano Technician] [dmckech@ithaca.edu] [Home 607.277.7112] -------------------------------------------


  • 22.  RE: Manufacturing plectra

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 04-02-2015 20:32
    Lots of cool new tools to buy (if only I had space to put them).

    Thinking all this over, and being in my shop with a requill job to do, I noticed my shears hanging on the wall. I didn't have these until maybe 2-3 years ago, never considered them for stripping delrin. They are a sort of smaller scale tin snips, more in the design of scissors, with cutting edges about 1.5 inches long. One blade is somewhat serrated, so it grabs the material, the other is smooth. So I tried using it on delrin, and it works like a charm. 

    Bottom line, I cut pieces about 6-8 inches long out of my long 1/2 inch wide strips. I measure and mark 2.3 mm (approximately - more than 2 mm, less than 2.5) with a thin tipped sharpie. I then use a straight edge to draw lines (on the non-glossy side). Follow those lines carefully with the shears. Presto! easily made strips. 

    I then make a taper clip with flush cut end nippers, insert, cut off the rest of the strip at the back of the tongue with the same nippers. The serrated cut means a bit better grip in the over sized mortise of the tongue. I'd guess the mortise is at least 0.030" tall, while the material I am using is 0.021". Hence, the plectrum sits a bit angled in the mortise, which I don't like but have to live with.

    Richard Kingston's mortises on the older instrument of his that I service are just about a precise fit, maybe 0.022". A pain to remove a broken plectrum, because in that iteration he didn't have a cross slot, just a single horizontal mortise. But the plectrum is held firmly and solidly. Hubbard and Zuckermann mortises, with cross mortises for ease of removal, are way too wide, IMO, but nothing I can do about it other than work with it. Most of the instruments I deal with use those jacks/tongues.

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    Fred Sturm
    University of New Mexico
    fssturm@unm.edu
    http://fredsturm.net
    http://www.artoftuning.com
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  • 23.  RE: Manufacturing plectra

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 04-03-2015 09:02
    Fred,

    Could you post a picture of the snips and do you remember where you purchased them?

    Thanks

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  • 24.  RE: Manufacturing plectra

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    Posted 04-03-2015 10:21
    I don't know where I got them, probably Home Depot. Here is one. They are pretty common these days.

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    Fred Sturm
    University of New Mexico
    fssturm@unm.edu
    http://fredsturm.net
    http://www.artoftuning.com
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  • 25.  RE: Manufacturing plectra

    Posted 04-04-2015 11:09
    This looks similar..1/2 the price + free shipping

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Aviation-Tin-Snips-Sheet-Metal-Straight-Cut-Heavy-Duty-Shear-Scissors-Tool-/261635493847?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3ceab0cfd7

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    Coe College
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  • 26.  RE: Manufacturing plectra

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 04-04-2015 11:51
    Richard,
    That is the classic "tin snips" configuration. You might get it to work, but it is harder to see and control a cut that needs to be within .2 mm in accuracy. The snips/shears I am talking about have blades that look like short scissors, but one of them has a serrated edge, the other a smooth sharp one. Easier to see what you are doing, easier to control. Here's another. I guess the most common trade term is "multi purpose snips" or something along those lines. I have a couple different ones, neither of which has any brand or model ID on it. One of them has a small semi-circular cutout on one of the blades near the hinge, I guess for wire.

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    Fred Sturm
    University of New Mexico
    fssturm@unm.edu
    http://fredsturm.net
    http://www.artoftuning.com
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  • 27.  RE: Manufacturing plectra

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 04-05-2015 13:52
    I stopped by Home Depot and Lowe's to look for the smaller tin snips as my old larger snips are way over the hill. I could not find the smaller snips but I did find these at Lowe's:

    http://www.lowes.com/pd_382000-16600-18039_0__?Ntt=clauss+shop+snip&UserSearch=clauss+shop+snip&productId=3592250&rpp=32

    They worked very well in cutting strips from a .024 thick strip of Delrin.



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  • 28.  RE: Manufacturing plectra

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    Posted 04-06-2015 14:07
    I should probably switch to .024" delrin. It would fit the mortises better. I've just been lazy, not wanting to remove as much material. At one point I loved the idea of using the different available thicknesses, .017, .019, .021 to graduate the voicing. Except the thinner stuff really didn't fit the mortises well at all, and you really had to jam it in to be sure it would stay, which distorted the plectrum.

    The instrument I am currently requilling (well, I am done with that, but it has another register with peau de buffle, which I have to try to even out, not a fun job as it is very inconsistent in stiffness) someone had put in .017 celcon, just cutting it off and doing no voicing. I've seen two or three other instruments like that. A very wimpy sound and a spongy feel.
    Regards,
    Fred Sturm
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  • 29.  RE: Manufacturing plectra

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    Posted 04-07-2015 15:18
    This is the first time I have heard/seen the use of Celcon/Delrin for peau de buffle. All those I have seen or read about have been leather. Is the Celcon original for this instrument? With a .017 plectra I'm sure you can get a soft sound but it will not have the same tonal spectrum as leather.

