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  • Posted in: Pianotech

    Benjamin -- A pitch raise and a fine tuning are two different procedures. You do a pitch raise to bring the piano up to pitch and equalize the tension across the soundboard and plate, then you do a fine tuning. The end result, if you have provided a ...

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    Hi Terry, I was referring to our past discussion of whether two separate passes for a pitch raise and tuning, or one combined pitch raise / tuning. (Think CyberTuner's Smart Tune Mode or Verituner's equivalent.) Regardless of which method you choose ...

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    I'm having a bit of trouble following exactly what you are doing. Like most have stated, I do a pitch raise and tuning in one sitting and then tell the customer that the piano will tend to be a bit unstable and that the piano will likely go out of tune ...

  • Posted in: CAUT

    ​​ We have some very exciting news for piano tuners around the world.  The first ever Mid Pacific Piano Tuners Conference will be held in Honolulu, Hawaii, October 22 – 25, 2018. Please go to Mid Pacific Conference for information about the Conference ...

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    RE: Punching Organizer

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    you can use empty prescription bottles or purchase clear plastic containers with screw on lids. for center pins i use the old canisters that camera film came in. i do not keep anything in the original envelopes because moisture and humidity can effect ...

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    RE: Follow Up Tunings

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    Many pianos will hold just fine after a pitch raise, some, and depending on the amount of the raise, will be less stable.  I always seek to stabilize a piano as well as I can after a pitch raise.  That means multiple passes and especially a final check ...

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    RE: Mold?

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    Looks like mold to me. Mold does not always smell. Some of the most dangerous molds have no smell at all. Effectively cleaning mold out of pianos is extremley difficult....spores hidden in the cloth/leather typically grow back later when conditions ...

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    RE: Punching Organizer

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    When I first started tuning, I bought a parts cabinet from one of the supply houses that has a door on the front that closes and latches to keep the drawers from coming out while it is carried. I then string the punchings onto pipe cleaners and mark the ...

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    Nick, We recently "took it to the next level" in the realm of center pin and paper punching storage, with an idea that came my way from Neema Pazargad (who got it form Don Mannino, RPT, at a Kawai seminar). There are some inexpensive storage containers, ...

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    As far as stability, there's no way to guarantee that after a pitch raise of 40 cents. It depends.. how stable the environment is (changes in temp and humidity), the age of the piano/strings, your overall skill level to deal with various aspects of the ...

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    Thanks for the input all! Much appreciated. Here's the conditions of our theoretical situation. You find the piano at -40 cents and there about. After two passes, the piano is as stable as you can make it on that trip. (As far as its flat, take as many ...

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    I, too, agree with what David has said. Pitch raise or no, leave the piano at pitch and in tune when you leave. What is missing from this conversation is how big a pitch adjustment is being considered. If it's only 20¢ or 30¢ then a pitch raise immediately ...

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    It's bass ackwards Robert. Lol ------Original Message------ "Shrick bit houses", Chris? Bob Anderson Tucson, AZ

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    "Shrick bit houses", Chris? Bob Anderson Tucson, AZ ------Original Message------ Mehlin and Sons  pianos that i have rebuilt were built like shrick bit houses. I have developed a nickname for Paul Mehlin, I have always thought of him as Mr. Patent.Pending.  ...

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    I think it is a common business practice to charge a minimum fee, Scott. I charge a minimum of one hour's labor (or one tuning). It takes time to drive to and from the appointment. Of course there are always exceptions. If I can solve a problem in 10 ...

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    What David said. I've come across pianos where the tech did a pitch raise, but the client didn't have the follow up tuning. Obviously, they didn't think much of the tech, which is why they called me. Paul McCloud SAn Diego My preference is to leave ...

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    My preference is to leave the piano sounding very good after one visit, with the expectation that stability will be reasonably good considering the big pitch change and that it will, with subsequent regular tunings, get even better. I explain to the customer ...

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    After a pitch adjustment, I tell the owner that the piano is now in a position to be tuned. I say it's like you can't wax a dirty floor, we just swept/washed it. It is an appreciable tuning but the polish comes from a re-application in a week or so. Even ...

  • Posted in: Pianotech

    The brand makes good trays.  The lid has matching forms to meet the dividers so no modifications are necessary to prevent the punchings from migrating.   I also decided to go small, partly because it's easier to pack smaller trays, but also because when ...

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    For a huge pitch raise, I always recommend another tuning in about a month. Nothing will hold less than a huge pitch adjustment. I will charge a regular tuning fee rather than the added cost of a pitch raise and tuning as I have to run through it ...

  • Posted in: Pianotech

    Hello All, Situation: You just raised the pitch on a piano. Aurally or electronically, it doesn't matter. The piano is now at 440. Do you recommend a follow up tuning? If so, do you do it then, or wait a few weeks? I've heard arguments from both sides ...

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    Thanks everyone for responding, all these answers have been very helpful. What an amazing community is growing up here! ------------------------------ Nicholas Litterski, RPT Austin TX 512-573-8920 ------------------------------

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    This brand is very impressive, Zeno. After my stuff was stolen, I spent some time searching locally and found some pretty nice ones at Cabellas. One of my big goal was to GO SMALL! I just put one of those blue shop (thick) work towels (cut to fit) - or ...

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    Mehlin and Sons  pianos that i have rebuilt were built like shrick bit houses. I have developed a nickname for Paul Mehlin, I have always thought of him as Mr. Patent.Pending.  In the grand i worked on, the beam structure had laminated beams and the ...

