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  • 1.  missing tuning pin

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 10-22-2014 22:12
    This is a new one to me.  Looking at the coils I don't expect to find that quality work has been done on this piano previously. But any ideas why someone would completely remove the tuning pin?



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    Brandon Robertson
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  • 2.  RE: missing tuning pin

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 10-22-2014 22:25
    Just looking at the picture you sent, various pins have "improper" coils on the pins from either strings breaking at the pins and "peter-pauled" the string to keep from replacing it completely and some with four and five coils, and with beckets sticking out the other side of the pins.
     
    What was done on the other end of the string where the tuning pin is missing?  Was it tied?
     
    It looks to me like a "tuunner" that needs some education (unless the piano is in some place like New York City where tuners only carry their tools unless they know ahead of time there will be repairs needed).
     
    Ken Gerler
     
     
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    Brandon Robertson
    This is a new one to me.  Looking at the coils I don't expect to find that quality work has been done on this piano previously. But any ideas why someone would completely remove the tuning pin?



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  • 3.  RE: missing tuning pin

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 10-23-2014 10:49
    Ken,

    Observe the front tuning pin on the next unison. There was no peter-paul here. The string
    was simply pulled out. My guess, for what it can be worth without any testing or more information,
    is that the tuning pin was too loose in the hole to deal with.

    Dave Conte
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    Fort Worth TX
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  • 4.  RE: missing tuning pin

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 10-23-2014 21:05
    Ken,

    Even in a busted up place like NYC, that's not considered acceptable work!

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  • 5.  RE: missing tuning pin

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 10-23-2014 21:48
    Hi Ken -
    I was wondering how your concept of a NYC piano tuner might have evolved,  so I looked to see where you are located.  You're off the hook, as far as I'm concerned.  Good luck.

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    David Skolnik
    Hastings-on-Hudson NY
    914-231-7565
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  • 6.  RE: missing tuning pin

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 10-22-2014 22:46
    I don't know why the pin was removed, but the string that is supposed to be attached to that pin is also missing from the first pin on the next note. So you can assume the string broke and the tuner didn't replace it. But that still doesn't answer the question why the pin was taken out. 

    Just replace it and put on a new string. 

    (Maybe that's why the customer called you in the first place. The last tuner didn't do a very good job.) 

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  • 7.  RE: missing tuning pin

    Posted 10-24-2014 03:06
    Just a thought . . . maybe the pin was removed in order to measure it for replacement as the tuner didn't have a ruler or a micrometer with him...?  Michael (UK

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  • 8.  RE: missing tuning pin

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 10-23-2014 10:24

    Maybe he needed it for an art project...:)

    Actually, if he was a novice/shade tree tech he might have removed the pin after breaking the string because he incorrectly thought that step was required for replacement...only to discover he was in over his head.

    But your guess is as good as mine. I continually find myself shaking my head in bewilderment at some of the hack "repairs" I encounter.

    Tim






  • 9.  RE: missing tuning pin

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 10-23-2014 13:29
    There was a lot of rust on the strings and It looked like they had been replaced in a few sections, about 10 notes at a time.  I can imagine that they just started breaking one after the other during a tuning. Here's my most optimistic guess: Maybe the tech who worked on it before me had to do it all very last minute and was in the middle of fixing things when he was asked to stop. Not that it explains coils that sloppy, but still... 

    In my case they had called me for an "emergency" tuning. I got there at 3:30 for a 6pm performance and the performers started trickling in almost immediately after I arrived. While tuning I found G3 was blocking dead against the strings...I jumped to fixing that as soon as I realized it. It was a loose jack tender (thank you CA glue). I put the action back in while the room got noisier (two college choirs). By the time I had the lower and middle sections tuned up to about C5 they started doing soundchecks.  The sound guy from time to time asked me to lay out and then at some point I realized it was more of a rehearsal than a soundcheck and I had been sitting around waiting for a long time.

    In retrospect I am taking this as a lesson in communication--there are so many questions I could have asked both before accepting the job and also while I was there that could have helped me better serve them. I kept thinking it was just a soundcheck and they would be done any minute and then I could hurry up and finish. However, 5 minutes became 10 which ultimately became about an hour.  I had more than enough time to go to my truck to get my stringing kit, do the repair, make some extra money, and remedy the situation for good during the time I waited on them to finish "soundchecks".

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    Brandon Robertson
    Gardendale AL
    205-612-5544
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