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  • 30.  RE: Manufacturing plectra

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    Posted 04-07-2015 15:28
    One register is celcon, the other 8' is leather. I don't approve, but it is the way the instrument was set up, made by someone in Santa Fe in 1977. The celcon I replaced with delrin. The leather I will fuss with and try to make it even. Not very good quality material or workmanship on the leather plectra, but no budget to replace. I've worked with leather from time to time, never got very good chops at it.

    It seems like you do your best to make it consistent before insertion, and there is not that much to be done beyond length and maybe massage thereafter. But we'll see. I might manage to place a plectrum in such a way that its side can be supported on a block, then use a sharp chisel to make the angle more acute as needed. But this is soft, spongy leather, very short, so I don't know how it will go.

    Any advise based on experience would be appreciated.

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    Fred Sturm
    University of New Mexico
    fssturm@unm.edu
    http://fredsturm.net
    http://www.artoftuning.com
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  • 31.  RE: Manufacturing plectra

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    Posted 04-07-2015 19:31
    I have not had much experience with leather but what I have done has been either rewarding or not so much. The trick is finding good leather for plectra. I did find good leather about 20+ years ago when I did a complete replacement on a Sperrhake. Unfortunately that source is no longer available. I recently purchased the hard leather from Instrument Workshop and will be doing some experimenting with the sheet. Pertaining to this thread, I will be looking for the best way to cut the sheet.

    Voicing a short, spongy leather plectra is hard. I am curious to know if your idea of coming from the side is helpful. Cutting spongy leather is a challenge and any blade has to be really sharp. This may be totally silly and not useful but how about a jig that supports the plectra on 3 sides. When you have the jack inverted, the bottom and the sides are supported. File the sides to the taper you want and then use a very sharp scalpel blade to taper the leather following the sides of the jig. Yes I know, it would have to be a very small jig and difficult to make but if it works you might get some nice consistency.

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  • 32.  RE: Manufacturing plectra

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    Posted 04-08-2015 10:01
    Don,

    What is your source for leather for plectra?  Do you buy a chunk locally or do you order from a harpsichord supply house? What kind of leather is good for plectra?  Is there a grain or smoothness or grade that works best?  I've never worked with leather plectra but I do have a harpsichord that needs some replacement plectra and so I'm interested in finding a source and getting some pointers on working with the material.

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  • 33.  RE: Manufacturing plectra

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    Posted 04-08-2015 14:19
    Hi Richard,

    Finding a good hard leather has been a challenge for me lately but the sheet I just got from Instrument Workshop looks pretty good. I need to find a good way to cut and size the sheet but it looks promising. The leather plectra from Hubbard and Zuckermann are only good for a peau de buffle register. I have tried a couple of leather sources but so far no luck. There is one more shoe repair store in my area that I have yet to visit. I really miss the source I had years ago!

    Don

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  • 34.  RE: Manufacturing plectra

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    Posted 04-09-2015 18:05

    Ooohhh... this sounds like a challenge for me to figure out!

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  • 35.  RE: Manufacturing plectra

    Posted 04-03-2015 10:28
    Fred,
     Can these be shimmed some how, either before or adding an shim insert to
    the plectra? I'm not sure what would work, perhaps thin micro mylar sanding
    paper. It would have some grip too, on one side. I'm not sure the thickness...
    but guess the math would be easy enough to do...you need something .009
    right? Maybe a hobby store would have something, or in nylon? 

    I haven't looked localy , but not found anything exactly .009 online. I don't
    suppose .009 tape would work?

    It sounds like you need to size the mortise.

    I"m having a similar problem on a converted Neupert. I guess I need
    to refine what was done there, as the delrin tips I have tend to
    be at an angle, too and this does affect the sound of the pluck.

    Good luck,
    Richard








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  • 36.  RE: Manufacturing plectra

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    Posted 04-17-2015 10:51

    On Wednesday, April 01, 2015, Donald McKechnie wrote:

    > ... new Micro-Mark catalog yesterday and saw this:

    > They have 2 table saws. This one similar to the Proxxon:..


    Don, you missed one... and it's on special right now too!! :)

    (I'm only smiling because of the price; I think it might cut really nice plectra blanks if one could get the bevels right)... sigh...


    http://www.micromark.com/microlux-laserknife-2525-laser-cutter-engraving-machine,11921.html


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  • 37.  RE: Manufacturing plectra

    Posted 04-18-2015 08:25
    I like the way the tube from the cutter head spells out:  J A M - Hm.m.m.m.m   Michael UK

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  • 38.  RE: Manufacturing plectra

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    Posted 04-01-2015 08:46
    Thanks David, I will have to try this the next time I visit my wife's office.

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