  • Posted in: Voicing

    Needle orientation is 90° to photo, wheel bearing is inline/rolling along handle. ------------------------------ Regards, Jon Page ------------------------------

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    Oh yes, there is indeed a story. It's called "wait for your help to arrive before moving a piano across a river rock threshold". I used to move pianos all the time when I was back in Texas. The Brazos Valley is really very accommodating, mostly ...

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    In 1975 my boss paid me 1/2 his price for a tuning: 1/2 x $25 = 12.50. He contracted with two dealers and charged them $15 for a floor tuning. He paid me $5. I later prevailed on him to raise it to $7.50. Hey, George, I missed the 'convention in a castle' ...

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    RE: Mold?

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    there are a number of good web sites that have good pictures, descriptions and advice on mold including the usepa and massachusetts dep.   while some of the staining or mottling on the shanks does not look bad i see some black patch on a hammer flange ...

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    RE: Mold?

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    Wouldn't be very hard to take a sample, put it on a slide, look at it under a microscope. To know for sure. -chris ------Original Message------ This is the second piano in one month that I have seen this exact pattern of what I think is mold.  The ...

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    George, Is there a story here about a piano breaking your leg, or have you already told it many times? ------------------------------ Blaine Hebert Duarte CA 626-795-5170 ------------------------------

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    I have used a plastic compartment box from a sporting goods store for many years. I have found it very useful to glue a sheet of thin felt (name board felt) to the inside top lid to keep the punchings from migrating out of their separate compartments. ...

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    Mold?

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    This is the second piano in one month that I have seen this exact pattern of what I think is mold.  The first house, with an Asian grand was a New England antique with known moisture issues, so I did not think it too out of the ordinary. The second, this ...

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    What IS the OEM procedure? John ------Original Message------ I like to use the tool with the needles at 90° to OEM execution. I can see where to insert easier and holding the tool is more ergonomic. I fashioned a leather punching to cover the roller ...

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    Piano technicians historocally CHRONICALLY under price their services. Too many are insecure and think that all their customers will leave if they go up. I used to think that way, but I learned that if you do good work and appear and act professionally ...

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    My wife and I bought our first house 6 years ago. In that time, we've had a variety of service people come and fix things: electrician, plumber, screen door guy, bug guy, carpet guy, furnace guy.  Compared to other home service providers, I think that, ...

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    I got the bit from Grizzly tools. It's only $7. ------------------------------ 45 2020 chernobieffpiano.com 865-986-7720 ------------------------------

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    I hadn't heard of them either. German designed but built in China. Actually very nice for a console, looks like a good deal of care was put into the manufacturing process, not just the finish. Easy to service parts, too, which is an obvious plus. Here's ...

  • Posted in: Pianotech

    Plano makes a wide variety of plastic boxes with dividers. Look in the sporting good section, fishermen use them. Make sure to glue the dividers down or punchings will be sliding under the dividers. Sheffey Gregory, RPT ------Original Message------ ...

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    I've never heard of a Lothar Schell piano, but look at the back of the piano. Some manufacturers put a sticker on the back, or even stenciled the number into the wood. ------------------------------ Willem "Wim" Blees, RPT Mililani, HI 96789 ------- ...

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    Hello All, I have to service a Lothar Schell console tomorrow morning - second time seeing this piano. Last time I couldn't find the serial number in the usual place. Any ideas where it could be? For posterity's sake, where have you found serial numbers ...

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    I like to use the tool with the needles at 90° to OEM execution. I can see where to insert easier and holding the tool is more ergonomic. I fashioned a leather punching to cover the roller bearing because it was wearing on the lever. I ground the side ...

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    RE: Punching Organizer

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    I've had this tray since the '70's. The top is held together with packing tape and is secured with rubber bands to the tray. ------------------------------ Regards, Jon Page ------------------------------

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    Does anyone have an issue with the moisture distribution shield/baffle on a grand PLSS persistently not wanting to stay clipped to the mounting rods? Particularly since the change to a hanging humidifier rod is this a problem for me.  And if the mounting ...

  • Posted in: Pianotech

    I dropped a Steinway A plate on my foot and snapped my big toe back in '96.  I was more concerned about breaking the plate but it survived just fine. 6-8 weeks recovery. Will go by like a flash. Pwg ------------------------------ Peter Grey Stratham ...

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    RE: Warped keyslip

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    Long put of warranty.  80's piano. My only concern is that the amount of outward pressure on the bass side mounting screw over time might cause the little dovetail to break out. I have reduced it a little by turning it out. Just a mild concern. I had ...

  • Posted in: Pianotech

    Hi Everyone, Wow, thanks for the input! It's really interesting to see the trend in how we set our prices in comparison to what the minimum wage is at the time. Simply use Siri (or for those of you Google people, use "hey Google") and look up the minimum ...

  • Hi Bill: Call Ralph Miyashiro. He's going to Council this year, as well as attend the convention. 619 265-2495. I tried forwarding your email, but his emails bounced. Ralph is at SDSU here in San Diego. He agreed to go in my place to Council, and ...

  • I have an AirBnB within 10 minutes walking distance of the hotel, and still need a roommate.   A second bed will be available.   You may reach me at 909 796-4226 or bdshull@aol.com. Bill Shull ------------------------------ Bill Shull, RPT, M.Mus. President, ...

  • Posted in: CAUT

    Hi David, Yes, several densities are available, in different thicknesses. I have a fairly dense red felt , its specific gravity is 0.36 - 0.40. (This is the kind of felt used as understring felt) I have Crescendo felt, it is softer and more resilient, ...

  • Posted in: Pianotech

    I use one of these for BR, another for FR.  Take out some of the dividers so each size punching gets its own double-width cubby. https://akro-mils.com/Products/Types/Portable-Small-Parts-Storage/Portable-Organizers/Storage-Case-05705 ------------------------------ ...