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  • 1.  Lend me a chemist ( I don't really need a tenor)

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 11-04-2017 20:17
    Calling all chemists. I was wondering if anyone could tell me why adding de-natured alcohol to V.S. Profelt results in a substantial temperature rise in the resulting solution. It doesn't get hot enough to make holding the bottle uncomfortable but it sure scared the bejeebers out of me. After it didn't explode for half an hour or so I went ahead and used it to size some guide rail bushings. I was just wondering if someone with a background in the hard sciences might have an answer.

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    Karl Roeder
    Pompano Beach FL
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  • 2.  RE: Lend me a chemist ( I don't really need a tenor)

    Posted 11-04-2017 22:24
    As a starting point, you would have to know the chemical makeup of the profelt.





  • 3.  RE: Lend me a chemist ( I don't really need a tenor)

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 11-05-2017 09:50
    I haven't experienced a temperature change. I probably
    don't use enough to generate a significant reaction,
    but will watch for this next time I use Profelt. 
    However, I have noticed that with alcohol, the bushings
    will sometimes come loose. I typically add a few drops
    per ounce of Profelt to lower surface tension in order
    to reduce beading and help it to wick into the bushings.
    It doesn't always happen, and I have not been able to
    determine the difference when it does, i.e. whether
    the composition of the glue is that much different. 
    I am not aware that alcohol alone will soften glue,
    but am going to pursue this as a test on my own.


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    Dave Conte
    Owner
    North Richland Hills TX
    817-581-7321
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  • 4.  RE: Lend me a chemist ( I don't really need a tenor)

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 11-06-2017 02:00
    Though my chemistry grades would prove that I am not a chemist I do recall that almost any mixture produces a temperature reaction, some exothermic, some endothermic (temperature goes up or down).  Just adding alcohol to water causes some warming:

    https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/exothermic-mixing-of-liquids.691680/

    What this means is that you have to be careful when mixing any chemicals!

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    Blaine Hebert
    Duarte CA
    626-795-5170
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  • 5.  RE: Lend me a chemist ( I don't really need a tenor)

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 11-06-2017 02:32
    From high school chemistry, you add the acid to the water, not the water to the acid ...

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    Susan Kline
    Philomath, Oregon
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