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    Roshan Kakiya's Well Temperament C = 0.00 cents   C# = 101.96 cents     D = 200.00 cents   D# = 301.96 cents     E = 400.00 cents     F = 501.96 cents   F# = 600.00 cents    G = 701.96 cents  G# = 800.00 cents    ...

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    There we always be people who prefer the "real thing" over an imitation,....which is what synthesized piano sounds will always be. Real things are typically more varied, complex, unpredictable, and always changing, which is what makes them exciting, beautiful, ...

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    If you want to have a serious discussion about the future of music, you are in the wrong forum. This is a Piano Technician's forum which revolves around discussing the aspects of piano maintenance and construction. A group of mechanics as it were. I ...

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    There's nothing like listening to the 1812 Overture with a digital cannon. ------Original Message------ Look back to the player piano industry. The roll was punched and the editor adjusted the hole placement to account for the speed of the paper across ...

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    Look back to the player piano industry. The roll was punched and the editor adjusted the hole placement to account for the speed of the paper across the tracker bar. More paper wrappings on the take-up spool induced a greater diameter to advance of the ...

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    I just wanted to have a serious discussion about the future of music, especially tuning. ------------------------------ Roshan Kakiya ------------------------------

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    Let's not dismiss this out of hand. Take a minute to imagine a digital orchestra. Setting virtuosity aside, you could reassign the string section to ukuleles, horns to kazoos, and timpani to thunderclaps. It would give the 1812 Overture a whole new perspective. ...

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    I just got back from 3 days in ultra quiet and peaceful lake surroundings in northern Vermont. No internet, no cell phone, no messaging...Ahhhhhh...😊 So, as I see it, it doesn't really matter to me what the actual "cause" of the Weinrich effect is...it ...

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    What I'm saying is Dr Sanderson measured the Fundamental or 1st partial and detected no change in pitch.  He then changed to measure the 2nd partial and no change in pitch. He changed to the 4th partial and detected a drop in pitch. Virgil's aural check ...

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    It can't be done: You have a perfect C-G fifth. From the G you tune a perfect fourth down to D. From the C you tune a perfect fourth up to F. The D and the F are fixed, and they are -17.6 cents narrow from just. Your proposed solution to make ...

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    Whoever made this repair probably did not know how to splice but was able to firm a loop. Pwg ------------------------------ Peter Grey Stratham NH 603-686-2395 pianodoctor57@gmail.com ------------------------------

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    When are synthesized vocals going to ketch up? ------------------------------ Larry Messerly, RPT Bringing Harmony to Homes www.lacrossepianotuning.com ljmesserly@gmail.com 928-899-7292 ------------------------------

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    Direct Note Access is a program that can revolutionise music: https://www.wired.com/2008/08/major-breakthro/ ------------------------------ Roshan Kakiya ------------------------------

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    Melodyne is a product that can revolutionise music: http://www.celemony.com/en/start ------------------------------ Roshan Kakiya ------------------------------

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    Thank you for mentioning my YouTube channel. I composed my tonal pieces on an acoustic piano, memorised them and then "wrote" them note-for-note on a MIDI sequencer. I have tried to mimic the way I played them on the piano by using these techniques: ...

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    Are you using numbered musical notation? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numbered_musical_notation#Numbered_notation_described According to this system, the notes of your chord would be C-D-F-G. Is this correct? ------------------------------ Roshan ...

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    I haven't done much study into Just Intonation, but I have had this dilemma for a while: How do I tune the chord with notes 1, 2, 4, 5 so that 1 & 2, 1 & 4, 1 & 5, 2 & 4, 2 & 5, 4 & 5 are all Just ("not beating")? Is it possible? I've been able to generate ...

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    So they're $30.  Pass the charge on to the customer.  You have to charge for the labor, anyway.  It's still cheaper that a new piano. ------------------------------ Willem "Wim" Blees, RPT Mililani, HI 96789 ------------------------------

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    I did the same thing last week, and got the same $30 reply.   Two months ago, they were free.   ------------------------------ Greg Graham, RPT Brodheadsville, PA ------------------------------

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    Come on, folks, there's room for many ideas in the realm of music. Visit Roshan Kakiya on YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/user/RoshanKakiya YouTube Roshan Kakiya View ...

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    In a semi-related development Steinway & Sons ( still not Chinese) has released the Spirio R ( the R stands for record). It's available in the Model D only and the record package includes an editor similar to a stripped down version of Pro-Tools. It will ...

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    Mr.Chadwick, The wire scale shouldn't be an issue. On a model M there are #17 wires for several notes to either side of the note in question. Just take off the tied string and replace it with a conventional #17 going from the middle pin to the hitch ...

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    I suppose my only visible option would be to single string the right on the hitch at the strut and use the 2nd hitch to complete the trichord. Not what the OEM had planned but it seems to be my only solution. ------------------------------ David Chadwick ...

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    I don't see how I can complete that trichord for C#4 and be hitch pin correct for the ascending and descending wire scale. ------------------------------ David Chadwick Newark OH 740-610-6695 ------------------------------

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    David, There are only two single strings in the M scale:  D#5 Left, and G#6 Left.  What you have there is a makeshift repair of a broken string.  The center wire for C#4 should not attach to the hitch pin with a loop - it should continue around the hitch ...

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    Greetings,  The piano is a S&S "M" # 395210 (1966). I did not notice this at first but C#4 is missing one of the trichord members. The coil was left on the tuning pin for visual purposes (i think). The hitch pin field has been all strung with one ugly ...

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    <I've been following this discussion with interest.  Not so much for the ideas presented, but to see the reaction of a group being manipulated.  This group is taking the bait. Yup...troll alert. ------------------------------ Jim Ialeggio grandpianosolutions.com ...

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    Be careful if you do that. Hinges won't fit anymore. At least the long one. I guess it also depends upon how thick the plating is. We had a Steinway that tore out the screws when you opened the fly lid. The other stuff is probably not a problem. Paul ...

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    -Long Post- In answer to your question, it will take about up to 90 minutes to retune the piano, depending on the tuner. Add some extra time if it needs a pitch raise. If I understand you correctly, the basis behind your question is essentially whether ...

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    Dave,  Just take the brass parts to a plater. I've done that several times. ------------------------------ Willem "Wim" Blees, RPT Mililani, HI 96789 ------------------------------

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    I think a digital orchestra will kill the orchestra for the same reason no one goes to a player piano concert. ------Original Message------ "Why Digital Music Looks Set To Replace Live Performances": https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-digital-music-looks-set-to-replace-live-performances/ ...

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    I've been following this discussion with interest.  Not so much for the ideas presented, but to see the reaction of a group being manipulated.  This group is taking the bait.  ------------------------------ Tim Coates Sioux Falls SD -------------- ...

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    "Why Digital Music Looks Set To Replace Live Performances": https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-digital-music-looks-set-to-replace-live-performances/ "The Evolution Of Creativity - How Technology Changes Music": http://www.therealmusician.com/how-technology-changes-music.html ...

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    Anybody have nickel hardware for a Steinway grand? I need pedals, lid hinges, continuous hinge, lid lock escutcheon and pedal rods in good shape. Send me a PM if you do. Thanks!

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    Was that you playing in the Star Wars Lounge scene? ------------------------------ Regards, Jon Page ------------------------------

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    I play acoustic pianos and digital pianos. Orchestral musicians will continue putting expression into music with their musicianship. They will just be using advanced digital instruments rather than acoustic instruments if orchestras predominantly ...

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    I assume you do not play an instrument other than a digital keyboard or sampler. It takes more than changing the temperament to put expression into the music. ------------------------------ Regards, Jon Page ------------------------------

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    FYI I have some new contact information for Young Chang action bracket replacements, following a recent search process.  Young Chang has a new US distributor as of 2017: "PAL SOUND, 14115 Pontlavoy Ave,Santa Fe Springs, CA 90670" After contacting them ...

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    Most of these things can be tested. You can download Scala from here: http://huygens-fokker.org/scala/downloads.html Scala already has a collection of tunings that can be downloaded from here: http://huygens-fokker.org/docs/scales.zip I have provided ...

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    Digital pianos can mimic the sound of acoustic pianos. They can have weighted keys which respond to pressure. The precise use of 12-tone equal temperament could be making digital music sound stale. This is because the value of each semitone is likely ...

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    Can you imagine Beethoven's string quartet Opus 132 played digitally? Much of that music is hearing the souls of the musicians grappling with and coming through the instruments. It's physical and tangible; you can feel it. That said, who knows what forms ...

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    Another important aspect is presence. Much the same as complaints about a player piano being too loud. Even if it's playing softly, it has presence in the room. It can't be dialed back to blend into the wallpaper. So I suppose digitally produced music ...

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    Thank you Jon, your wonderful response is the in depth version of “No”! Sent from my iPhone ------Original Message------ An all digital instrument performance will work if your goal is solely with the mechanics of the music rather than the art. Listening ...

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    What Virgil Smith pointed out is know as the Weinrich Effect. Yes, tuning a unison will cause the pitch to drop slightly if it was flat before; that's just part of tuning. What the Weinrich Effect says is that a unison that's already tuned has a different ...

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    An all digital instrument performance will work if your goal is solely with the mechanics of the music rather than the art. Listening to digitally generated music drives me crazy due to the overwhelming lack of nuance. The absence of overtones of the ...

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    The drop in pitch of coupled strings has been studied exhaustively in acoustics. Jim Ellis' article in tho September 1982 PTJournal communicates the principles in images we can understand. If the bridge did not move, we would hear no sound. The bridge ...

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    I think digital instruments could solve many tuning problems though. For example, I have been retuning MIDI files with a program called Scala. I have created a practical just/pure intonation that makes all keys usable by using 19-limit, 17-limit and 3-limit ...

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    It's Saturday morning, I'm sitting here in a quiet house slamming down coffee. What the heck, why not opine on the subject of digital instruments? Here's my observation on musical trends in general: They're trends. If you look back at the totality of ...

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    Maybe I'm not visualizing what you're saying, Keith, but it seems to me you have it backwards. The important takeaway from Virgil and Dr. Sanderson is that as you tune the unison, the pitch drops every so slightly. That's why it's important to tune the ...

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    I sat next to Dr Sanderson while watching Virgil tune. Dr Sandersan was supposed to scientifically verify the claim that 2 strings played together are slightly flat compared to one string, Virgil tuned the two wires. Played separately they were exactly ...